FEDERAL DEBATE SCANDAL

Goddess · Sunday at 08:44 PM

3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The bottom line is that the CBC and MSM are government-funded organizations that ask softball questions because they dare not bite the hand that feeds them. Canada is ideologically captured by parties that believe heavily in intervening in the free market, including the market of ideas. The CBC journalists criticizing Rebel News basically said speech should be compelled. That’s a threat to free speech and freedom of the press.

The questions you ask determine the range of possible answers. Many if not most Canadians would indeed like to know why the government ignored the burning down of around 200 churches on the basis of an unproven assumption of mass graves, a story that the CBC irresponsibly disseminated.

I don't really care for Rebel News' way of journalism. BUT......they have reported on things the mainstream media won't touch. Like making a quick phone call to the police to find out about the arson during the convoy. That's basic and NONE of the mainstream media even did that. Rebel News was also the first and probably ONLY outlet to report (this was some years ago when the Syrian refugees were coming over) that Syrian men in their 20's were claiming to be 15 or 16 and causing havoc and harassment with young girls in the high schools in Nova Scotia.

You can say Rebel is sensationalistic, but they do report things that the gov't paid media refuse to.

CouchPotato · Sunday at 09:11 PM

4 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I don't really care for Rebel News' way of journalism. BUT......they have reported on things the mainstream media won't touch.

Yeah, it's a double-edged sword. Some reporters are worse than others. One thing I have to give Rebel over some of the less sensationalist indie media is the fact that they are able to get people on the ground to cover some of these stories. It's more than a podcast. They are always out on the street. They cover international stories. Their reporters have been attacked. I remember one of them having urine thrown at her. Alexa Lavoie was pepper sprayed with convoy protestors. They had people going out and filming at Roxham Road years before I ever heard mention of it on mainstream TV or in parliament. I am really grateful for how they have stood by people facing draconian charges. Overall I really appreciate what Ezra has done. So much. I think Canada is lucky to have Ezra and those rebel reporters. Nobody else is in Canada is willing to do what they do.

eyeball · Sunday at 09:22 PM

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So the court has decided that they are legitimate journalists. They won that case, they are in fact legitimate journalists whether you like it or not

What's at issue is that they're political advocates. These have zero business being in a press pool of any sort in any capacity no matter what their ideology

That's not to say there isn't room for independent journalists but they shouldn't be registered political advocates as well.

They belong outside with the bloggers and influencers like any other mouthpiece with an opinion.

CouchPotato · Sunday at 09:38 PM

23 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What's at issue is that they're political advocates. These have zero business being in a press pool of any sort in any capacity no matter what their ideology

That's not to say there isn't room for independent journalists but they shouldn't be registered political advocates as well.

They belong outside with the bloggers and influencers like any other mouthpiece with an opinion.

But they won two court cases during the last previous elections which allowed them to be there. You may not like the decision. Those mainstream reporters may not like that decision. But they were granted the right to be there and ask four questions. There was no need of that Hills Times journalist flipping out at them. They did not cause the ruckus. They simply showed up at a debate they were told they were allowed to attend.

Furthermore, it's pretty sleazy to claim that somehow they were endangering people there and that Rosie Barton 'needed' to be escorted by security.

Edited Sunday at 09:46 PM by CouchPotato

Legato · Sunday at 09:40 PM

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What's at issue is that they're political advocates. These have zero business being in a press pool of any sort in any capacity no matter what their ideology

That's not to say there isn't room for independent journalists but they shouldn't be registered political advocates as well.

They belong outside with the bloggers and influencers like any other mouthpiece with an opinion.

So you want the CBC, CTV, etc kicked out of the press pool?

Or are you quite happy with double standards?

eyeball · Sunday at 09:46 PM

7 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

But they won two court cases during the last previous elections which allowed them to be there.

Then they shouldn't have shown up as political advocates.

eyeball · Sunday at 09:49 PM

7 minutes ago, Legato said:

So you want the CBC, CTV, etc kicked out of the press pool?

