PM Carney's chant of stop the war in Gaza is saying let Hamas carry on its attacks on Israel

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, User said:

When you feel like actually responding to something I have said, let me know.

Ok. Try something other than asking what simple terms like oppression or subjugation mean.

10 minutes ago, User said:

Not interested in your fantasy BS you make up to argue against.

I haven't said anything that can't  be corroborated. You haven't said anything than can - you haven't even tried.

[User]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Ok. Try something other than asking what simple terms like oppression or subjugation mean.

Sigh. This is the problem with you trying to re-discuss an already-had discussion dishonestly. I never asked what those simple terms mean. 

14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I haven't said anything that can't  be corroborated. You haven't said anything than can - you haven't even tried.

Blah Blah blah, more vague generalities. 

 

[eyeball]

28 minutes ago, User said:

Sigh. This is the problem with you trying to re-discuss an already-had discussion dishonestly. I never asked what those simple terms mean.

You don't recall ever asking me, what oppression or what subjugation in the context of our discussions?

28 minutes ago, User said:

Blah Blah blah, more vague generalities.

No, this is you playing your ignorance game.

[User]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You don't recall ever asking me, what oppression or what subjugation in the context of our discussions?

That is not what you accused me of. 

Asking you to show what oppression or subjugation you are accusing Israel of is not asking you to define simple terms. 

Stop being so dishonest. 

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, this is you playing your ignorance game.

Ignorance of what? Your vague, hasty generalizations? If you are trying to come up with the absolute most moronic crap to say, it is working. 

 

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, User said:

That is not what you accused me of.

Ah so you're just a denialist - you treat the relationship between Palestinians and Zionists the very same way taxme treats the relationship between Jews and Nazis where nothing untoward or mean happened at all - Israel was created in a benign friendly atmosphere of rainbows and lollipops where Palestinians greeted Zionists with flowers and kisses.

If you could only get a letter from someone with the gravitas of Einstein like I did to corroborate your view you might something.

3 hours ago, User said:

Asking you to show what oppression or subjugation you are accusing Israel of is not asking you to define simple terms. 

Well let me clear it up for you, I'm taking about the same oppression and subjugation Einstein witnessed, protested and spoke up about.

You're saying Einstein was an anti-Semite who cheered the rape and murder of innocent Jews the way you say I do? 10$ say Einstein would tell you to fùck off for the same reason.

Am I to believe that not a single thing has been written by Israel that responds to, explains or denied what Einstein wrote?

Anything that might corroborate why Einstein shouldn't have protested what he saw?

Edited Friday at 12:05 AM by eyeball

[User]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Ah so you're just a denialist

... and nothing you just said had anything to do with anything at this moment. 

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Well let me clear it up for you

You didn't clear anything up at all. All that typing and still nothing specific about Israel. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, User said:

... and nothing you just said had anything to do with anything at this moment. 

You didn't clear anything up at all. All that typing and still nothing specific about Israel. 

Its definitely about this moment because its specific to you. You're a dishonest poster who can't come clean about what informs your position any better than you can come up with anything to corroborate it - racism perhaps but more likely it's just the issues you have with the left.

I'm giving you a benefit of doubt again here btw but barely.

[User]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Its definitely about this moment because its specific to you. You're a dishonest poster who can't come clean about what informs your position any better than you can come up with anything to corroborate it - racism perhaps but more likely it's just the issues you have with the left.

I'm giving you a benefit of doubt again here btw but barely.

More vague nonsense. Let me know when you have something specific. 

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, User said:

More vague nonsense. Let me know when you have something specific. 

Ditto.

[eyeball]

On 6/4/2025 at 11:08 AM, Army Guy said:

And what do you think a peace keeping force would be able to do , that the IDF has not been able to do...Thats the craziest idea you've had so far...

Prevent attacks by being on the job. There's no excuse for the ease with which the attack on Oct 7 unfolded.

On 6/4/2025 at 11:08 AM, Army Guy said:

Giving Hamas another target for it's terrorist activities is all that will accomplish, it will end up sending more body bags home to western nations in payment for what exactly...

Reparations for not living up to our responsibility to protect Palestinians from being attacked and displaced, for helping to create this mess in the first place and not stepping in sooner to put an end to hostilities.

On 6/4/2025 at 11:08 AM, Army Guy said:

You forget these groups are listed as terrorist groups, what does that mean to you...

That they're recognized as being terrorists. BTW can you recall hearing the name Irgun?

 

On 6/4/2025 at 11:08 AM, Army Guy said:

Iran and Qatar are giving protection to Hamas upper chain of command, these are sovereign nations, you just can't go in there and capture or kill them...

Get Ukraine on the case. They seem to know how to go on the offense.

[Venandi]

8 hours ago, User said:

More vague nonsense. Let me know when you have something specific. 

Ya, that's how I see most of it too.

Some of it's interesting from a historical and clinical perspective (I guess) but that's about it.

At the end of the day you're inevitably left with the here and now and withinin that realm, HAMAS is lock wired into ideologically driven religious objectives and those objectives  are most definitely NOT political ones.

