myata Posted May 1 Report Posted May 1 I've no intent to duplicate threads and discussions but this is a specific and concrete angle that is absolutely worth discussing and right now. Because for the party at least it's the watershed moment, and the consequences can and will be monumental altering the life, the position and the nature itself. This is maga as it is and I'm quoting: "Poilievre had his chance and he blew it. Instead of attacking and mocking the media that despised him he went meek and mild on them. PP knew that the media hated him so why go easy on them. Trump called the American media a lying and fake media and the people liked that and ate that up. PP has his own self to blame. He was just to week and wimpy for me. Canada needed a strong like leader like Trump to help save Canada". The problem was he didn't attack enough, too little of a good thing. The problem was, he didn't embrace full-heartedly the idea that when reality tells you something you don't want to hear you should kick it away and do more of the same. It's not you, the reality is wrong, and the adversary then: the enemy. So that's maga and the Conservatives today have come to its threshold, and even started testing it, with a toe. Astounding vitriol from very near circles against provincial politicians even of the same ostensibly, stripe. They didn't fall in line, bend the knee and kiss the boot - how dared they! Maga. Yes, it's here. No denying it. Conservatives have weeks and months now to make this decision and choice. And it can very well be irreversible. Nothing to guess here. 1 Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
myata Posted May 2 Author Report Posted May 2 The turning point is right here: Conservatives have no reason to keep not only Poilievre but his group and style of U.S. style aggressive, personal, anything goes politics. This is the key deciding issue and point. They can decide to drop it and come back to being a normal Canadian political party. Or hang on to it and become Canadian version of the maga cult. This is the choice and the options are as clear and contrasted as they come. They point in exact opposite directions, and futures. 1 Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
August1991 Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 (edited) At issue, is whether Canadians get along. ====== Mulroney and Harper made Canada work. Edited May 2 by August1991 Quote
August1991 Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 I remember Chretien, and Martin - and even Trudeau Snr. We did not get along. ==== I suspect this guy Carney is similar. Quote
August1991 Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 With Trudeau Jnr, we Canadians got along - until his wife left him. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 There is no Maple Maga. This is the kind of lie that leftists tell in order to justify their irrational hatreds and bigotry Today's conservatives are no more right-wing than harper was and in fact arguably even less so. There's nothing radical about people should be able to afford to buy a house. There's nothing else right about people should be able to afford good food. There's nothing nazi about thinking smaller government with less regulation and rules is a good thing. All the things that the conservatives are putting forward are reasonable rational ideas that will genuinely help people It's not the conservative that need to change. The hatred and division in our country is being spread by the left. People like the illiterate and inarticulate myata here who spouts gibberish interlaced with hatred and expects to be taken seriously, But the kids are seeing through it. They realize that their future is through the conservatives. So do the middle-aged people who still have hope of having a decent life. The girls will lose power. And once they do the conservatives will take steps to ensure that they have a tough time getting back in. The kids will realize that the conservatives really do deliver and the country will move nicely to the center right and the screaming woke lunatics like Myata will be relegated to history and the dark corners of the internet. At that point a more moderate and reasonable left will likely appear and we will learn to get along again. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
myata Posted May 2 Author Report Posted May 2 No small lying tongues will twist away this dilemma for Conservatives today that came up to stand clear in their path going forward: drop and denounce the divisive, reality-diminishing tactics of the maple maga bunch; quite possibly, ditch it in the process too. Or become homegrown incarnation of maga, with all the grotesque and insane features and attribute. Their choice. And it'll totally define what they will be and/or become going forward. 1 Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
