Liberal government's high immigration policy created housing crisis: report

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

So... the Conservatives shouldn't worry themselves over budget deficits or try to protect our borders or lower immigration or fight against Chinese influence or want lower taxes and smaller government because Orange man feels the same way?

Who said anything like that? 🙄

The point is that anything good he might be saying about the above is getting no traction because he's packaging it in low-brow Trump-style rhetoric.  It serves no purpose other than riling up the base, but worse than that, it turns off the Red Tories that Poilievre needs to break out of rural and western Canada purgatory.  As soon as he starts going off about "radical woke ideology", these folks stop taking him seriously and tune him out.  

[Michael Hardner]

29 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

  it turns off the Red Tories that Poilievre needs to break out of rural and western Canada purgatory.  

This Ontario Red Tory is sick of McCarthy era red-baiting, calling people Marxists, when the two parties are ideologically similar... saying the Nazis were socialists etc. etc.

Beyond the parallels to the new populism, it's just rude.  And please .... please don't tell me that Trudeau calling the convoy leaders racist (in French) is the same thing.  It's not.  Go look up Pat King's hilarious Ching-Ching Asian impersonation video if you need a refresher.

Cheers, Moonbox...

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

In your dreams.

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Who said anything like that? 🙄

That would be you.

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

The point is that anything good he might be saying about the above is getting no traction because he's packaging it in low-brow Trump-style rhetoric.  It serves no purpose other than riling up the base, but worse than that, it turns off the Red Tories that Poilievre needs to break out of rural and western Canada purgatory.  As soon as he starts going off about "radical woke ideology", these folks stop taking him seriously and tune him out.  

You think 'red tories' support DEI hiring and promotion? You think they welcome disorder in the streets, zombie addicts shuffling around, vandalizing things, attacking people, defecating on the sidewalk, shooting up in doorways while the police and courts go hands off? You think they embrace mandatory antiracism courses? That they approve of the whole trans agenda, including with children? You think they're delighted with ever higher immigration without screening newcomers, and without trying to integrate them?  

[I am Groot]

55 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

This Ontario Red Tory is sick of McCarthy era red-baiting, calling people Marxists, when the two parties are ideologically similar... saying the Nazis were socialists etc. etc.

I bet you're not sick of the way Liberals and other NDP types call the Conservatives fascists, racists, and 'far right' though. I bet you're not sick of them saying if the Tories got in they'd cancel gay marriage and ban abortions and immediately hand Canada over to the Americans. I don't recall any of that ever causing you to post about how 'sick you were' of it.

Because you're not.

Because you're a liberal. And agree with them.

 

 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Read the room.  Does sharing policies and rhetoric style with Trump, as Canadians unify against who he is, what he's doing and what he stands for, seem like good strategy to you??

 

Was this you big guy?

Supposed quote from Poilievre on joining Trump's war against 'woke, leftist ideology' is a fake | Fact Checking | thecanadianpressnews.ca

[Legato]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

This Ontario Red Tory is sick of McCarthy era red-baiting, 

 

Red? You are as blue as the sky on a clear summer day.

As evidence by you rhetoric after you posted that nonsense.

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

1. I bet you're not sick of the way Liberals and other NDP types call the Conservatives fascists, racists, and 'far right' though.  

1. Yeah, I referred to the example that is often cited and it's not the same thing.  If you can find Carney/Singh saying that the CPC are all racists, or that Poilievre himself is a racist please cite it and I will note that.

In the mean time, I'm not going to scurry around chasing dust devils with you.  Most of us know how Poilievre operates in the political sphere  Although I maintain that it has nothing to do with how he would do as PM, it is definitely a different mode from what we've seen and there's no argument there IMO.

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Yeah, I referred to the example that is often cited and it's not the same thing.  If you can find Carney/Singh saying that the CPC are all racists, or that Poilievre himself is a racist please cite it and I will note that.
 

I don't seem to recall you showing us a quote where Poilievre accused Carney or Singh of being a Marxist or red-baiting. Perhaps you can support that one first.

[josej]

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Yeah, I referred to the example that is often cited and it's not the same thing.  If you can find Carney/Singh saying that the CPC are all racists, or that Poilievre himself is a racist please cite it and I will note that.

In the mean time, I'm not going to scurry around chasing dust devils with you.  Most of us know how Poilievre operates in the political sphere  Although I maintain that it has nothing to do with how he would do as PM, it is definitely a different mode from what we've seen and there's no argument there IMO.

The problem is that both sides of the political spectrum are often guilty of demonising their opponents. This takes the focus away from the real problems - the economy, education, health care. People have had enough of the show, it's time to discuss the substance.

[Michael Hardner]

11 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I don't seem to recall you showing us a quote where Poilievre accused Carney or Singh of being a Marxist or red-baiting. Perhaps you can support that one first.

https://torontosun.com/news/watch-poilievre-calls-singh-a-maserati-marxist

 

 

[Moonbox]

21 hours ago, I am Groot said:

That would be you.

Then surely you can show that quote, right?

Of course you can't.  

21 hours ago, I am Groot said:

You think 'red tories' support DEI hiring and promotion? You think they welcome disorder in the streets, zombie addicts shuffling around, vandalizing things, attacking people, defecating on the sidewalk, shooting up in doorways while the police and courts go hands off? You think they embrace mandatory antiracism courses? That they approve of the whole trans agenda, including with children? You think they're delighted with ever higher immigration without screening newcomers, and without trying to integrate them?  

