What will they do? I'm talking about the Conservatives after they lose this election.

[Barquentine]

So PeePee is losing an election he should have won. His party is already muttering and blaming him. Conservative premiers Ford and Houston won't endorse or even be seen with him, pointedly defining themselves as 'Progressive Conservatives". Poilevre is desperate, even trying to hide his policy of 'weeding out Wokeness".

Maybe if they'd had a better candidate... maybe if PeePee had been able to read the room and adapt, maybe if he'd listened to advice, ...

it looks lkie the CPC is basically a regional party of western grievances.

Their only hope is to morph back into a national party again, what they might have been if dumbass Peter Mckay hadn't given away the store to the Alliance .

Even if they are capable of doing that, it will still take a couple of election cycles to compete again.

When Pierre Poilievre
Realized that he'd never
Be Pm he sat down and cried
The polls all said no way
The voters yelled 'Go 'way
His campaign just rolled over and died

Of course if a miracle happens on Monday I submit myself for your ridicule.

You can pile on now, I'm gonna go do some yardwork.

[TreeBeard]

I’m not sure what the Cons do. They tried a more moderate Conservative in O’Toole and he seemed to be attacked within for daring to try and appeal to normal Canadians.  
 

If the Cons end up with 38% support, this is only 2% less than when Harper won a majority.  Back then, the NDP and Libs split the remaining vote to a great extent.  So this might signal to Conservatives that nothing much has changed and they’ll get them next time.  No need to appeal to a more Canadians if they think the NDP will bleed off Lib votes. 
 

I think the above is the most likely scenario.  Hang on to PP the rabid attack dog who speaks in slogans and hope the NDP do better next time. 
 

The other plausible scenario is that the more progressive, eastern/BC parts of the Con Party break off and we have two Con parties that are more regional in nature.  Maybe it will be PP vs. O’Toole battling for conservative voters in different parties.  
 

It will be interesting to see.  

[blackbird]

Don't hold your breath....  the Conservatives will either win the election or still stand strong in Parliament to face the destructive Liberal party as it continues to wreck Canada.  Liberals could continue down their spiral path of wrecking Canada and could cause a separation or break up of the country. 

The Liberal ideology is destructive and many know it.  Socialism and Marxism have failed wherever they have been tried. 

You want to be paying a fortune for groceries and continued uncontrolled crime on the streets, vote Liberal or NDP.

[TreeBeard]

7 minutes ago, blackbird said:

the Conservatives will either win the election or still stand strong in Parliament

There’s a bold prediction!  They will either win the election, or they won’t!  Haha

 

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Socialism and Marxism have failed wherever they have been tried. 

What do these have to do with the Liberal Party?  

[CdnFox]

LOL well i guess i can't blame you guys for a little salt after your hopes got dashed with Kamala  

And lets set aside that PP may very well still win and that would not shock me overmuch in this election 

But just to humour your spite and hatred   Lets say he loses 

Most likely it will be a liberal minority. And no NDP to prop them up. 

The CPC will still be riding at about 39 percent which is usually a majority. They'll review the election, learn from the mistakes and PP will get stronger just as harper did from his first loss in 2004. 

Over  the next 18 months canada will get to see the "new" libs. Carney will badly disappoint, more scandals will come out, he won't get anything done and the threat of trump will be greatly reduced by that point. Or it will be obvious that Carney can't fix it.  The deficit will be 50 percent to 100 percent higher, and homes and food will still be unaffordable. 

And the ndp will get a new leader who doesn't care about his pension and basically we'll be back to about where we were with justin.  And because the bloc will be happy to kill the parliament if the libs have a moment of weakness we'll bide our time till they're slumping and then pull the plug and try again. 

You're quite wrong. PP isn't losing this election, he's done better than almost every liberal AND conservative leader in the last 25 years.  If it weren't for trump scaring the ndp in to somehow voting for a rich billionare industrial banker who's job it is to help the rich avoid taxes that the poor needs (i will NEVER understand that  )  then he'd have had this election in the bag. 