Of course I do if they show up in trucks with billboards wearing their registered political advocates hats.

Goddess · Sunday at 10:00 PM

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Of course I do if they show up in trucks with billboards wearing their registered political advocates hats.

This idea you have that criminals have to admit what they did or we can't hold them responsible no matter what the evidence is.....is INSANE.

I can see why you love the Liberals.

herbie · Sunday at 10:00 PM

Oh the deluded that think Rebel Media are Press journalists and American Republican owned Post Media is 'leftist' MSM....

same ones promoting all over Facebook to mark your ballot with a pen so they can't erase and change it if you use the pencil.... bring your own to ensure it's not erasable ink,

eyeball · Sunday at 10:03 PM

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

This idea you have that criminals have to admit what they did or we can't hold them responsible no matter what the evidence is.....is INSANE.

I can see why you love the Liberals.

WTF are you babbling about now?

Michael Hardner · Sunday at 10:03 PM

40 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What's at issue is that they're political advocates. These have zero business being in a press pool of any sort in any capacity no matter what their ideology

That's not to say there isn't room for independent journalists but they shouldn't be registered political advocates as well.

They belong outside with the bloggers and influencers like any other mouthpiece with an opinion.

Pick a lane...

WestCanMan · Sunday at 10:05 PM

36 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What's at issue is that they're political advocates.

CBC are political advocates as well. 100% they are. Moreover, they're liars as well.

I would have far more patience for the CBC if they were honest about the fact that they are LPOC advocates because that would leave the viewer with the knowledge that what they just heard was slanted.

For them to take the high-handed approach of saying "WE'RE THE JOURNALISTS HERE! THEY'RE ACTIVISTS!!!!", while CBC is actually lying and spinning to beat the band is just sickening. It's like watching Marion Jones call another athlete a steroid user while pretending that she was not.

Michael Hardner · Sunday at 10:08 PM

3 minutes ago, herbie said:

Oh the deluded that think Rebel Media are Press journalists and American Republican owned Post Media is 'leftist' MSM....

same ones promoting all over Facebook to mark your ballot with a pen so they can't erase and change it if you use the pencil.... bring your own to ensure it's not erasable ink,

Because newspapers require READING.

In Revolutionary Russia, the lumpen proletariat did not trust the literate.

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

CBC are political advocates as well. 100% they are. Moreover, they're liars as well.

I would have far more patience for the CBC if they were honest about the fact that they are LPOC advocates because that would leave the viewer with the knowledge that what they just heard was slanted.

For them to take the high-handed approach of saying "WE'RE THE JOURNALISTS HERE! THEY'RE ACTIVISTS!!!!", while CBC is actually lying and spinning to beat the band is just sickening. It's like watching Marion Jones call another athlete a steroid user while pretending that she was not.

Another guy who doesn't acknowledge the billboard vans...

Have you ever considered applying a standard to peoples behaviour?

eyeball · Sunday at 10:15 PM

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

CBC are political advocates as well. 100% they are. Moreover, they're liars as well.

Prove it or fùck off.

Every right wing conservative going back to Galileo's time and beyond has had the same fundamental grievance and grudge against people who report anything that pushes against their comfort zones.

Like I said, got any pictures of CBC trucks emblazoned with Fùck Poilievre signs on them?

CouchPotato · Sunday at 10:17 PM

Just now, eyeball said:

Like I said, got any pictures of CBC trucks emblazoned with Fùck Poilievre signs on them?

We have tons of video footage of MSM reporters acting like infants and then falsely claiming to be endangered. I'd say it's a wash, and that's being generous on our part.

Michael Hardner · Sunday at 10:17 PM

Just now, eyeball said:

Like I said, got any pictures of CBC trucks emblazoned with Fùck Poilievre signs on them?

They don't.

They're full of outrage, but only for the other guys. They're fine with their team making up their own rules.

This is why there's no working with them now...

CouchPotato · Sunday at 10:20 PM

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

They're full of outrage, but only for the other guys.