I would say that this sort of strawman and hyperbolic ranting is exactly what's turning red tories away.  🙃

[josej]

17 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Then surely you can show that quote, right?
You think 'red tories' support DEI hiring and promotion? You think they welcome disorder in the streets, zombie addicts shuffling around, vandalizing things, attacking people, defecating on the sidewalk, shooting up in doorways while the police and courts go hands off? You think they embrace mandatory antiracism courses? That they approve of the whole trans agenda, including with children? You think they're delighted with ever higher immigration without screening newcomers, and without trying to integrate them?  

Funny enough, I remember a political discussion group that took a trip to Memphis — we used coachamerica to get there. It was one of those moments where different perspectives clashed, but the ride itself was calm and well-organized. It really highlighted how structured travel can contrast with what feels like social chaos. Sometimes it takes leaving your city to see how others interpret the same national challenges.
Of course you can't.  

I would say that this sort of strawman and hyperbolic ranting is exactly what's turning red tories away.  🙃

But seriously - let's separate real problems, political manipulation and sincere attempts at reform. Not everything that is annoying is part of a global conspiracy.

[herbie]

23 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

This Ontario Red Tory is sick of McCarthy era red-baiting, calling people Marxists, when the two parties are ideologically similar... saying the Nazis were socialists etc. etc.

Seconded by a BC Blue Democrat.

[I am Groot]

5 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Then surely you can show that quote, right?

Read the room.  Does sharing policies and rhetoric style with Trump, as Canadians unify against who he is, what he's doing and what he stands for, seem like good strategy to you??

 

5 hours ago, Moonbox said:

I would say that this sort of strawman and hyperbolic ranting is exactly what's turning red tories away.  🙃

I don't think you know what a red tory is and I don't think you know what a strawman is either. I pointed out some of the aspects of 'woke' that you suggest red Tories would be angry that the Conservatives are opposed to.

You clearly don't have the ability to argue against that, which is why you deleted it even as you responded by calling it a 'strawman'. 

[I am Groot]

10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

https://torontosun.com/news/watch-poilievre-calls-singh-a-maserati-marxist

Give us a break. Calling Singh a Mazarati Marxist is just a simplistic rhetorical jab to the 'labour party' getting out of a Mazarati. 

10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well, daddy was certainly a Marxist/Communist at points in his life. Calling Justin a Marxist is wrong. He's too shallow to understand Marxism. 

[West]

The Liberal donors are capitalizing off of the over inflated housing market. Globalists who have destroyed what our forefathers have built. Sick individuals 

[Michael Hardner]

12 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Give us a break. Calling Singh a Mazarati Marxist is just a simplistic rhetorical jab to the 'labour party' getting out of a Mazarati. 

Well, daddy was certainly a Marxist/Communist at points in his life. Calling Justin a Marxist is wrong. He's too shallow to understand Marxism. 

Okay. I respect you for responding to my response to your request reasonably. 

 

But there it is, he did say it. 

 

So where are we with this? It's with the Canadian people and they will decide. 

From the Abacus poll about the debate, it seems like about half the Canadians watched some of it including me. 

From what I could see they were talking about important things, so maybe democracy is getting a bit better than it used to be. Cheers.

[WestCanMan]

On 4/17/2025 at 6:19 AM, Michael Hardner said:

https://torontosun.com/news/watch-poilievre-calls-singh-a-maserati-marxist

For a guy who gave Trudeau a pass on calling the un-'vaxed' "racists and misogynists", and then asking Canadians if we "should tolerate them", Mikey sure does get upset about PP correctly identifying the Trudeaus as communists. 

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/pierre-trudeau-really-really-loved-communists-canada-did-what-podcast

• Pierre Trudeau really, really loved communists | Canada Did What?!

Pierre even visited commies on his honeymoon.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/like-his-father-justin-trudeau-has-an-odd-affection-for-murderous-communist-regimes

• Like his father, Justin Trudeau has an odd affection for murderous communist regimes

Justin literally grew up bouncing on Fidel Castro's knee, and it's still possible that Castro is his father. Pierre left Margaret alone for a while during their honeymoon in the Caribbean. 

Regardless of who Justin's father actually is, his admiration for Fidel Castro was no secret. Trudeau's passionate eulogy about Fidel, the “remarkable, larger than life leader who served his people” left nothing to the imagination, aside from maybe truth, as usual.

[Moonbox]

In what world is this:

Read the room.  Does sharing policies and rhetoric style with Trump, as Canadians unify against who he is, what he's doing and what he stands for, seem like good strategy to you??

the same thing as:

So... the Conservatives shouldn't worry themselves over budget deficits or try to protect our borders or lower immigration or fight against Chinese influence or want lower taxes and smaller government because Orange man feels the same way?

?????

14 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I don't think you know what a red tory is and I don't think you know what a strawman is either. I pointed out some of the aspects of 'woke' that you suggest red Tories would be angry that the Conservatives are opposed to.

I'm not sure you even know what planet a red tory comes from.  As far as strawman goes, you have a pretty good example right there.  The idea that conservatives shouldn't worry about all of those things is something you just made up.  🙃

[I am Groot]

I don't know who did this either, but it's a hilarious use of AI.

 

https://x.com/RosieRocks29/status/1913430341060362618