PM Carney's chant of stop the war in Gaza is saying let Hamas carry on its attacks on Israel

[eyeball]

13 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Palestine's Arab neighbours all attacked Israel in 1948.  They lost.

Yup. What's that got to do with Palestinians that Zionisits had been terrorizing and killing for years, along with the British forces who had the responsibility to prevent these attacks against Palestinians?

Your problem is that the words Palestinian, terrorist, Muslim, jihadist, Arab, Hamas are always synonymous, malleable and interchangeable with you people. It's a mugs game.

You treat history the same way...like it was a conspiracy map fashioned from pins and string. Hold your thumb up to it in the right light and it's all perfectly legal.

You muddy the waters to make them seem deep.

 

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Stop posting bullshit , nobody is starving in Gaza....thats the media trying to sell stories....when reality is much different on the ground...

Do you have any evidence of journalists on the ground, along with NGO's and CEOs in distant corporate boardrooms working in unison to fabricate these stories for profit?

You're insane. 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yup. What's that got to do with Palestinians that Zionisits had been terrorizing and killing for years, along with the British forces who had the responsibility to prevent these attacks against Palestinians?

Your problem is that the words Palestinian, terrorist, Muslim, jihadist, Arab, Hamas are always synonymous, malleable and interchangeable with you people. It's a mugs game.

You treat history the same way...like it was a conspiracy map fashioned from pins and string. Hold your thumb up to it in the right light and it's all perfectly legal.

 

You're no different. You're the one who wants to try and blame decisions made today on 1948.

Your problem is that you support the terrorists but you know that it's not considered to be acceptable to do that so you dance around it every human way you can an offer nothing but support while claiming not to support them. To you the only bad guys here are israel and apparently Canada, and anything that the Palestinians did wrong they were forced to do because 1948.

There is no mitigating Factor here. Hamas and Gaza made its choice on oct 7 and continues to this day to make its choices, refusing to surrender and still firing rockets at israel and holding hostages, and still hiding behind the population 

These people slaughtered innocent civilians in a horrific fashion, allowed their own people to be targeted in response by hiding behind them, steal their own people's food and refuse to put an end to the war that they started. And you support all of this because 1948

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Do you have any evidence of journalists on the ground, along with NGO's and CEOs in distant corporate boardrooms working in unison to fabricate these stories for profit?

You're insane. 

Who's shooting whom near Rafah's aid center, and who's exploiting the bloodshed | The Times of Israel

Gaza aid group denies reports of Israeli fire near food site

Statement on Media Misinformation on Gaza - U.S. Embassy in Israel

Reckless and irresponsible reporting by major U.S. news outlets are contributing to the antisemitic climate that has resulted in the murder of two young people at an Israeli Embassy event in Washington last month and the attempted murder and terror attack on a group of pro-Israel demonstrators in Colorado on Sunday.

Without verification of any source other than Hamas and its collaborators, the New York Times, CNN, and Associated Press reported that a number of people seeking to receive humanitarian food boxes from the Gaza Humanitarian Fund were shot or killed by the Israeli Defense Forces.  These reports were FALSE.  Drone video and first-hand accounts clearly showed that there were no injuries, no fatalities, no shooting, no chaos.  It is Hamas that continues to terrorize and intimidate those who seek food aid

 

Sigh. Yes, there's proof. 

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You're insane. 

You misspelled "correct"

[Moonbox]

13 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Peace will happen when Palestinian governments and jihadist groups supported by their governments stop attacking Israel and finally want a 2-state solution in good faith, which they've NEVER wanted.

You can say the exact same thing about Israel, particularly about Netanyahu and his Likud Party, who've done basically everything they could to obstruct peace negotiations (including campaigning for the death of the last Israeli Prime Minister who actually was negotiating in good faith with the Arabs - a wish that was granted when he was assassinated). 

13 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Jews are the indigenous people of that land, not Arabs.  The Arab Muslim caliphate empire invaded and conquered that land around 640 CE.  Arabs need to at least be willing to share the land/cities/buildings that they stole.

Believing this is a reasonable argument requires some pretty selective logic, cherry picking of history, and an even more selective definition of the term "indigenous".  I suspect you'd have a lot of trouble defining what "indigenous" means in this context without making the inhabitants of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan etc more "indigenous" than the European and diaspora Jews who now live there.  