CdnFox Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 9 hours ago, myata said: No small lying tongues will twist away this dilemma for Conservatives today that came up to stand clear in their path going forward: drop and denounce the divisive, reality-diminishing tactics of the maple maga bunch; quite possibly, ditch it in the process too. Or become homegrown incarnation of maga, with all the grotesque and insane features and attribute. Their choice. And it'll totally define what they will be and/or become going forward. I think your blood sugar must be low. You'd have to be the worst kind of tard to agree with that dribble, or even understand it. Oh... i see exflyer did. Well that proves my point nicely Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Moonbox Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 (edited) 13 hours ago, CdnFox said: There is no Maple Maga. This is the kind of lie that leftists tell in order to justify their irrational hatreds and bigotry Bigotry against what? Misinformation, conspiracy theories and culture war bullshit? OKAY! What we saw and what we heard sounded a lot like MAGA, and Canada passed on it. Your useless coping and seething after the fact don't change that. 🙃 Edited May 2 by Moonbox 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
myata Posted May 2 Author Report Posted May 2 Integrity of Conservative party is disintegrating in real time. Defeated fairly and squarely in his own "safe" riding he just moves to another one. Supposedly "representatives of the people" quietly acquiesce. There's nothing normal about it. Integrity and independence of Conservative MP is heading down the drain. Another step down toward maga. 1 Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Moonbox Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 1 hour ago, myata said: Integrity and independence of Conservative MP is heading down the drain. Another step down toward maga. To be fair the integrity and independence of MP's disappeared long before Poilievre. That's been a long trend that accelerated under Harper and got much worse under Trudeau. Poilievre barred more than a few reasonable centrist MPs from running for the Conservatives, and stacked the party with loyal sycophants instead. 3 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
taxme Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 On 4/30/2025 at 9:09 PM, myata said: I've no intent to duplicate threads and discussions but this is a specific and concrete angle that is absolutely worth discussing and right now. Because for the party at least it's the watershed moment, and the consequences can and will be monumental altering the life, the position and the nature itself. This is maga as it is and I'm quoting: "Poilievre had his chance and he blew it. Instead of attacking and mocking the media that despised him he went meek and mild on them. PP knew that the media hated him so why go easy on them. Trump called the American media a lying and fake media and the people liked that and ate that up. PP has his own self to blame. He was just to week and wimpy for me. Canada needed a strong like leader like Trump to help save Canada". The problem was he didn't attack enough, too little of a good thing. The problem was, he didn't embrace full-heartedly the idea that when reality tells you something you don't want to hear you should kick it away and do more of the same. It's not you, the reality is wrong, and the adversary then: the enemy. So that's maga and the Conservatives today have come to its threshold, and even started testing it, with a toe. Astounding vitriol from very near circles against provincial politicians even of the same ostensibly, stripe. They didn't fall in line, bend the knee and kiss the boot - how dared they! Maga. Yes, it's here. No denying it. Conservatives have weeks and months now to make this decision and choice. And it can very well be irreversible. Nothing to guess here. Give up with your foolish love for Canada. Canada is dead. Corney will bury Canada very soon by bankrupting the country and will be bankrupting you also. Canada will soon die on the vine, and it will be all due to Alberta separating from Canada. Thanks to Alberta, Alberta will be giving Canada a nice slow RIP ending. Well deserved and rightly so, Canada. You were once great Canada, but those who voted for Corney did not like the idea of Canada being so great. They voted for it's demise. 🤣 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted May 3 Report Posted May 3 6 hours ago, Moonbox said: Bigotry against what? Misinformation, conspiracy theories and culture war bullshit? OKAY! Bigotry tree against the truth that there is no misinformation, conspiracy theory and that the culture war is a left wing thing I mean everything you said there is demonstrably a lie. If anything it's projection. But it is absolutely critical to the left that they demonize and subhumanize conservatives and anyone else who opposes them so that they can dismiss them out of hand rather than address or consider their arguments It's very similar to the Nazis technique in Pre-war germany, people wouldn't tolerate humans being treated the way the Nazis wanted to treat the Jews, so they had to dehumanize the Jews to the point where they seemed like subhuman creatures. Basically that's exactly what the left is like these days Or if you prefer another example the slave trade. The only way you could bring yourself to work someone to death on a regular basis literally I miss treat people that bad would be if you believe they were animals and not humans. So we see all kinds of nonsense theories come out about how black people aren't really people, just as we see you claiming that conservatives aren't really people. 