Political objectives can be negotiated and compromises are possible, those efforts can even happen peacefully. On the other hand, the religious objectives of HAMAS simply can't be negotiated because only the destruction of Israel and rebuilding on the rubble will suffice and I don't see that happening.

Do you? Does anyone here? 11 pages in and the real issue remains unaddressed.

I've spent a fair bit of time there training and on multiple deployments and I always ask people with strong opinions and little experience in the area the same question.... If you do not support the eradication of HAMAS as a functioning entity, how do you propose to negotiate with them?

You either eradicate HAMAS or you negotiate with them and I see the latter option as analogous to the abusive and psychotic ex-husband of your current fiancé who just got out of prison for attempted murder... he has repeatedly vowed to be successful on the next attempt.    

So.... if y'all got a plan to negotiate with this guy then bring it forward, your Nobel Peace Prize awaits. IMO, anything else, no matter how historically accurate or entertaining is truly:

8 hours ago, User said:

...vague nonsense

Full marks for entertainment value and historical context, especially the emotionally charged stuff, unfortunately though, stark reality renders it just as academic as the childhood abuses your girl's ex endured 50 years ago. You may sympathize with his history and stolen childhood, but he gets out of jail next week... and sympathy is found in the dictionary somewhere between sh%t and syphilis.

Best of luck.

 

Edited Friday at 10:43 AM by Venandi

[Army Guy]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

Prevent attacks by being on the job. There's no excuse for the ease with which the attack on Oct 7 unfolded.

Reparations for not living up to our responsibility to protect Palestinians from being attacked and displaced, for helping to create this mess in the first place and not stepping in sooner to put an end to hostilities.

That they're recognized as being terrorists. BTW can you recall hearing the name Irgun?

 

Get Ukraine on the case. They seem to know how to go on the offense.

That's not what UN peacekeepers do....they observe and report, or sit and watch they do not prevent any attacks

Oct 7 was a total c0ck up by Israelis defence department....Palestinian terrorist took advantage of the lack of security or they would still be picking up pieces of terrorist along the fence line...

Here we go,reparations for what exactly why is it Canada's responsibility to protect palestinians, we had very little role to play in the palestinians condition...stop them with what exactly the Palestinians are better armed than we are, pull your head out of the sand....everyone of these palestinians terrorist groups need to be destroyed....if anything we should be sending our military in there to help Israel defend its country...

Yes i do, they don't exist today, do they ? and yet a terrorist group has been in charge of gaza and west bank for more than 50 years....palestinians keep electing them over and over again,they don't want peace they want to destroy israel they live and breath that sh!t...this will stop when all the terrorists are destroyed. or Israel is destroyed...

You have no idea what your talking about....what sh!t storm do you think that would cause in the middle east..and if that was the case US spec forces could end this over night....but then what would you have to complain about then...

[WestCanMan]

On 6/2/2025 at 1:24 PM, Moonbox said:

Israel's to blame for what Israel has done.  

Hamas is to blame for what Hamas has done. 

Neither are innocent. 

What about this are you finding so complicated?  

The genesis of this whole war is 6-8 muslim nations descending on Israel, on day 1 of their existence, to carry out the exact same type of genocide that the Pakistanis unleashed on Hindus and Sikhs 8 months earlier, when Pakistan was created through the same type of partitioning as Israel was. 

All those countries saw Pakistan get away with a genocide in the millions, completely purging the land of religious minorities, and they all forgave Pakistan instantly.

The whole theory that any of the muslims who scream about injustices in that region are concerned for "the safety and the lives of women and children" is total BS. Not even one islamic hamas supporter on this planet cares about the deaths of women and children, all they care about is their religion. 

I can promise you that if 10M people die, but they're all Jews, and Palestinians get to occupy every inch of Israel, the muslim hamas supporters will be happy as clams.

I can promise you that if everyone who is currently alive in Israel and Palestine now lives out their full life cycle, but the borders don't change, the muslim hamas supporters will be plotting death and terrorist attacks forever. 

[CdnFox]

20 hours ago, eyeball said:

Prevent attacks by being on the job. There's no excuse for the ease with which the attack on Oct 7 unfolded.

Reparations for not living up to our responsibility to protect Palestinians from being attacked and displaced, for helping to create this mess in the first place and not stepping in sooner to put an end to hostilities.

That they're recognized as being terrorists. BTW can you recall hearing the name Irgun?

 

Get Ukraine on the case. They seem to know how to go on the offense.

The only 'repartitions' owed to the Palestinians is a bullet. 

They're the ones who owe the debt.  And it may wind up having cost them their chance at their own country.  Even if israel left tomorrow gaza is devastated and barely able to sustain life. And i doubt the israelis will leave, they'll maintain control over that region for ages to make sure this doesn't happen again. 

That was the CHOICE gaza made. They will get what they have chosen. 

[Moonlight Graham]

On 6/4/2025 at 1:53 PM, eyeball said:

Yup. What's that got to do with Palestinians that Zionisits had been terrorizing and killing for years, along with the British forces who had the responsibility to prevent these attacks against Palestinians?

