What happens next to the Conservative Party?

[Politics1990]

if they were smart they would boot pp and go for a centrist leader like they had under otoole. but that won't happen the reform  weirdos got to much control of the party and the ones who actually are PC  don't got a back bone to stand up to them .

[CdnFox]

30 minutes ago, eyeball said:

By then Conservative votes will be split between those who want to keep moving farther right and those who don't.

Conservative votes are staying where they are. They have for well over a year now. He got what he's been polling for some time.

The NDP is going to come to the realization that they backed an international banker whose primary purpose in life is to hide taxes for the rich to starve out the poor and as soon as they get a decent leader they're going back

What happens with the block is more up in the air but they didn't completely collapse either. they will be putting up a fight in the next election

Kearney will without a doubt be looking for a magic moment to pull the trigger on the next election when he feels he's got the best chance, but that may not work out for him the way that he wants and there's an excellent chance that next time the liberals will be back down to about 28%. At which point the CPC will basically dominate

[Moonbox]

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No, they won't. They did it because of trump.

When it was just PP  and no trump They absolutely weren't interested in joining the liberals.

and then there was Trump, and Poilievre sounded like him, so they were.  🤡

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Which tells me you probably weren't telling the truth about harper.  

Yeah but nobody gives a shit what you think or what you say.  This weird notion you have that insisting on something hard enough manifests it in reality is good for nothing but laughs.  Like with so many things, you can't handle a debate falling outside the narrow confines of your hysterical tribalism, so you warp reality around yourself to make it fit. 

The idea that previously reliable conservative voters want nothing to do with Pierre Poilievre's retarded populism literally breaks your brain.  

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

and then there was Trump, and Poilievre sounded like him, so they were.  🤡

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You have done smoked yourself retarded   Trump was around long before the whole tariff and 51 state thing. So is Poilievre. And there were no issues. And again poilievre actually got all of the votes he was expected to, over 41%. That's what he been polling for like the last year

It's too bad he didn't win, obviously you would have benefited from his policy seeing how much you are grasping at straws LOLOL 

 

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Yeah but nobody gives a shit what you think or what you say. 

Of course they do. So do you spend the vast majority of your time on this forum chasing me around Worrying about what I think. Whereas for me you're just kind of a mild amusement, much like a dog chasing a laser pointer  

 

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This weird notion you have that insisting on something hard enough manifests it in reality is good for nothing

LOL awww muffin. that was kind of sad even for you  

I operate on observation. You're making a claim about harper that does not really line up with all of your other activities that I've seen you do and things I've seen you say. It is normal and rational to question a discrepancy like that and wonder if the person's assertions are not accurate. It has nothing to do with wishing anything into existence

I judge you on your actions and when your words don't match your actions or your other words then I call it to question. And that's what a reasonable and intelligent person would do. Sorry for the emotional damage that appears to have caused  

Nothing in PoilievreS platform is anything more radical or right wing then was in harpers. In fact it's somewhat less so. But you really liked harper and defended him to the death but Poilievre is absolutely Satan and nothing he says is good. I don't know if you can see the problem, but there's a problem

[eyeball]

30 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The NDP is going to come to the realization that they backed an international banker whose primary purpose in life is to hide taxes for the rich to starve out the poor and as soon as they get a decent leader they're going back

If it wasn't for dedicated NDP voters who weren't frightened into voting for Liberals there would be no one in Parliament to hold that particular fire to Carney's feet.

As soon as we get a decent leader it will be even easier to do that. Especially with Canada's right wing splitting.

I don't think we'll be seeing any American style two party state. Despite the polarization in this election it's one off that still didn't deliver a majority.  If anything I think our trend towards minority governments will only strengthen over time and become the standard Canadians are used to.

[Legato]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

If it wasn't for dedicated NDP voters who weren't frightened into voting for Liberals there would be no one in Parliament to hold that particular fire to Carney's feet.

As soon as we get a decent leader it will be even easier to do that. Especially with Canada's right wing splitting.

I don't think we'll be seeing any American style two party state. Despite the polarization in this election it's one off that still didn't deliver a majority.  If anything I think our trend towards minority governments will only strengthen over time and become the standard Canadians are used to.

Canada's right wing splitting? Into what, please elaborate.