That's you guys, Mike. It's you guys losing your minds over a few questions and a van. It was MSM reporters who started acting like juveniles and closed down the debate questions for everyone. It was MSM reporters who were so dishonest they tried to claim Ezra and co. were putting them in danger. Have a kleenex. Put someone on ignore. You'll feel better.

Edited Sunday at 10:22 PM by CouchPotato

herbie · Sunday at 10:30 PM

13 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Because newspapers require READING.

In Revolutionary Russia, the lumpen proletariat did not trust the literate.

OMG you used a Marxist term, you're going to hear how that proves you're a communist by people who think saying that means they've 'won' the debate.

It's a truth that shows the rise of the Illiterati the many who've never darkened the doorway of a public library and rely on Facebook and Rebel/Fox news for information. The ones who found the card catalogue and Dewey decimal system "just too hard" but consider themselves computer literate because they can post, but are still hunting for that ANY key....

eyeball · Sunday at 10:35 PM

1 minute ago, CouchPotato said:

We have tons of video footage of MSM reporters acting like infants and then falsely claiming to be endangered. I'd say it's a wash, and that's being generous on our part.

Well, there's a good reason to stick with letting serious broadcasters who possess long established experience vet and schedule serious contenders for inclusion and rotation through press pools. It's to important an aspect of democracy to be left up to politicians and governments to determine.

It certainly shouldn't be a stupid popularity contest either but there should also be room for the occasional nut if for no other reason than to keep it honest provide some comic relief and as a reminder of why journalism is a serious sociopolitical necessity.

CouchPotato · Sunday at 10:38 PM

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Well, there's a good reason to stick with letting serious broadcasters

Are they serious when they start pretending to be victims whose lives are in danger by the very presence of Ezra? I would say that's at least (though I think it is more) sleazy as having the ad van there.

4 questions and it would have been over. Ezra didn't make a scene.

Edited Sunday at 10:39 PM by CouchPotato

Michael Hardner · Sunday at 10:46 PM

https://www.cija.ca/rebel_news_admits_it_owns_truck_displaying_anti_muslim_ads_citynews_toronto

This outfit drives a truck around Toronto with anti-Muslim messages in it. They also make their own news by rushing the PM's security detail and filming it.

Amoral ambulance chasing hypocrites.

Poilievre wants this to replace the CBC, I guess?

Anyway, I'm hoping that this massive genital wart on Canadian politics will wither away soon.

eyeball · Sunday at 10:50 PM

1 minute ago, CouchPotato said:

Are they serious when they start pretending to be victims whose lives are in danger by the very presence of Ezra?

Probably not, but remember you're talking about a government vetting commission that led to whatever happened. It likely wouldn't have happened if it had been professionals who know what they're doing that managed the media follow up to the debates.

WestCanMan · Sunday at 11:20 PM

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Because newspapers require READING.

In Revolutionary Russia, the lumpen proletariat did not trust the literate.

Another guy who doesn't acknowledge the billboard vans...

Have you ever considered applying a standard to peoples behaviour?

I already acknowledged it, thanks.

One group admits to being advocates, one doesn't.

eyeball · Sunday at 11:31 PM

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

One group admits to being advocates, one doesn't.

Because it's not.

Moonbox · Sunday at 11:48 PM

3 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

Everyone points out that everyone is forced to pay for media which doesn't ask those questions. We all are forced to pay for media that does not represent all of us.

Who's everyone?

The news isn't there to "represent you", and Rebel Media is not news and isn't interested in actually informing anyone. Don't take my word for that either. That was determined by a federal judge last September when Rebel's plea for public funding was denied (again) on the grounds that almost nothing they do qualifies as real journalism.

The overwhelming majority of Rebel's content was found to not only to have no factual basis or research behind it, but what little that did was being pulled and curated/rewritten by other sources.

Boohoo, Rebel doesn't get federal funding to make stuff up and repost what other people have written. Boohoo, Rebel doesn't get to seek out and stir up confrontations to subsequently cry about. 🙄