Poilievre vs Conservatives

[TreeBeard]

Poilievre’s own party is forcing him to turn his back on his Alberta base with the secession talk.  It’s Conservative vs Conservative!  Imagine having to fight with other leaders in your party over whether secession is a good idea!  Poor Poilievre!

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7502543
 

Smith's exuberance over the tariff announcement did not sit well with two members of former prime minister Harper's cabinet, who pointed out that Quebec and Ontario are still facing 25 per cent tariffs on steel and aluminum, and automotive exports to the U.S. 

"With respect, Premier, this is not a good day for Canada or the world," James Moore said in a social media post. "When Alberta is economically attacked, it is bad for Canada. 

"Thousands of Canadians in the auto, steel, aluminum and other industries may be losing their jobs. This is not a 'BIG WIN.' Canadians stand together."

Describing the tariffs on auto imports as a "devastating blow to hundreds of thousands of good, honest, hard-working Canadians," Jason Kenney, also a former Alberta premier, told Ontarians in a social media post that "the vast majority of Albertans stand proudly with you, and have your back."

Kenney even went on to challenge Smith's position on energy, saying that "everything should be on the table" response-wise in order to "defend all industries and jobs" from U.S. trade action

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

It’s Conservative vs Conservative!  Imagine having to fight with other leaders in your party over whether secession is a good idea!

It was inevitable. Every right wing party seems to face the same problem in a democracy - their most hard-boiled supporters don't know when to quit and their party can't keep up.

The right wing is a direction not a place.

[taxme]

41 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Poilievre’s own party is forcing him to turn his back on his Alberta base with the secession talk.  It’s Conservative vs Conservative!  Imagine having to fight with other leaders in your party over whether secession is a good idea!  Poor Poilievre!

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7502543
 

 

Smith's exuberance over the tariff announcement did not sit well with two members of former prime minister Harper's cabinet, who pointed out that Quebec and Ontario are still facing 25 per cent tariffs on steel and aluminum, and automotive exports to the U.S. 

"With respect, Premier, this is not a good day for Canada or the world," James Moore said in a social media post. "When Alberta is economically attacked, it is bad for Canada. 

"Thousands of Canadians in the auto, steel, aluminum and other industries may be losing their jobs. This is not a 'BIG WIN.' Canadians stand together."

Describing the tariffs on auto imports as a "devastating blow to hundreds of thousands of good, honest, hard-working Canadians," Jason Kenney, also a former Alberta premier, told Ontarians in a social media post that "the vast majority of Albertans stand proudly with you, and have your back."

Kenney even went on to challenge Smith's position on energy, saying that "everything should be on the table" response-wise in order to "defend all industries and jobs" from U.S. trade action

The conservatives do not stick together like the liberals do. The conservatives will always fight among one another. There are still way too many woke progressive conservatives in the conservative party. Instead of being like Trump and challenging wokeism, PP does the opposite. It is wokeism, multiculturalism and massive 3rd world immigration that has and still is destroying Canada. And PP should have taken on those three subjects.

If i were PP, i would say that if elected he will eliminate the GST. That could possibly save Canadians thousands of dollars going to government coffers. PP could cut foreign aid as starters to make up for the loss of those dollars to the government. Just saying. 

Trump took on wokeism and he won the election. Trump was not afraid of what the MSM lying American media has to say. PP should be doing the same. But PP won't because he is too terrified of the Canadian lying media. The liberals have no fear of the Canadian media because the Canadian media has been bought and sold to the liberals. ☹️

[herbie]

The handful of ingrate Albertans has been given 10,000 X more press than they deserved since Day One. They deserve a good smack down and to be out in their place.
Merely a handful of shameless traitors who think For A Few Dollars More is a founding principle to build a country on.

[TreeBeard]

44 minutes ago, herbie said:

The handful of ingrate Albertans has been given 10,000 X more press than they deserved since Day One. They deserve a good smack down and to be out in their place.
Merely a handful of shameless traitors who think For A Few Dollars More is a founding principle to build a country on.

Didn’t they vote for a premier who is of that mind?  How could they be as fringe as you claim when Albertans elected a premier with these exact views?

Edited yesterday at 01:16 AM by TreeBeard

[August1991]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mark-carney-cbc-funding-1.7501902

Gimme a break.