[Army Guy]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

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That's why there should be a strong peacekeeping force between Hamas and the IDF.

And like I said, Israel could do a lot lot more to damage to Hamas by cutting off its head in Iran and Qatar. Giving Hamas' political opposition amongst Palestinians  it's attention would also be a lot more effective.  But that'll likely have to wait for another generation.

I'm not opposed to using military force to put dictatorships in their place. I have a long record of not supporting proxy wars by taking the fight directly to freedom and liberty's worst enemies.

Better dead than the Dark Side I say.

If you knew me better you'd know that.

 

And what do you think a peace keeping force would be able to do , that the IDF has not been able to do...Thats the craziest idea you've had so far....Giving Hamas another target for it's terrorist activities is all that will accomplish, it will end up sending more body bags home to western nations in payment for what exactly...

You forget these groups are listed as terrorist groups, what does that mean to you....other than they are on a global list of the planets most wanted...

Iran and Qatar are giving protection to Hamas upper chain of command, these are sovereign nations, you just can't go in there and capture or kill them...with out some consequences... the globe should be sanctioning them at the very least....

Yes you are opposed to using military force , thats what is happening right now and you've been whining about it since forever...

Palestinians have chosen the dark side, and are paying the price, only they can overthrow the hamas terrorist and replace them with a democratic elected government that is not a terrorist group...until then they will face the consequences...We should be thanking the Israelis for the destruction of yet another terrorist group.

[Army Guy]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Do you have any evidence of journalists on the ground, along with NGO's and CEOs in distant corporate boardrooms working in unison to fabricate these stories for profit?

You're insane. 

Every news media story that comes out of gaza shows the population dress in clean cloths, smiling, they look nothing like those pictures you provided, those people were starving...barely able to move, skin and bones, distended bellies....that's your proof media embellishing the stories to make a point or fish for more dollars to support their cause....designed to make you cry and feel sorry for them...they could have peace tomorrow if palestinian stood up and herded hamas to the Israelis border...

[User]

5 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

And what do you think a peace keeping force would be able to do

Nothing. He knows nothing. First, there is no peacekeeping force in the world willing to do this. None. 

The few attempts at some UN force have been a joke, look at what happened in Lebanon. They just sit there and do nothing while Hezbollah built up a massive stockpile of rockets right underneath them, and then they were little more than human shields being in the way of Israel defending itself. 

The problem is that you put any peacekeeping force in Gaza, Hamas fires that first rocket into Israel... what are they going to do? Nothing. 

That peacekeeping force is not going to war against Hamas, not going door to door to hunt them down. 

They will just be in the way and Israel will have to live with rockets being indiscriminately fired at them and the random terrorist attacks Hamas can pull off. 

Eyeball knows all of this, which is why its just a ruse to even mention it. 

In the end, the final result of any of Eyeballs positions are that Hamas stays in power and Hamas keeps killing Israelis. 

 

[taxme]

20 hours ago, User said:

I just can't deal with this level of ignorance today...

I was not on the moon back in the 1960's either, so I guess that never happend. 

 

Oh, so sad indeed. I hope that you will be able to deal with this tomorrow. Get better! I guess that anytime someone dares to question anything about Israel or Judaism, they have to be ignorant and anti-semitic, eh? You appear to be quite an ignorant person yourself having that kind of attitude.

I guess that is your response to the question that i asked of you? If you cannot produce any pictures or videos, then i guess that the massacre in Israel did not happen as told if it happened at all. I will never trust any news stories coming out of Israel. Maybe, if Israel stopped all the bombing of Gaza, maybe then there will no more Hamas demonstrations around the world against Israel. It is Israel that keeps the demonstrations going. Hello? It's that simple. 

Stop trying to change the subject with the moon reply. 😇

[User]

1 minute ago, taxme said:

You appear to be quite an ignorant person yourself having that kind of attitude.

LOL, no, just when people question something that has been so well documented already and demonstrated already and already has a vast amount of information publicly available documenting it... as well as a large number of promenent people, reporters, celebrities, journalists that have all gone to investigate and report on it what they seen...  and then you STILL question it... You are just a conspiracy peddling nut, or so woefully ignorant that it is beyond any hope. 

