Conservatives (Canada) at the crossroads: Maga future or back to normality?

[myata]

I've no intent to duplicate threads and discussions but this is a specific and concrete angle that is absolutely worth discussing and right now. Because for the party at least it's the watershed moment, and the consequences can and will be monumental altering the life, the position and the nature itself.

This is maga as it is and I'm quoting:

"Poilievre had his chance and he blew it. Instead of attacking and mocking the media that despised him he went meek and mild on them. PP knew that the media hated him so why go easy on them. Trump called the American media a lying and fake media and the people liked that and ate that up. PP has his own self to blame. He was just to week and wimpy for me. Canada needed a strong like leader like Trump to help save Canada". 

The problem was he didn't attack enough, too little of a good thing. The problem was, he didn't embrace full-heartedly the idea that when reality tells you something you don't want to hear you should kick it away and do more of the same. It's not you, the reality is wrong, and the adversary then: the enemy.

So that's maga and the Conservatives today have come to its threshold, and even started testing it, with a toe. Astounding vitriol from very near circles against provincial politicians even of the same ostensibly, stripe. They didn't fall in line, bend the knee and kiss the boot - how dared they! Maga. Yes, it's here. No denying it.

Conservatives have weeks and months now to make this decision and choice. And it can very well be irreversible. Nothing to guess here.

[myata]

The turning point is right here: Conservatives have no reason to keep not only Poilievre but his group and style of U.S. style aggressive, personal, anything goes politics. This is the key deciding issue and point. They can decide to drop it and come back to being a normal Canadian political party. Or hang on to it and become Canadian version of the maga cult. This is the choice and the options are as clear and contrasted as they come. They point in exact opposite directions, and futures.

[August1991]

At issue, is whether Canadians get along.

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Mulroney and Harper made Canada work.

Edited yesterday at 05:12 AM by August1991

[August1991]

I remember Chretien, and Martin - and even Trudeau Snr.

We did not get along.

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I suspect this guy Carney is similar.

[August1991]

With Trudeau Jnr, we Canadians got along - until his wife left him.

[CdnFox]

There is no Maple Maga. This is the kind of lie that leftists tell in order to justify their irrational hatreds and bigotry

Today's conservatives are no more right-wing than harper was and in fact arguably even less so. There's nothing radical about people should be able to afford to buy a house. There's nothing else right about people should be able to afford good food. There's nothing nazi about thinking smaller government with less regulation and rules is a good thing.

All the things that the conservatives are putting forward are reasonable rational ideas that will genuinely help people

It's not the conservative that need to change. The hatred and division in our country is being spread by the left. People like the illiterate and inarticulate myata here who spouts gibberish interlaced with hatred and expects to be taken seriously, 

But the kids are seeing through it. They realize that their future is through the conservatives. So do the middle-aged people who still have hope of having a decent life. 

The girls will lose power. And once they do the conservatives will take steps to ensure that they have a tough time getting back in. The kids will realize that the conservatives really do deliver and the country will move nicely to the center right and the screaming woke lunatics like Myata will be relegated to history and the dark corners of the internet.  

At that point a more moderate and reasonable left will likely appear and we will learn to get along again.

[myata]

No small lying tongues will twist away this dilemma for Conservatives today that came up to stand clear in their path going forward: drop and denounce the divisive, reality-diminishing tactics of the maple maga bunch; quite possibly, ditch it in the process too. Or become homegrown incarnation of maga, with all the grotesque and insane features and attribute. Their choice. And it'll totally define what they will be and/or become going forward.

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, myata said:

No small lying tongues will twist away this dilemma for Conservatives today that came up to stand clear in their path going forward: drop and denounce the divisive, reality-diminishing tactics of the maple maga bunch; quite possibly, ditch it in the process too. Or become homegrown incarnation of maga, with all the grotesque and insane features and attribute. Their choice. And it'll totally define what they will be and/or become going forward.

I think your blood sugar must be low. You'd have to be the worst kind of tard to agree with that dribble, or even understand it.

Oh... i see exflyer did.  Well that proves my point nicely  

[Moonbox]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

There is no Maple Maga. This is the kind of lie that leftists tell in order to justify their irrational hatreds and bigotry

Bigotry against what?  Misinformation, conspiracy theories and culture war bullshit?  OKAY!

What we saw and what we heard sounded a lot like MAGA, and Canada passed on it.  Your useless coping and seething after the fact don't change that.  🙃

Edited yesterday at 07:23 PM by Moonbox

[myata]

Integrity of Conservative party is disintegrating in real time. Defeated fairly and squarely in his own "safe" riding he just moves to another one. Supposedly "representatives of the people" quietly acquiesce. There's nothing normal about it. Integrity and independence of Conservative MP is heading down the drain. Another step down toward maga.

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Integrity and independence of Conservative MP is heading down the drain. Another step down toward maga.

To be fair the integrity and independence of MP's disappeared long before Poilievre.  That's been a long trend that accelerated under Harper and got much worse under Trudeau.  Poilievre barred more than a few reasonable centrist MPs from running for the Conservatives, and stacked the party with loyal sycophants instead.   