[August1991]

2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Poilievre’s own party is forcing him to turn his back on his Alberta base with the secession talk.  It’s Conservative vs Conservative!  Imagine having to fight with other leaders in your party over whether secession is a good idea!  Poor Poilievre!

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7502543
 

 

Uh, missed the context.

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Make no mistake: Radio-Canada is not CBC.

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

The handful of ingrate Albertans has been given 10,000 X more press than they deserved since Day One. They deserve a good smack down and to be out in their place.
Merely a handful of shameless traitors who think For A Few Dollars More is a founding principle to build a country on.

Perhaps you can share more on your idea....what are the founding principles of our country and are any of them still practiced today....All that drives this country is money or the quest to have it....nobody does anything for nothing or patriotism anymore...everyone wants everything for nothing....

[August1991]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Perhaps you can share more on your idea....what are the founding principles of our country and are any of them still practiced today....All that drives this country is money or the quest to have it....nobody does anything for nothing or patriotism anymore...everyone wants everything for nothing....

I disagree, Army Guy.

We Canadians get along. I live in a city where some people can only speak one language; other people can only speak another language. Everyone knows accents.

Our Canada is remarkable in the world. We Canadians get along. 

[I am Groot]

15 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Poilievre’s own party is forcing him to turn his back on his Alberta base with the secession talk.

Drivel

15 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

 It’s Conservative vs Conservative!  Imagine having to fight with other leaders in your party over whether secession is a good idea!  Poor Poilievre!

That's not happening. But that you'd find this shocking just so drearily exemplifies the rigid, hierarchical dictatorship of parties that has become largely the custom in Canada - and almost nowhere else. The party leader is the absolute dictator and how dare anyone disagree in even the slightest way. If they do it's a scandal! Shocking! It's like you can't imagine the give and take of ideas and this even wandering into the public sphere the way it does in other countries. Like the UK, for example, where MPs will give interviews or even write newspaper columns critical of their leader and party policy. And they don't get expelled! Shocking!  Scandalous!  

 

15 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7502543

Otherwise known as state-owned, state-funded,  state-controlled media.

15 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Smith's exuberance over the tariff announcement did not sit well with two members of former prime minister Harper's cabinet, who pointed out that Quebec and Ontario are still facing 25 per cent tariffs on steel and aluminum, and automotive exports to the U.S. 

"With respect, Premier, this is not a good day for Canada or the world," James Moore said in a social media post. "When Alberta is economically attacked, it is bad for Canada. 

"Thousands of Canadians in the auto, steel, aluminum and other industries may be losing their jobs. This is not a 'BIG WIN.' Canadians stand together."

Describing the tariffs on auto imports as a "devastating blow to hundreds of thousands of good, honest, hard-working Canadians," Jason Kenney, also a former Alberta premier, told Ontarians in a social media post that "the vast majority of Albertans stand proudly with you, and have your back."

Kenney even went on to challenge Smith's position on energy, saying that "everything should be on the table" response-wise in order to "defend all industries and jobs" from U.S. trade action

You... do understand that Smith is not a member of the Conservative party, don't you? You do get that, right? You get that it's not a national party but a provincial party concerned with the well-being of Alberta? Nobody seems to be surprised when the Quebec Liberal party disagrees with the federal Liberals but somehow they pounce eagerly on any deviation between Alberta's United Alternative and the federal Conservatives.

15 hours ago, eyeball said:

It was inevitable. Every right wing party seems to face the same problem in a democracy - their most hard-boiled supporters don't know when to quit and their party can't keep up.

The right wing is a direction not a place.

Yes, but it's the right direction.

And the United Alternative is not the same party as the Conservative Party of Canada. I really don't get how you people don't understand this.

[I am Groot]

14 hours ago, herbie said:

The handful of ingrate Albertans has been given 10,000 X more press than they deserved since Day One. They deserve a good smack down and to be out in their place.
Merely a handful of shameless traitors who think For A Few Dollars More is a founding principle to build a country on.

Why is everything you write so... dumb?

A May 2020 poll by Northwest Research for the Western Standard found that 41% of respondents would support independence in a referendum, 50% would be opposed, and 9% weren't sure.

 

[I am Groot]

12 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Perhaps you can share more on your idea....what are the founding principles of our country and are any of them still practiced today....All that drives this country is money or the quest to have it....nobody does anything for nothing or patriotism anymore...everyone wants everything for nothing....