Heard a good analogy the other day... that there is not enough wood in the world to build a bridge of understanding between the two of us when you are already starting at such a deficit. 

Sorry man. 

[taxme]

15 hours ago, blackbird said:

 

This video was release by Israeli authorities because there are people like yourself who cast doubt on the magnitude of the violence perpetrated by Hamas on October 7th,

Here is one video clip.  

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Google and find some.  It's not difficult.

What about the magnitude of the violence being perpetrated on the innocent Palestinian people? Are they not humans also? Those pictures of some kind of bombing going on does not mean that those pictures were coming from Israel. They could be pictures of Israel bombing Gaza. I was not there and neither were you so we do not know as to who is being bombed here or what was happening.

It was a video of some bombing supposedly happening in Israel, but the news of the bombing only lasted for a couple of days and then forgotten about by the Israeli media. As i have said before, i do not believe any kinds of news coming out of Israel and neither should too. Just saying. 

[taxme]

15 hours ago, blackbird said:

This video from a Hamas bodycam shows Hamas shooting into homes as they walk through the community.

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So, there is a war going on in Gaza. So, what do you expect? Israeli soldiers have been known to enter Palestinian homes and kill the occupants. Israel is no angel in this war. Israel has no problem killing people. Why are you so pro Israel anyway? Are you Jewish by chance? Just asking. Videos in most cases can be seen as propaganda videos to give one side or the other of trying to make the other guy look bad. It happens all the time.  

[taxme]

15 hours ago, blackbird said:

There are many terrorists who attack Israelis.  Israel has a right to defend itself and arrest suspected terrorists because they live in a state of emergency.   You are used to living in a peaceful country that is not under constant threat of attack and terrorism.  You have no idea what it is all about.

Did you ever think that you may have become an Israeli shill and are being used as a useful tool to help push and support what Israel is doing in Gaza? Hamas has a right to defend itself also. Think about that? 🤗

[taxme]

14 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Palestine's Arab neighbours all attacked Israel in 1948.  They lost.  And there were other skirmished like 1967, and they lost again.  They complain about land grabs by Israel, yet the goal of Palestinians and many of their Muslim neighbour countries is to take all of Israel for Muslims.  They're hypocrites.  Israel should follow international law, but when Arabs complain about it it's a farce because which Arab governments follow international law?  Certainly not Hamas.

Peace will happen when Palestinian governments and jihadist groups supported by their governments stop attacking Israel and finally want a 2-state solution in good faith, which they've NEVER wanted.

Jews are the indigenous people of that land, not Arabs.  The Arab Muslim caliphate empire invaded and conquered that land around 640 CE.  Arabs need to at least be willing to share the land/cities/buildings that they stole.

Thoughts @eyeball?

Maybe if Israel would stop bombing the shit out of the Paestinians, maybe then Hamas attacks will stop and also stop all of those demonstrations against Israel from happening all around the world will and the war could come to an halt. Think about that. 

[taxme]

32 minutes ago, User said:

LOL, no, just when people question something that has been so well documented already and demonstrated already and already has a vast amount of information publicly available documenting it... as well as a large number of promenent people, reporters, celebrities, journalists that have all gone to investigate and report on it what they seen...  and then you STILL question it... You are just a conspiracy peddling nut, or so woefully ignorant that it is beyond any hope. 

Heard a good analogy the other day... that there is not enough wood in the world to build a bridge of understanding between the two of us when you are already starting at such a deficit. 

Sorry man. 

Okay, so i should just believe what the Zionist globalist media says and that i should not question what they say or what is going on over there? I should just believe what you believe and shut up and not question. Many possible journalists, celebrities reporters are pro-Israel and what they maybe saying is all false news. 

Sorry man, but you may just be a useful tool and shill for the Israeli government or supporter of Israel and thus your support for Israel and maybe it's lies. I trust what Israel says as far as i could throw them. I have no horse in this race but i sure wish that the Arabs and the Jews would just go at it full throttle and may the best one win. Just saying. 

[Legato]

3 minutes ago, taxme said:

but i sure wish that the Arabs and the Jews would just go at it full throttle and may the best one win. Just saying. 

They did and guess who won. 