The fire in the NDP opposition will be more like a damp squib

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, Legato said:

Canada's right wing splitting? Into what, please elaborate.

Right, farther right, separatists. It's how you guys usually roll after losing.

[Legato]

Just now, eyeball said:

Right, farther right, separatists. It's how you guys usually roll after losing.

Which Enid Blyton book did you steal that from.

I will give you credit for using a reliable source.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

If it wasn't for dedicated NDP voters who weren't frightened into voting for Liberals there would be no one in Parliament to hold that particular fire to Carney's feet.

They are currently begging him for official party status, which if he chooses to give them means they will owe him big time. I don't imagine they'll be holding any feet to any fires. And we know that for the last 4 years the NDP has just basically been the liberals house boys

Maybe under a new leader things will change but right now the NDP is completely superfluous

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As soon as we get a decent leader it will be even easier to do that. Especially with Canada's right wing splitting.

It's entirely possible that a new leader will actually put some spine into what has been a completely irrelevant party. And I'm so sorry to tell you but the conservatives in Canada are not splitting. Provincial parties which have the word conservative in their name are fighting with the federal conservative party but that is not the same thing

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I don't think we'll be seeing any American style two party state. Despite the polarization in this election it's one off that still didn't deliver a majority.  If anything I think our trend towards minority governments will only strengthen over time and become the standard Canadians are used to.

Strangely enough I think we agree there. IDP voters and liberal voters are not interchangeable. They are not the same thing. People who believe in the traditional NDP philosophies will not accept the liberal platforms most of the time. They will want their own party same as they always have.  This isnt the first time teh ndp has been mauled like this and they've come back before. 

And even tho i don't agree with the ndp's politics we absolutely need that third major party, even if they never form gov't.  It helps in minorities, and even in majorities they become the conscience of the parliament and have held parties feet to the fire for accountability many times 

Likewise, while the bloc was diminished they're still fairly strong and i suspect they'll have a resurgence in the future as well. 

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Right, farther right, separatists. It's how you guys usually roll after losing.

I'm sure that your fever dreams lead you to believe that   

[eyeball]

46 minutes ago, Legato said:

Which Enid Blyton book did you steal that from.

I will give you credit for using a reliable source.

The same one Danielle Smith and Presto Manning draw from I guess...

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

I'm sure that your fever dreams lead you to believe that

It's easier to believe when you see how the MAGA right-wingers in the US reacted when Trump lost and the Liz Cheneys and David Frums of the world were labeled as Marxists.

Maple MAGA won't be in any mood to follow Conservatives who say enough is enough and try to move back towards the center.

[Barquentine]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

People who believe in the traditional NDP philosophies will not accept the liberal platforms most of the time. They will want their own party same as they always have.

In another possible scenario the far right splinters off then we have 2 parties on the left and 2 on the right. There might be another Preston Manning out there.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

It's easier to believe when you see how the MAGA right-wingers in the US reacted when Trump lost and the Liz Cheneys and David Frums of the world were labeled as Marxists.

Maple MAGA won't be in any mood to follow Conservatives who say enough is enough and try to move back towards the center.

It's easier to believe because your ability to lie to yourself and self-delude is at an Olympic level.

Not to mention the fact that in your haste to dehumanize anyone that isn't in exactly the same lock step mental state is yourself you've decided that all conservatives in the states and in Canada are identical somehow and really they're all one person that's just been cloned

I guess that helps you sleep at night when you are thinking about people that have been killed. I mean they' might not be real people maybe they're conservatives.

In any case there is no such thing as Maple Maga. And PoilievreS platform is barely right of center. It's hardly radical, you're not going to be able to move much further back towards the center.  Get a grip

 

[cougar]

On 4/29/2025 at 6:37 AM, betsy said:

Let's face it:  The Liberals won primarily - and, solely - due to TRUMP!

 

How so?

[eyeball]

40 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It's easier to believe because your ability to lie to yourself and self-delude is at an Olympic level....blah blah blah.   

Like I said you people make it easy.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, cougar said:

How so?

It's pretty straightforward. The liberal party had about 28-20 percent of the vote while Carney was running for leader when people were polled if they'd vote for him if he won. 