But the ndp will recover as they always do and people will learn to hate carney as much as justin and there you go. 

The upside of that is that in about 2 years we'll probaby hit a bit of a growth spurt in the world economy, and it'll be the CPC who gets to ride that instead of being the ones to clean up the liberal messes.  For a change  

[SpankyMcFarland]

I never cease to be impressed by how resilient political leaders are. The low they experience in defeat must be extraordinary. You’re going from a life where you’re the focus and hope of all around you to being the despised and, even worse, pitied former leader subject to the unvarnished opinions of all your old comrades. It surprises me so few commit suicide. Indeed most bounce back impressively. 

While I’ve no predictions to make I’d say Carney has less to lose, obviously. This was a late vocation for him, un beau risque. For Poilievre it is his life’s work.

Edited 20 hours ago by SpankyMcFarland

[blackbird]

9 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

18 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Socialism and Marxism have failed wherever they have been tried. 

What do these have to do with the Liberal Party?  

Plenty.  That's the direction the Liberal-NDP coalition party leans.  It's all about control and globalist one world ideology.  They believe government knows what's best for everyone.  Individual freedom and entrepreneurs are ignored.

What do you say about all the catch and release of dangerous offenders happening daily?  Why are you not concerned about it?  Why do you support a party that does nothing about the crime?  Why do you think the rights of criminals should come before the safety of Canadians?

[TreeBeard]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

That's the direction the Liberal-NDP coalition party leans.

What policies/legislation passed was socialist/Marxist?

 

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

What do you say about all the catch and release of dangerous offenders happening daily?

What legislation was changed that has allowed this to happen?

 

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Why are you not concerned about it?

Because crime rates in Canada are low.  There has been an increase in recent years, but it’s still lower than it used to be.  
 

I think a lot of the increase has to do with wealth disparity and a lack of things like social housing.  We need more taxes on the wealthy and more social services, not less.  We certainly don’t need to pay the extravagant amounts it costs to put people in jail. 
 

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Why do you support a party that does nothing about the crime?  Why do you think the rights of criminals should come before the safety of Canadians?

These two comments are just you repeating slogans you heard.  Stop being so afraid. 

Edited yesterday at 05:19 PM by TreeBeard

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

What legislation was changed that has allowed this to happen?

There were a number of changes between 2017 and 2019 that allowed for this.

Poilievre talked about it and we have had lengthy threads about it here. The liberals absolutely did that. The police chiefs have all complained about it, the provinces have complained about it, the liberals promise to fix it, and yet here we are

I love your pretending that you never heard of it though despite all the discussion the endless newspaper stories the fact that it even came up in this campaign etc etc

[blackbird]

49 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

I think a lot of the increase has to do with wealth disparity and a lack of things like social housing.  We need more taxes on the wealthy and more social services, not less.  We certainly don’t need to pay the extravagant amounts it costs to put people in jail. 

You are willfully blind.  It's been discussed endlessly and on the news every day.  You are lying and pretending you don't know what is going on.

[TreeBeard]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

You are willfully blind.  It's been discussed endlessly and on the news every day.  You are lying and pretending you don't know what is going on.

So you think we have enough social housing so people aren’t homeless?  

[CdnFox]

Just now, TreeBeard said:

So you think we have enough social housing so people aren’t homeless?  

So you think 10 MORE years of liberals is going to change that considering the last 10 didn't?

[Michael Hardner]

Sad icon, for being a sore winner... Or expecting to be one.

 

We have a conservative PM, no reason to think he wouldn't have run for the CPC just as Doug Ford, Patrick Brown etc.

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Sad icon, for being a sore winner... Or expecting to be one.

 

We have a conservative PM, no reason to think he wouldn't have run for the CPC just as Doug Ford, Patrick Brown etc.