The guy who mows your lawn must be called Amed

[User]

13 minutes ago, taxme said:

Okay, so i should just believe what the Zionist globalist media says and that i should not question what they say or what is going on over there?

I think you should stay in the basement, get some more tinfoil, and spend your days questioning everything man. 

More power to you. 

 

[blackbird]

55 minutes ago, taxme said:

Did you ever think that you may have become an Israeli shill and are being used as a useful tool to help push and support what Israel is doing in Gaza? Hamas has a right to defend itself also. Think about that? 🤗

Whoa!   You are uneducated on the basic situation in the middle east.   

You don't understand Hamas are radical Islamists who hate Jews and want to kill all of them.  In fact, they consider any non- Muslim as infidels.  That includes you.  85% of Palestinians are Muslims and many of them support the terrorist organizations such as Hamas, Hezbollah, and these terrorist organizations are supported by Iran.  They are deeply embedded in the Palestinian society and use the people as shield.  They don't care about how many Palestinians get killed.  They are a continual threat to the people of Israel.  How is it you don't understand that simple fact?  

[taxme]

2 hours ago, Legato said:

They did and guess who won. 

The guy who mows your lawn must be called Amed

I don't have a lawn. 😁

[taxme]

2 hours ago, User said:

I think you should stay in the basement, get some more tinfoil, and spend your days questioning everything man. 

More power to you. 

 

It sure does amaze me as to how so many members here get all uptight when someone does not agree with what is happening to Israel. Israel can do no wrong with those people. 

Israel will not release any pictures. Why? Maybe because there are no graphic pictures or videos to show. We always see pictures or videos as to what Israel has been doing to the Palestinian people and they are pretty graphic. 

It is you that lives in some basement walking around with some tinfoil around his brainwashed head. So, what is wrong with questioning any and everything? I do not have to believe everything that i am told to believe by the controlled Zionist media just like you do. Do you ever question anything Israel does? Probably not. 🤡

Just what is with all of your fascination with Israel anyway? I could care less as to what goes on and happens in Israel. I prefer to stick with talking about the problems in Canada and not Israel which has been called a shitty little country by a french politician in France. Not my words. When you really look at it, Israel is a shitty little country with never offering the world with anything decent or moral, just problems and troubles. Even the FBI called Israel an enemy of America because Israel spies on America. Not my words. 😇

[User]

36 minutes ago, taxme said:

Israel will not release any pictures. Why?

This is a lie. 

Why Israel showed searing images of the Hamas attack

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/29/world/why-israel-showed-searing-images-of-the-hamas-attack/index.html

 

[taxme]

19 hours ago, User said:

This is a lie. 

Why Israel showed searing images of the Hamas attack

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/29/world/why-israel-showed-searing-images-of-the-hamas-attack/index.html

 

Israel is attacking Gaza pretty much every day, and pretty much killing dozens of people every day. So, what's your point here? That it is okay for Israel to kill Arabs, all is good, but Arabs killing Israelis is bad? In war, both sides commit atrocities. Hello? 

[User]

10 minutes ago, taxme said:

Israel is attacking Gaza pretty much every day, and pretty much killing dozens of people every day. So, what's your point here? That it is okay for Israel to kill Arabs, all is good, but Arabs killing Israelis is bad? In war, both sides commit atrocities. Hello? 

Let's review:

You played the conspiratorial / ignorance game, and then outright lied that the bad stuff that happened on October 7th to Israel didn't happen. You lied, claiming Israel did not release photos. 

My point was to show you that you were a liar. 

Now you pathetically ignore that and try to change the subject. 

 

[eyeball]

41 minutes ago, User said:

You played the conspiratorial / ignorance game...

My point was to show you that you were a liar.

How would you know? I mean sure everyone knows in this case you're arguing with an actual anti-Semite well known for his Holocaust denial.

Unfortunately you also like to play the ignorance game with anyone who disagrees with you and when you do they become an anti-Semite too.

 

[User]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

How would you know? I mean sure everyone knows in this case you're arguing with an actual anti-Semite well known for his Holocaust denial.

Unfortunately you also like to play the ignorance game with anyone who disagrees with you and when you do they become an anti-Semite too.

 

When you feel like actually responding to something I have said, let me know. Not interested in your fantasy BS you make up to argue against.