6 hours ago, Moonbox said: What we saw and what we heard sounded a lot like MAGA It didn't sound a single thing like Maga. In a general sense all conservatives frequently sound similar, poilievre talked about lower taxes, getting business going, smaller government etc. But that's not Maga. That's every conservative going back to John a Which means the conspiracy theory is yours Not to mention the fact that trump has been exceptionally clear that Kearney is his choice. He's absolutely thrilled that carney won and he's bragging about how he helped him. People like you let your hatred and bigotry drive your brain rather than reason and logic. Poilievre put forward a very modest right of center conservative platform and budget. If you would take off your hate filled glasses you'd see it 4 hours ago, Moonbox said: To be fair the integrity and independence of MP's disappeared long before Poilievre. That's been a long trend that accelerated under Harper and got much worse under Trudeau. Poilievre barred more than a few reasonable centrist MPs from running for the Conservatives, and stacked the party with loyal sycophants instead. Would that be the harper you claim you voted for all along and then defended for years after he left? Yeah. Didn't take you long to blow your cover there did it 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
myata Posted May 3 Author Report Posted May 3 8 hours ago, Moonbox said: and stacked the party with loyal sycophants instead. This is of course, the point. If the party keeps him, it's no longer a normal parliamentary party, but an idol worship club. Any Conservative having reservations and doubts about it has no outs these days: the result, the outcome is playing out right before our eyes. There will be no magical fixes and cures, everything will go down the drain: dignity, self-respect, integrity, principles, loyalty to the country. Everything. This is the defining point: either the party ditches this stuff; or you cannot stay in it and respect yourself. Pick one: with no excuses and in full knowledge. 1 Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
CdnFox Posted May 3 Report Posted May 3 13 hours ago, myata said: This is of course, the point. If the party keeps him, it's no longer a normal parliamentary party, but an idol worship club. Any Conservative having reservations and doubts about it has no outs these days: the result, the outcome is playing out right before our eyes. There will be no magical fixes and cures, everything will go down the drain: dignity, self-respect, integrity, principles, loyalty to the country. Everything. This is the defining point: either the party ditches this stuff; or you cannot stay in it and respect yourself. Pick one: with no excuses and in full knowledge. Dear diary, Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
myata Posted May 4 Author Report Posted May 4 Betting on the discarded message would only lock the party firmly in the past: Irish Times Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
blackbird Posted May 4 Report Posted May 4 (edited) The King James Bible is one good way to find sanity. Get saved by our Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, and learn about why the world is the way it is and you will be delivered from the madness of the world. Make sense? Any questions on how to do that, just let me know. I am willing to share it. It is simply God's grace by faith. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God. This is the Lord's Day; we will rejoice and be glad in it. Edited May 4 by blackbird Quote
Barquentine Posted May 4 Report Posted May 4 On 5/2/2025 at 3:09 AM, CdnFox said: The hatred and division in our country is being spread by the left. Give us some examples of a Liberal or NDP politician spreading hate and division. On 5/2/2025 at 9:09 PM, CdnFox said: I mean everything you said there is demonstrably a lie. If anything it's projection. Talking about yourself like that won't help. On 5/2/2025 at 9:09 PM, CdnFox said: people wouldn't tolerate humans being treated the way the Nazis wanted to treat the Jews, so they had to dehumanize the Jews to the point where they seemed like subhuman creatures. Like Maga does with immigrants. On 5/2/2025 at 9:09 PM, CdnFox said: we see you claiming that conservatives aren't really people. Where did anyone say that? On 5/2/2025 at 9:09 PM, CdnFox said: It didn't sound a single thing like Maga. Sure it did. Attack the press, blame every problem on Wokeism... PeePee did a lot of that 'til he realized it wasn't working. (Too late.) On 5/2/2025 at 9:09 PM, CdnFox said: People like you let your hatred and bigotry drive your brain rather than reason and logic. Talking about yourself like that won't help. Quote
Legato Posted May 4 Report Posted May 4 On 5/2/2025 at 1:32 PM, Moonbox said: What we saw and what we heard sounded a lot like MAGA, You need to get your eyes and ears checked. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted May 4 Report Posted May 4 On 5/2/2025 at 2:09 AM, CdnFox said: There is no Maple Maga. Canada First. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