Hell, up until last month patriotism was a dirty word to the media and the Left. It suggested (gasp!) nationalism. And that might as well be ADOLPH HITLER! AHHHHG! AAAGHHh!

Now we see all these brainless lefties and liberals frantically waving maple leafs as if they weren't so recently calling it 'so-called Canada' the illegitimate, genocidal, racist state on stolen land with 'no core identity'. 

Now the same people who sneered at gun owners and wanted to ban all guns are bravely declaring they would fight to the last man to keep Canada independent.

Yeah. Okay.

[SpankyMcFarland]

16 hours ago, taxme said:

The conservatives do not stick together like the liberals do. The conservatives will always fight among one another. There are still way too many woke progressive conservatives in the conservative party. Instead of being like Trump and challenging wokeism, PP does the opposite. It is wokeism, multiculturalism and massive 3rd world immigration that has and still is destroying Canada. And PP should have taken on those three subjects.☹️

That’s not true of conservatives. They’ve usually been better at message discipline. 

Edited yesterday at 04:36 PM by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

Smith is a low functioning narcissist who has brought unnecessary conflict to everything she’s been involved in. 

[TreeBeard]

37 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Smith is a low functioning narcissist who has brought unnecessary conflict to everything she’s been involved in. 

The funny part is she’s hurting Poilievre’s chances of being elected.  He doesn’t need more fringe votes from separatists.  He needs votes from normal Canadians outside of the Prairies.  The Conservative brand being angry separatist if they don’t get their way won’t help him.  
 

Manning forced Poilievre to imply that a Liberal 4th term isn’t the end of the world!  He had to defend Carney winning!   But he couldn’t say anything that even implied he is pro-secession; that would have sealed the Cons’ electoral fate. 
 

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/poilievre-disagrees-ex-reform-boss-171850864.html

Manning wrote: “Voters, particularly in central and Atlantic Canada, need to recognize that a vote for the Carney Liberals is a vote for Western secession — a vote for the breakup of Canada as we know it.” 

While campaigning at a manufacturing plant in Kingston, Poilievre was asked whether he agrees with Manning’s statement.

“No, we need to unite the country,” he told reporters. “We need to bring all Canadians together in a spirit of common ground.

[CdnFox]

19 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

It’s Conservative vs Conservative!

It isn't. That's not happening. But it is part of the absolutely desperate narrative of the newspapers and other media to portray the conservatives in such desperate shape that conservative voters shouldn't give the money or even bother to show up voting.

This is becoming more apparent as we go along. People who are falling in the polls don't get 6500 people to their rallies plus a ton more who are disappointed they couldn't get in. And not just once but again and again.

Pools that have more reasonable methodologies are showing that the conservatives and the liberals are a hell of a lot more tight then some polls suggest, and this is before the debates.

The liberals believe that if they throw everything humanly possible the public to say the conservatives are failing, they're coming apart, they're disintegrating etc that people will abandon them and either switch parties or not go out to vote. I admittedly, that can be fairly effective tactic but it's very scummy

[Army Guy]

4 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

The funny part is she’s hurting Poilievre’s chances of being elected.  He doesn’t need more fringe votes from separatists.  He needs votes from normal Canadians outside of the Prairies.  The Conservative brand being angry separatist if they don’t get their way won’t help him.  
 

Manning forced Poilievre to imply that a Liberal 4th term isn’t the end of the world!  He had to defend Carney winning!   But he couldn’t say anything that even implied he is pro-secession; that would have sealed the Cons’ electoral fate. 
 

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/poilievre-disagrees-ex-reform-boss-171850864.html

Manning wrote: “Voters, particularly in central and Atlantic Canada, need to recognize that a vote for the Carney Liberals is a vote for Western secession — a vote for the breakup of Canada as we know it.” 

While campaigning at a manufacturing plant in Kingston, Poilievre was asked whether he agrees with Manning’s statement.

“No, we need to unite the country,” he told reporters. “We need to bring all Canadians together in a spirit of common ground.

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that Alberta is angry, But separation is another question, there is just not enough support for separation today...after an election win by liberals is another question....but let's say they do garner enough support what then, there will not be a Canada if Alberta or Quebec separate...That's the question we should be pondering and what we need to do today to prevent all of that....