Your problem is that the words Palestinian, terrorist, Muslim, jihadist, Arab, Hamas are always synonymous, malleable and interchangeable with you people. It's a mugs game.

That's not true.  Not all Palestinians support terrorism against Israel, but most do.  And they elected Hamas too after all.  Hamas isn't just "a few bad apples" like al Qaeda, they have popular support.  We'll see if that remains after Oct 7 given it has backfired on Gaza terribly.

Edited Saturday at 07:07 AM by Moonlight Graham

[Moonlight Graham]

On 6/5/2025 at 11:50 PM, eyeball said:

Reparations for not living up to our responsibility to protect Palestinians from being attacked and displaced, for helping to create this mess in the first place and not stepping in sooner to put an end to hostilities.

😂

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

And they elected Hamas too after all.

LMAO!

Gosh, I wish our electorate could have as much sway over our rulers as those lucky Palestinians.

Yup, a new Shining Beacon for democracy if there ever was one.

[Moonbox]

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

And they elected Hamas too after all. 

The idea that Hamas was legitimately elected is just as silly as your idea that European Jews are somehow more "indigenous" to the area than the other Semitic people who've lived in the area for thousands of years.  

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

LMAO!

Gosh, I wish our electorate could have as much sway over our rulers as those lucky Palestinians.

Yup, a new Shining Beacon for democracy if there ever was one.

We do. That's why they need to have people like you out there 24 7 telling everyone you can tax the world back to good climate, borrowing money is great and fun for the whole family, and that elections are stupid and conservatives shouldn't even bother showing up ,  

[User]

4 hours ago, Moonbox said:

The idea that Hamas was legitimately elected is just as silly as your idea that European Jews are somehow more "indigenous" to the area than the other Semitic people who've lived in the area for thousands of years.  

What exactly is your point here?

By any/all measures of public support over the years Hamas enjoys a plurality of support and their popularity goes up when they are attack Israelis. 

The people of Gaza sure are not resisting their rule all that much, and if you argue that Hamas is so bad that they control the people of Gaza... do you support Israel destroying them then?

 

[Army Guy]

6 hours ago, Moonbox said:

The idea that Hamas was legitimately elected is just as silly as your idea that European Jews are somehow more "indigenous" to the area than the other Semitic people who've lived in the area for thousands of years.  

Are you saying they were not somehow elected ? or they just took power under the guise of an election...

I did not know there was two or more classes of jews, as far as i know on their passports it says citizen of Israel, 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Are you saying they were not somehow elected ? or they just took power under the guise of an election..

It's what you're saying that's at issue here.

The weight and legitimacy you're attributing to a dubious election victory 20 years ago sounds desperate - you're definitely scraping the bottom of the excuse barrel.

[Moonlight Graham]

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

LMAO!

Gosh, I wish our electorate could have as much sway over our rulers as those lucky Palestinians.

Yup, a new Shining Beacon for democracy if there ever was one.

They voted for them.  Hamas is their problem now.  You have to be pretty dumb to elect far-right religious extremist terrorist for your government.  But it's all Canada's fault LOL.

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

They voted for them.  Hamas is their problem now.  You have to be pretty dumb to elect far-right religious extremist terrorist for your government.  But it's all Canada's fault LOL.

This is the running theme that gets really old with him. 

Every excuse in the world for hamas. And for the people of gaza who put them in power and kept them there. And every reason to hate and condemn israel, without any consideration.  All while claiming something close to neutrality. 

He doesn't see the problem with the people of gaza supporting a political group who literally has "destruction of israel' as a platform plank. And why 

Then it's "everyone is responsible for what they did" immediately by "gaza was forced to vote hamas, and hamas was forced to attack israel because 1948 and israel bad so its not their fault. 

At the end of the day, hamas, with the support of the majority of the people of gaza, decided to start a war in the most horrific fashion and that decision is 100 percent their choice, nothing that happened before then forced them to and they absolutely had the choice to pursue peaceful coexistence if they wanted.  They were not 'defending their land against invaders', or any of that nonsense. 

They did so hoping that when israel retaliated that the world would step in and stop them once pictures of dead kids hit the papers, as had always happened in the past, and then hamas could get major cocessions with the UN as had happened previously 

 But they badly misjudged the reaction to the violence of their crimes and the world let israel off it's leash. 

Now they pay the price and they earned it. 

Too bad they didn't choose to look for a peaceful way to live together. 

 

[Moonbox]

14 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Are you saying they were not somehow elected ? or they just took power under the guise of an election...

I'm saying that over half of Gaza's population wasn't even born yet the last time there was an election, and that only 44% of those who were voted for Hamas at the time.  A large portion of that vote was a vote for "change" against the PLA's long-entrenched leaders, and murdering their opposition, brutal repression and 20 years of dictatorship weren't part of Hamas' 2006 campaign pitch.  

15 hours ago, Army Guy said:

I did not know there was two or more classes of jews, as far as i know on their passports it says citizen of Israel, 

 What are you even talking about?  Who said anything, anywhere, about classes of Jews?