Why is Canada such a mess in so many ways?

[blackbird]

I have a Canadian acquaintance who works in China.  He reports:

"No homeless, no druggies, nobody trying to sell you things on the streets, no beggars, no pot smells, no ladies offering their love for money in sight, no drugs in schools, no loved ones overdosed. I got blood pressure medication at the pharmacy in minutes without prescription (modern medicine individually sealed). If only people realized how bad they have it in Canada."

So why are the things he mentioned so bad in Canada and not in China?  Is the problem the kind of governments Canadians elect and what is taught in schools?  Should we be doing things different.  It would seem that if we wanted to eliminate all the problems he listed, it would take a massive change in thinking and type of government.

It is a fact that many of our liberal of left-leaning politicians believe that freedom must include the freedom to be homeless, be druggies, prostitutes, drugs in schools, support sexual orientation/gender change ideology,  LGBTQ+2s rights (whatever that is), take drugs on streets or anywhere, and freedom to live in a country with a failing health care system.

Edited Sunday at 02:58 PM by blackbird

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

So why are the things he mentioned so bad in Canada and not in China?

We don't live in a communist dictatorship/police state.

Ironic don't you think?

[Shady]

Canada is in such bad shape because we’ve had a government in office for over a decade that’s pursued terrible policies that have made things worse for everyone except for the very wealthy.

[blackbird]

18 minutes ago, eyeball said:

We don't live in a communist dictatorship/police state.

Ironic don't you think?

Is it not possible to have a good society with law and order without a communist dictatorship?

[Legato]

48 minutes ago, eyeball said:

We don't live in a communist dictatorship/police state.

Ironic don't you think?

 

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

I have a Canadian acquaintance who works in China.  He reports:

"No homeless, no druggies, nobody trying to sell you things on the streets, no beggars, no pot smells, no ladies offering their love for money in sight, no drugs in schools, no loved ones overdosed. I got blood pressure medication at the pharmacy in minutes without prescription (modern medicine individually sealed). If only people realized how bad they have it in Canada."

So why are the things he mentioned so bad in Canada and not in China?  Is the problem the kind of governments Canadians elect and what is taught in schools?  Should we be doing things different.  It would seem that if we wanted to eliminate all the problems he listed, it would take a massive change in thinking and type of government.

It is a fact that many of our liberal of left-leaning politicians believe that freedom must include the freedom to be homeless, be druggies, prostitutes, drugs in schools, support sexual orientation/gender change ideology,  LGBTQ+2s rights (whatever that is), take drugs on streets or anywhere, and freedom to live in a country with a failing health care system.

You think this isn't happening in other western countries?

[blackbird]

52 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You think this isn't happening in other western countries?

 But why?  It got much worse in Canada I think in the past ten years.  I don't recall housing being so expensive and don't recall tent cities in Canada, all the addicted people and drug deaths, and all the criminals being arrested and immediately released.  I am not sure it is this bad in other western countries.

[Aristides]

21 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 But why?  It got much worse in Canada I think in the past ten years.  I don't recall housing being so expensive and don't recall tent cities in Canada, all the addicted people and drug deaths, and all the criminals being arrested and immediately released.  I am not sure it is this bad in other western countries.

I think it has got worse everywhere. I don't dispute that our justice system has issues but the fentanyl plague has changed everything when it comes to drug deaths. Per capita, the US is as bad or worse than Canada when it comes to opioid deaths even though they have the highest incarceration rate in the world. I'm not sure what the answer is.

[ExFlyer]

Why is Canada such a mess in so many ways?

Because conservatives have done nothing to help make it better.  Since Harper lost, the cons have had no ideas and have done nothing to make Canada any better. Polievere has done nothing but vote against anything and his groupies think it was and is OK.

LOSERS...every one of them

[Legato]

45 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Why is Canada such a mess in so many ways?

Because conservatives have done nothing to help make it better.  Since Harper lost, the cons have had no ideas and have done nothing to make Canada any better. Polievere has done nothing but vote against anything and his groupies think it was and is OK.

LOSERS...every one of them

Take a look at your sig.

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

Is it not possible to have a good society with law and order without a communist dictatorship?

I don't see why not but you'd probably have to force everyone to be a religious conservative or something.

But if that implies it's socialists who fùck everything up how is it China can maintain such a law and order paradise?

[herbie]

You are living in a country with more freedom, wealth ad opportunity than anyone who who ever lived before you, even if you are a brown person or new immigrant, which none of you are. Yet you carry on that it is a broken mess and everything is horrible.
You f*cking ingrates!

It is not the Liberals fault you are unable to improve your own lot and believe that fixing things means tearing them down and taking away opportunities from someone else. That's your own failing.
Take the opportunity to educate yourself on basic political policy so you too do not end up utterly condemning communism and then praising some of it's end results while actually believing conservative policy would achieve those same things. Remember only a few ears ago you were condemning Justin for praising China's ability to do quickly the very thing you're now waving about as an accomplishment.
Hypocritical ingrates.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

Take a look at your sig.

Hit ya where it hurts EH?   LOL

[Moonlight Graham]

8 hours ago, blackbird said:

I have a Canadian acquaintance who works in China.  He reports:

"No homeless, no druggies, nobody trying to sell you things on the streets, no beggars, no pot smells, no ladies offering their love for money in sight, no drugs in schools, no loved ones overdosed.

No freedom, no human rights.

I call BS.  These people are somewhere, just maybe maybe scooted away out of sight.  Like the stories of Chinese authorities euthanizing all of the stray dogs roaming the streets before the Beijing Olympics.