It is one thing to brush it all aside as just rednecks talking in the background...But it would not take much to make it all real...

[Army Guy]

6 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Hell, up until last month patriotism was a dirty word to the media and the Left. It suggested (gasp!) nationalism. And that might as well be ADOLPH HITLER! AHHHHG! AAAGHHh!

Now we see all these brainless lefties and liberals frantically waving maple leafs as if they weren't so recently calling it 'so-called Canada' the illegitimate, genocidal, racist state on stolen land with 'no core identity'. 

Now the same people who sneered at gun owners and wanted to ban all guns are bravely declaring they would fight to the last man to keep Canada independent.

Yeah. Okay.

CTV had an article with several different opinions on what Canadians would do in event of invasion or take over....i find it funny to think Canadians would stand up in some kind of patriotic stand against the world's largest military in the world...Anyone that's even seen an insurgent war knows that it brings nothing but destruction, and death...for what exactly, so you can fly a canadian flag, or be called Canadians....Sorry it is going to take more than those little ideas to convenience Canadians to pick up arms and fight a superior force.

Canadians as a people are way to soft od a culture for this struggle...we don't have the same culture as the Taliban or Palestinians, or most middle eastern countries...Where dieing for a cause or becoming a martyr is not built into our ethos, Yes you may get a few....but once the bullets start flying it will not take long for the fight to be beaten out of most Canadians. After seeing entire towns or cities reduced to rubble, or not having the basics of life..the will to fight will be drained from you...I've seen this to many times to count....

If Canada had taken it's sovereignty seriously we would not be even talking about this scenario...All the excuses we used to just give up on our nations responsibilities is endless, really...we have no one but ourselves to blame...

Are we waking up, well i guess we will find out in a years time when all these campaign promises are either put to work or forgotten, like all the other lessons we have learned in the past and have long forgotten... my money is on we will forget until the next time...this is not the first time US has tariffed Canada nor is it Chinas first time, each time we stand up beat our chests and scream we will diversify our trade to prevent this from happening again...we learned nothing...

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/american-invasion-of-canada-would-spark-decades-long-insurgency-expert-predicts/

Edited yesterday at 09:20 PM by Army Guy

[eyeball]

32 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that Alberta is angry

Everyone is angry. What Albertans apparently need is a rocket scientist to explain why they should focus their anger in the same direction.

Maybe whoever Danielle Smith called to get the skinny on the UFO's buzzing around Alberta knows something.

[Army Guy]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Everyone is angry. What Albertans apparently need is a rocket scientist to explain why they should focus their anger in the same direction.

Maybe whoever Danielle Smith called to get the skinny on the UFO's buzzing around Alberta knows something.

They can't be that angry, if they are supporting the same party that put us in this position in the first place....that's not being angry that's being stupid, hoping the same party gives us a much different outcome...when it is the same people doing the same stuff....

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, Army Guy said:

They can't be that angry, if they are supporting the same party that put us in this position in the first place...

Liberals didn't start the trade war. You sound like someone who blames Ukraine for its invasion.

[herbie]

Nice of you to try to convince us that most Albertans are behind the foolish antics of Danielle and even refer to a 5 yr old poll from a separatist outfit as 'proof'.
Sorry to say, the reliance on the outdated opinion the 'only way' to solve dick shit is to pump up the production and export of oil, in spite of world economic conditions and tariffs is ridiculous.

[Army Guy]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Liberals didn't start the trade war. You sound like someone who blames Ukraine for its invasion.

It was the liberals that left this country weak,and trump is taking advantage of that... 

[TreeBeard]

5 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

It was the liberals that left this country weak,and trump is taking advantage of that... 

That argument just doesn’t fly with normal Canadians.  They don’t want a retrospective on who to blame; they want a plan for a leader who is best able to steer us through the USA turmoil.  
 

A career politician with no work experience and with no legislative record other than voting against everything, or the head of multiple national banks. 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Liberals didn't start the trade war. You sound like someone who blames Ukraine for its invasion.

Liberals weakend the country to the point we were vunerable to a trade war ]

And liberals gave us double the debt, unaffordable housing, unaffordable food, poor medical services, lower gdp per capita and the lower standard of living that comes along with it. Higher crime, higher inflation, more division. 

Etc etc. 

So yeah, the trade war did not put canada where it is today. Liberals did.