blackbird Posted May 4 Report Posted May 4 5 hours ago, Barquentine said: Give us some examples of a Liberal or NDP politician spreading hate and division. " As Justin Trudeau’s time as Prime Minister finally comes to an end, it’s worth reflecting on his tarnished legacy. For many, the past decade will be remembered as “the lost years” – a time of missed opportunities, deepening divisions, and unresolved challenges that have left Canada worse off. Under Trudeau’s leadership, Canada’s national debt has reached unprecedented levels. While pandemic spending was necessary, much of it was poorly directed, creating inefficiencies and leaving future generations saddled with the fallout. Meanwhile, Canadians are struggling with an affordability crisis. Skyrocketing housing prices, persistent inflation, and stagnant wages have left families stretched thin. Despite countless promises to make life more affordable, Trudeau’s government has largely offered short-term fixes that failed to address systemic issues. National unity has also taken a significant hit during Trudeau’s time in office. His policies on carbon taxes and energy development have alienated Western Canada, particularly Alberta and Saskatchewan, where frustration has boiled over into talk of separation. This sense of alienation has been exacerbated by Trudeau’s perceived favouritism toward Quebec, with policies and funding decisions that often seem skewed to Quebec’s advantage, further deepening divisions across the country. Trudeau’s time in office has also been plagued by scandal. From the SNC-Lavalin affair to the WE Charity controversy to the use of the Emergencies Act, Trudeau’s repeated breaches of ethics laws have eroded trust in his leadership. These scandals highlight a troubling pattern of prioritizing political connections over integrity, tarnishing Canada’s reputation for good governance both at home and abroad. Even more concerning is Trudeau’s apparent inability to accept accountability for these missteps, often deflecting blame or offering vague explanations that fall short of genuine transparency. Adding to this is his embrace of wokeism, which many Canadians see as performative and divisive. Trudeau’s focus on symbolic gestures – whether kneeling for cameras, wearing costumes during international visits, or issuing apologies that often feel hollow – has alienated a large population segment. These actions seem more about cultivating his image as a so-called “progressive” leader than enacting real change. His heavy-handed approach to social issues, often described as “coercive progressivism,” has polarized Canadians, alienating moderates and conservatives while failing to deliver meaningful results for those he claims to champion. Trudeau’s lack of leadership qualities has been glaring in moments of national and international importance. Rather than uniting the country, his approach has often exacerbated divisions, creating an “us versus them” mentality. His tendency to favour style over substance – delivering carefully crafted soundbites instead of actionable plans – has left Canada ill-prepared to tackle the structural challenges it faces. Energy policy has been another sore point. Trudeau’s government purchased the Trans Mountain pipeline in an attempt to placate Western Canada, but it also introduced Bill C-69 – the so-called “no more pipelines” law – which effectively stifled energy development. This balancing act has satisfied no one, leaving the energy sector in limbo while environmental goals remain unmet. The carbon tax, touted as a cornerstone of climate action, has disproportionately impacted rural and low-income Canadians while delivering minimal reductions in emissions. This mismanagement has left Canada without a coherent energy strategy, undermining both economic growth and climate commitments." Opinion: How Justin Trudeau failed Canada - SaskToday.ca Quote
herbie Posted May 4 Report Posted May 4 Trudeau, Trudeau, Trudeau, Trudeau IS F*CKING GONE!!! You point out again why PP LOST the election by dwelling on Trudeau yourself. AND you completely FAILED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION POSED giving instead a deflection to your views on Trudeau instead, pointing out how the 'division' and 'hate' you claim is entirely due to your own failure to accept the results of a democratic election. Got it? Carney erased a 25pt trailing in the polls and WON because he is NOT Trudeau and represented enough of a change to be palatable. Quote
CdnFox Posted May 4 Report Posted May 4 2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Canada First. And? Do you mean he sounds like Biden? Biden was all about America first Biden’s 'America First' Economic Policy Threatens Rift With Europe Got something to say for yourself right now or do you feel like you've looked stupid enough for one day? Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Moonlight Graham Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 3 hours ago, CdnFox said: And? Do you mean he sounds like Biden? Biden was all about America first Biden’s 'America First' Economic Policy Threatens Rift With Europe Got something to say for yourself right now or do you feel like you've looked stupid enough for one day? I thought Biden was a globalist? Kinda was... Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted May 5 Report Posted May 5 If the CPC wants to lose again they'll keep Pierre as leader. He was rejected by Canadian voters for his Maple MAGA schtick.. Even O'Toole and Scheer won the most votes in the last 2 elections and didn't have NDP and Green voters so desperate to keep them out of power as to vote for the Liberal Party. Our politicians really suck right now. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
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