China has drugs, sex work, beggars, homeless etc.  They also have much more poverty per capita than we do.

[Moonlight Graham]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Why is Canada such a mess in so many ways?

Because conservatives have done nothing to help make it better.  Since Harper lost, the cons have had no ideas and have done nothing to make Canada any better. Polievere has done nothing but vote against anything and his groupies think it was and is OK.

LOSERS...every one of them

How can it be the fault of people who have zero governing power the last 10 years.

Granted the CPC could improve the ideas they bring forward so that enough people will vote for them in order to win, but the buck stops with the Liberals.

[blackbird]

37 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

No freedom, no human rights.

Correct.  There is no such thing as freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc. in China.. If you just bow to the state's wishes, they won't bother you.  The Communist Party runs everything and expects everyone to do as they say.  If you step out of line, you could go to prison.  There is no such thing as a Bill of Rights or Charter of Rights and the judicial system does not provide much protection against the state if they go after you.  If they charge you the default is guilty.  

By the same token they do not allow everything that is allowed here, like open drug use or any illegal drug use or selling of drugs.  Possession for sale of over 50 mg of certain drugs could mean the death penalty.

37 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

China has drugs, sex work, beggars, homeless etc. 

All I can tell you is what I told you from an eye witness who has worked in China off and on for years I believe.  He also travels around to other cities and observes the population.   He said plainly there is no homeless, no druggies, nobody trying to sell you things on the streets, no beggars, no pot smells, no ladies offering their love for money in sight, no drugs in schools, no loved ones overdosed.  Your claim doesn't make sense.  China simply does not allow that kind of stuff to go on.  You don't oppose what the authorities tell you because they don't fool around.

Edited Sunday at 11:39 PM by blackbird

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I don't see why not but you'd probably have to force everyone to be a religious conservative or something.

No, law and order does not mean anybody has to be religious or conservative.  It simply means having strict laws against all the bad things going on and enforcing it.  It means not having liberal rights for criminals, easy bail and easy parole, light sentences.  It means one doesn't get a 3, 5, or 7 year sentence for drunk driving and killing someone but they would get real time in prison like 20 years or more.  

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

but the fentanyl plague has changed everything when it comes to drug deaths.

Yes, because the legal system in Canada is a joke.  Very light sentences.  Anybody caught drug dealing in China with more than 50 mg of certain drugs could get the death penalty.  Perhaps if we had serious penalties for drug dealers, there would be a lot less fentanyl deaths.

Fentanyl deaths are not a plague that just goes around by itself.  It is caused by drug use that has no punishment and dealers that don't get serious penalties if caught.

Edited Sunday at 11:51 PM by blackbird

[Politics1990]

billions on  programs like dental which alot of people cant even get into  and   child benefit payments to people who  don't even work part time or seasonal  are starters programs need to be revamped to where you must work so much  hours to qualify or something i literally know people who collect child benefit and refuse 2 go work even part time  

[Aristides]

31 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Yes, because the legal system in Canada is a joke.  Very light sentences.  Anybody caught drug dealing in China with more than 50 mg of certain drugs could get the death penalty.  Perhaps if we had serious penalties for drug dealers, there would be a lot less fentanyl deaths.

Fentanyl deaths are not a plague that just goes around by itself.  It is caused by drug use that has no punishment and dealers that don't get serious penalties if caught.

Explain the US then where punishments are quite severe.

[PIK]

Post national state?

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

Explain the US then where punishments are quite severe.

I am talking about our country.   I did a search and am unable to find the reasons why the situation is bad in the U.S.  The U.S. has a far bigger population and crime rate.   However, that is not the subject in this OP.  We're talking about Canada.

Since you bring up the U.S., why don't you do some research yourself and tell me why?  

Fix the problems in Canada before worrying about other countries.  What is happening in other countries is no excuse to let the disaster continue in Canada.

Edited Monday at 02:39 AM by blackbird

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

I am talking about our country.   I did a search and am unable to find the reasons why the situation is bad in the U.S.  The U.S. has a far bigger population and crime rate.   However, that is not the subject in this OP.  We're talking about Canada.

Since you bring up the U.S., why don't you do some research yourself and tell me why?  

Fix the problems in Canada before worrying about other countries.  What is happening in other countries is no excuse to let the disaster continue in Canada.

I'm just saying we aren't unique when it comes to drug overdoses. We had over 8000 overdose deaths last year, they had 70,000. About the same per capita.

Edited Monday at 03:14 AM by Aristides

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

No...It simply means having strict laws against all the bad things going on and enforcing it.

Well, it sure sounds like you've embraced China's basic dictatorship.

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Fix the problems in Canada before worrying about other countries.  What is happening in other countries is no excuse to let the disaster continue in Canada.

You appear to be suggesting we should do whatever it is China is doing to fix our problems.

Did you know China's prosecutors enjoy a 99% success rate in convictions?

You would definitely need to scrap or amend our Charter of Rights and Freedoms to the point it was almost the opposite of what it is.

 

 

[Moonlight Graham]

China and East Asia have a different culture.  They tend to respect authority and elders more, value traditions, and are less violent.  They have low divorce rates, and value education.  Westerners are more independent, rebellious, and hedonistic.  Since the 1960's Americans have embraced what used to be deemed as "sins", like sex, drugs, divorce etc

There's still lots of poverty of China, but not a lot of violent crime.  They don't have the gun culture like the US.  I imagine the Chinese respect and fear the police and government far more than we do, they have an Orwellian totalitarian state and demand compliance.