The problem is we don't. He's stealing the conservative platform because it's popular. But he's the same as he's been for the last 5 years when he was assisting the liberals that have been in power since 2015. He's absolutely no different, we will just get a continuation of what we have always had for the last 10 years

[taxme]

3 hours ago, Barquentine said:

So PeePee is losing an election he should have won. His party is already muttering and blaming him. Conservative premiers Ford and Houston won't endorse or even be seen with him, pointedly defining themselves as 'Progressive Conservatives". Poilevre is desperate, even trying to hide his policy of 'weeding out Wokeness".

Maybe if they'd had a better candidate... maybe if PeePee had been able to read the room and adapt, maybe if he'd listened to advice, ...

it looks lkie the CPC is basically a regional party of western grievances.

Their only hope is to morph back into a national party again, what they might have been if dumbass Peter Mckay hadn't given away the store to the Alliance .

Even if they are capable of doing that, it will still take a couple of election cycles to compete again.

When Pierre Poilievre
Realized that he'd never
Be Pm he sat down and cried
The polls all said no way
The voters yelled 'Go 'way
His campaign just rolled over and died

Of course if a miracle happens on Monday I submit myself for your ridicule.

You can pile on now, I'm gonna go do some yardwork.

Ya, go play in the garden. 

Wherever PP goes he has thousands of supporters attending his rallies especially in Ontario. Corney hardly has any supporters at his small gatherings. I prefer to think that Corney is the one in a panic. Corney is just another Turdeau, but even worse. If elected as the PM of Canada, we can all kiss the good old Canada goodbye. The WEF globalists will turn Canada into a globalist tyranny country where freedom of speech and assembly will not be tolerated especially if someone or some group are conservative. It will be the gulag for them. 

But i am not to worried about it all because if the lieberals win the election, it looks like Alberta may be set to separate from Canada and that would be the start and the end of Canada. 30% of Albertans are ready to separate from Canada, and if the lieberals win, it is said that the number could rise up to 50%. Things are getting serious in Alberta. 🤔

[herbie]

What should they do?
Stop listening to the advice of the right wing extremists and move themselves back towards the center where the votes lie.

What will they do is the question.

Probably become even more despicable and detrimental by continuing to mistake the loudness of the climate denying, but our taxes, anti-environment, anti-progress mob for the number of them.
Appealing to the deplorables doesn't seem to work quite as well in Canada,

[Queenmandy85]

Okay. The election in on Monday and the votes have not been counted. Mr. Poilievre has been giving the Liberals a head start but I have promised the CPC will win 183 seats. I admit to being a bit apprehensive. He is leaving it very late in the race to surge past the Prime Minister, but he will do it. 

 

[Army Guy]

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Sad icon, for being a sore winner... Or expecting to be one.

 

We have a conservative PM, no reason to think he wouldn't have run for the CPC just as Doug Ford, Patrick Brown etc.

Is that how your justifying your vote Michael, claiming Carney is a conservative....not even close, conservatives don't spend 630 bil over 5 years, knowing the condition of our debt load, and a banker to boat........liberals do that.... 

[Army Guy]

7 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

So you think we have enough social housing so people aren’t homeless?  

Just a question who was in power for the last 8 plus years....and how did our homeless situation become so bad...do we blame that on the NDP, or better yet PP....the liberals did not have a plan for 8 plus years what makes you think they are going to solve it with another term....it makes no sense....your vote, do with it what you want.  

[TreeBeard]

25 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Just a question who was in power for the last 8 plus years....and how did our homeless situation become so bad...do we blame that on the NDP, or better yet PP....the liberals did not have a plan for 8 plus years what makes you think they are going to solve it with another term....it makes no sense....your vote, do with it what you want.  

You mistake me for someone who thinks the Libs did a good job.  Of course, it’s provincial jurisdiction but I’d like to see the feds provide funds, at the very least.   We know Cons won’t do that. 
 

Like biological sex, politics is not binary, Libs or Cons.  