[taxme]

On 4/30/2025 at 9:09 PM, myata said:

I've no intent to duplicate threads and discussions but this is a specific and concrete angle that is absolutely worth discussing and right now. Because for the party at least it's the watershed moment, and the consequences can and will be monumental altering the life, the position and the nature itself.

This is maga as it is and I'm quoting:

"Poilievre had his chance and he blew it. Instead of attacking and mocking the media that despised him he went meek and mild on them. PP knew that the media hated him so why go easy on them. Trump called the American media a lying and fake media and the people liked that and ate that up. PP has his own self to blame. He was just to week and wimpy for me. Canada needed a strong like leader like Trump to help save Canada". 

The problem was he didn't attack enough, too little of a good thing. The problem was, he didn't embrace full-heartedly the idea that when reality tells you something you don't want to hear you should kick it away and do more of the same. It's not you, the reality is wrong, and the adversary then: the enemy.

So that's maga and the Conservatives today have come to its threshold, and even started testing it, with a toe. Astounding vitriol from very near circles against provincial politicians even of the same ostensibly, stripe. They didn't fall in line, bend the knee and kiss the boot - how dared they! Maga. Yes, it's here. No denying it.

Conservatives have weeks and months now to make this decision and choice. And it can very well be irreversible. Nothing to guess here.

Give up with your foolish love for Canada. Canada is dead. Corney will bury Canada very soon by bankrupting the country and will be bankrupting you also. Canada will soon die on the vine, and it will be all due to Alberta separating from Canada. Thanks to Alberta, Alberta will be giving Canada a nice slow RIP ending. Well deserved and rightly so, Canada. You were once great Canada, but those who voted for Corney did not like the idea of Canada being so great. They voted for it's demise. 🤣

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Bigotry against what?  Misinformation, conspiracy theories and culture war bullshit?  OKAY!

 

Bigotry tree against the truth that there is no misinformation, conspiracy theory and that the culture war is a left wing thing 

I mean everything you said there is demonstrably a lie. If anything it's projection. But it is absolutely critical to the left that they demonize and subhumanize conservatives and anyone else who opposes them so that they can dismiss them out of hand rather than address or consider their arguments

It's very similar to the Nazis technique in Pre-war germany, people wouldn't tolerate humans being treated the way the Nazis wanted to treat the Jews, so they had to dehumanize the Jews to the point where they seemed like subhuman creatures. Basically that's exactly what the left is like these days

Or if you prefer another example the slave trade. The only way you could bring yourself to work someone to death on a regular basis literally I miss treat people that bad would be if you believe they were animals and not humans. So we see all kinds of nonsense theories come out about how black people aren't really people, just as we see you claiming that conservatives aren't really people.

6 hours ago, Moonbox said:

What we saw and what we heard sounded a lot like MAGA

It didn't sound a single thing like Maga. In a general sense all conservatives frequently sound similar, poilievre talked about lower taxes, getting business going, smaller government etc. But that's not Maga. That's every  conservative going back to John a

Which means the conspiracy theory is yours

Not to mention the fact that trump has been exceptionally clear that Kearney is his choice. He's absolutely thrilled that carney won and he's bragging about how he helped him.

People like you let your hatred and bigotry drive your brain rather than reason and logic. Poilievre put forward a very modest right of center conservative platform and budget. If you would take off your hate filled glasses you'd see it

4 hours ago, Moonbox said:

To be fair the integrity and independence of MP's disappeared long before Poilievre.  That's been a long trend that accelerated under Harper and got much worse under Trudeau.  Poilievre barred more than a few reasonable centrist MPs from running for the Conservatives, and stacked the party with loyal sycophants instead.   

Would that be the harper you claim you voted for all along and then defended for years after he left?

Yeah. Didn't take you long to blow your cover there did it  

[myata]

8 hours ago, Moonbox said:

and stacked the party with loyal sycophants instead.   

This is of course, the point. If the party keeps him, it's no longer a normal parliamentary party, but an idol worship club. Any Conservative having reservations and doubts about it has no outs these days: the result, the outcome is playing out right before our eyes. There will be no magical fixes and cures, everything will go down the drain: dignity, self-respect, integrity, principles, loyalty to the country. Everything. This is the defining point: either the party ditches this stuff; or you cannot stay in it and respect yourself.

Pick one: with no excuses and in full knowledge.

[CdnFox]

13 hours ago, myata said:

This is of course, the point. If the party keeps him, it's no longer a normal parliamentary party, but an idol worship club. Any Conservative having reservations and doubts about it has no outs these days: the result, the outcome is playing out right before our eyes. There will be no magical fixes and cures, everything will go down the drain: dignity, self-respect, integrity, principles, loyalty to the country. Everything. This is the defining point: either the party ditches this stuff; or you cannot stay in it and respect yourself.

Pick one: with no excuses and in full knowledge.

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