Suddenly trump's tariffs threats were very real and his talk about a 50 first state wasn't just a joke but he was serious. Carney was able to give the appearance of dealing with it because he was automatically prime minister at the time

THe left decided that the threat was real, and that they needed to come together under one banner

Suddenly the NDP and block vote completely collapsed. The NDP went from somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 to 17% down to about 6% and all of that went to the liberals. The blocks hyper efficient vote went to them as well.

When  you add it up the liberals shot up about 12 percent... which is about  what the ndp and bloc lost. the greens also donated a little. 

That' is how the liberals got to 42 percent. It is almost entirely bloc and ndp and green voters who dumped their own parties for fear of trump. 

 

 

47 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Like I said you people make it easy.

Your poor thinking and weak brain makes it easy.   And your trite dismissal of the facts is how we know you're aware you're wrong  

Always fun running you into the dirt   

[blackbird]

8 hours ago, Politics1990 said:

if they were smart they would boot pp and go for a centrist leader like they had under otoole.

You are not a conservative and don't know anything about it.

PP did an excellent job and it would be hard to find someone nearly as good.  It would be crazy to boot someone who worked like he did and achieved as much as he did.  

OToole was more of a liberal and changed his mind after he became leader.  He changed to keeping the carbon tax.  That was a betrayal of the members who wanted to axe the tax.

[TreeBeard]

19 minutes ago, blackbird said:

PP did an excellent job

He blew a 25 point lead on the Libs.   He couldn’t even win his own riding!!  

 

19 minutes ago, blackbird said:

OToole was more of a liberal

If you mean he wasn’t a raving lunatic who sounds like Trump, then I guess.  

Edited yesterday at 12:59 AM by TreeBeard

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

He blew a 25 point lead on the Libs.   He couldn’t even win his own riding!!  

 

If you mean he wasn’t a raving lunatic who sounds like Trump, then I guess.  

He never had a 25-point lead over Kearney

The fact that you feel the need to keep repeating this lie over and over again when you are aware that it is a lie is pathetic, 

I get it. You know your guy got lucky. You know he stole votes from virtually every other party to Cobble together this coalition and it won't last next time

Which means you know that poilievre is almost certain to win a strong majority. And you are desperate, desperate to get rid of them to the point where you would lie every third or fourth post in the hopes that you're misinformation and disinformation would stick

Thanks to trump and carney taking over, against Kearney he actually had as high as a 13 or 14 point deficit depending on the pole. In the end he was about two points apart

The only thing that blows anything around here is you

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Your poor thinking and weak brain makes it easy.   And your trite dismissal of the facts is how we know you're aware you're wrong

Who's this we you're taking about? Do you and your buddies PM little validations to one another or something? 

LMAO!

[blackbird]

42 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

PP did an excellent job

TreeBeard said:

He blew a 25 point lead on the Libs.   He couldn’t even win his own riding!!  

No, he didn't blow it.  Trump scared many voters into voting for Carney and Liberals.

PP did a very good job in the past few years building up the Conservative support and that was reflected in a large increase in the number of seats they won in the election. 

But you know as well as I that the voters were stampeded into voting for Carney by the Trump tariffs and 51st stuff.  They missed their chance to obtain real change that PP talked about.

[Army Guy]

9 hours ago, Moonbox said:

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The idea that previously reliable conservative voters want nothing to do with Pierre Poilievre's retarded populism literally breaks your brain.  

Well they weren't very reliable conservatives as you say they where, if they let their hate for PP , over shadow what they liberals did or did not do in the last 9 years....and with the same team, same players under one of the same coaches...what could go wrong....where do you see the hope in that ? 

i somehow hope your right about carney, but my gut is saying it is going to the same as under justin....not sure how canadians can not see that....

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Who's this we you're taking about?

Literally everybody who reads your stuff  

 

 

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LMAO!

Oh look it's your little signature admission that you are wrong when you don't want to say you're wrong  

[TreeBeard]

Poilievre sounded downright giddy in his speech after he lost.  I think he is ecstatic not to win. He gets a nice vacation. When he’s back he will be in his comfortable spot as opposition leader where he can snarl and just oppose everything.  I’m not even sure he wanted to win!  He’d probably be wondering what the heck to do! 

[betsy]

10 hours ago, cougar said:

How so?

 

Sorry - I don't feel like giving a lecture today.

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