Edited 20 hours ago by TreeBeard

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

You mistake me for someone who thinks the Libs did a good job.  Of course, it’s provincial jurisdiction but I’d like to see the feds provide funds, at the very least.   We know Cons won’t do that. 
 

 

I don't think there's much mistake. Even if you support the NDP you're supporting the liberals. And if you support anyone else other than the conservatives then you're supporting the status quo While pretending falsely that you're above it

Dishonesty to say the least

Just like sex, you can pretend to be something else but at the end of the day you are what you are

[blackbird]

14 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

These two comments are just you repeating slogans you heard.  Stop being so afraid. 

No it's not slogans.  The stabbings, assaults by mentally ill criminals are reported on the news every day.  It would be better if it were not true and were just slogans.  But it is a fact the dangerous offenders are attacking people and businesses every day and being caught and quickly released by the courts and legal system.  Some have been arrested dozens of times for so many crimes, but still quickly released.  

[Queenmandy85]

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

No it's not slogans.  The stabbings, assaults by mentally ill criminals are reported on the news every day.  It would be better if it were not true and were just slogans.  But it is a fact the dangerous offenders are attacking people and businesses every day and being caught and quickly released by the courts and legal system.  Some have been arrested dozens of times for so many crimes, but still quickly released.  

The reason for that is there is not enough resources to hold them. The corrections system lacks the psychiatric specialists required to treat people. That is because the citizens don't want to pay the taxes needed to fund the corrections system.

A longer or harsher sentence has no affect on crime. Criminals ar deterred by the certainty of getting caught. For that, we need more police working under an establised community based policing model. Crime prevention should be the goal. The foundation is Peel's 9 principles. 

[CdnFox]

54 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The reason for that is there is not enough resources to hold them. The corrections system lacks the psychiatric specialists required to treat people. That is because the citizens don't want to pay the taxes needed to fund the corrections system.

A longer or harsher sentence has no affect on crime. Criminals ar deterred by the certainty of getting caught. For that, we need more police working under an establised community based policing model. Crime prevention should be the goal. The foundation is Peel's 9 principles. 

False across the board.

The resources are easily allocated. The problem is that the liberals especially have spent the money elsewhere and to the point where they have to borrow additional money. They just don't consider this to be a priority. Are you telling me we have 10 billion a year to spend on consultants who achieve nothing and are basically duplicating work that we already have people on the government payroll for, but there's not a dime for corrections?

And when did they even run on it? When did they run on putting more people behind bars if that's what Canadians want? They didn't. So pretending that Canadians have told them that they don't want criminals incarcerated is beyond ridiculous.

And in fact the police chiefs, premieres, and pundits and people from across the entire country have been screaming for it for some time. The fact is the only reason it doesn't happen is because the liberals do not believe that criminals should be behind bars. They believe they should be out on the streets immediately even if they have a long history of violent crimes and they have made that abundantly clear.

Don't try and blame this on the public. The public has been very clear that it does not want criminals let out to kill more people. And the money is definitely there

[blackbird]

57 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

A longer or harsher sentence has no affect on crime.

If a criminal is behind bars, he is not going to be stabbing or killing or robbing anyone. That is the important thing.  

That is why there should be longer sentences.  People who drink or take drugs and drive and kill someone get very light sentences in Canada.  That is wrong. 

If we need more bigger prisons politicians should build them.  Stop spending billions of dollars on trying to solve the problems in the rest of the world.  Canada spent four billion dollars in the middle east over a few years.

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Criminals ar deterred by the certainty of getting caught. For that

Not much deterrent in Canada with the soft-on-crime legal system and light sentences with easy bail and generous parole.

I heard some criminals even commit crimes just to get back into prison for a while because they don't like living on streets or the rents are too high.  The food is better in prison. 

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Crime prevention should be the goal.

That is a lofty fine sounding phrase, but it is not realistic.  Crime prevention must mean real punishment.   Stop the soft-on-crime system.  Once people commit crimes, they shouldn't have all the rights of law-abiding citizens.  The protection of society should come first, not the rights of criminals.