Nationalist Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 19 minutes ago, Hodad said: You are one delusional old biatch. I guess whatever fantasies help you get through the twilight years. And that SCOTUS ruling is another embarrassment--unsigned by the majority cowards--but it's still not as sweeping as you imagine. In fact, it implicitly confirms that these deportations are subject to judicial review, even if the cases must be filed individually in Texas. Lol...common sense trumps bat-shit looney-tunes Libbies. One more for the good guys. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
SpankyMcFarland Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 The Wall Street Journal on VAT (value added tax) that Trump imagines is a tariff: Quote “I think the U.S. is grossly overestimating its leverage here,” said Hinz. For these reasons, most economists think the U.S. is as likely to persuade other countries to abolish the VAT system as it is to impose yards and feet on the rest of the world—or as likely as the world is to impose VAT on the U.S. Quote
User Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 8 hours ago, Aristides said: If as Trump says, tariffs will raise 6 trillion, that will be the biggest tax increase since 1982, or 1968 depending on the source. https://www.forbes.com/sites/katharinabuchholz/2025/04/04/trumps-tariffs-biggest-tax-hike-since-1982/ And yet Republicans will still increase the debt by over 9 trillion over the next ten years. The myth of Republican fiscal responsibility. Once again... you just post pure ignorant crap. The original article you cited to claim 9 trillion did not take into account if Trump raised $$$ from tariffs. So here you are... trying to claim that it will "still" increase the debt. 5 hours ago, robosmith said: Too bad you KNOW NOTHING about "mentally fit" Dr. LUser. LOL, you are such a coward. You run away from countless threads and posts, hide from me, and then drop in just to call me names. Quote
Aristides Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 (edited) 13 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: The Wall Street Journal on VAT (value added tax) that Trump imagines is a tariff: Is he going to force all the states that have sales taxes to get rid of them? His tariffs are imposing a sales tax on all Americans who need or use imported products. Edited April 8 by Aristides 1 1 Quote
impartialobserver Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 Going to be interesting to see how far the DJIA and the S+P can fall. My unscientific prediction is that the DJIA will probably finally level out at 34K. That will affect folks retirements. It could rebound but not likely for awhile. Quote
robosmith Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 18 hours ago, Nationalist said: Lol...boasberg is going Down. Destroyed. Oh and now the SCOTUS has spoken. You dumb sh1ts are fcked You can't even cite the charges against Judge Boasberg. LMAO Quote
gatomontes99 Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 Since these tariffs are so bad for America, why are so many countries panicking and running to America to negotiate? Quote Nearly 70 countries have reached out about reaching deals on tariffs, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent told Fox Business Monday afternoon, calling the current tariff rates a “maximum” rate that could “come down” after negotiations. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2025/04/08/will-trump-negotiate-tariffs-president-wants-fair-deals-with-other-countries-but-unlikely-before-midnight-deadline/ The EU wants zero/zero tariffs for example. Why would they do that if the tariffs hurt the US? Vietnam, for example, sent an emergency delegation to start negotiations immediately. Why do that if the tariffs hurt the US? Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
gatomontes99 Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Aristides Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 16 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Since these tariffs are so bad for America, why are so many countries panicking and running to America to negotiate? The EU wants zero/zero tariffs for example. Why would they do that if the tariffs hurt the US? Vietnam, for example, sent an emergency delegation to start negotiations immediately. Why do that if the tariffs hurt the US? Trump doesn’t want zero zero, he wants to balance trade which can never happen for any country. Zero zero would mean the US would have to give up things like the 25% tariff it has had on light trucks since 1964. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 3 minutes ago, Aristides said: Trump doesn’t want zero zero, he wants to balance trade which can never happen for any country. Zero zero would mean the US would have to give up things like the 25% tariff it has had on light trucks since 1964. I didn't say he wanted zero and he doesn't want a trade balance. He wants a fair system. Before Trump, all the tariffs went against the USA and we allowed everyone else to invade our markets and steal jobs from us. 1 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Michael Hardner Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 2 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: He wants a fair system. Before Trump, all the tariffs went against the USA and we allowed everyone else to invade our markets and steal jobs from us. The system as it is made the USA the wealthiest nation. Unemployment is low. What is the purpose of this in light of these facts? 1 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Aristides Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 11 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: I didn't say he wanted zero and he doesn't want a trade balance. He wants a fair system. Before Trump, all the tariffs went against the USA and we allowed everyone else to invade our markets and steal jobs from us. Then he should have no problem with zero zero. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 16 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: The system as it is made the USA the wealthiest nation. Unemployment is low. What is the purpose of this in light of these facts? Better jobs. Less reliance on China for tech minerals. Lower debt. 8 minutes ago, Aristides said: Then he should have no problem with zero zero. Zero zero is not necessarily fair if the government subsidizes products. Airbus, for example, is heavily subsidized. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Aristides Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 10 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: Better jobs. Less reliance on China for tech minerals. Lower debt. Zero zero is not necessarily fair if the government subsidizes products. Airbus, for example, is heavily subsidized. So what, So is Boeing by the huge military contracts it gets from government. You spend around $900 billion on your military and are the world's largest arms exporter. That could also be seen as a subsidy. If you are going to put other country's government spending under a microscope, yours should have the same scrutiny. The US wants to elbow its way into Canada's agriculture when the US subsidizes its agriculture and Canada doesn't. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 12 minutes ago, Aristides said: So what, So is Boeing by the huge military contracts it gets from government. Contracts are not subsidies. 12 minutes ago, Aristides said: You spend around $900 billion on your military and are the world's largest arms exporter. That could also be seen as a subsidy. No it can't. You are using the feeling of the word rather than the meaning of the word. Rule #5. 14 minutes ago, Aristides said: The US wants to elbow its way into Canada's agriculture when the US subsidizes its agriculture and Canada doesn't. Fair enough. Sounds like a point of negotiation that can be made. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Aristides Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 (edited) 26 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: Contracts are not subsidies. They are government money going into an industry. This stuff can get really complicated, that's why we have dispute systems to sort them out. Trump doesn't like rules, he wants to make his own. Quote Fair enough. Sounds like a point of negotiation that can be made. If you want to talk national security, not giving up the ability to feed yourself and giving that control to someone else has to be near the top of the list. Edited April 9 by Aristides Quote
gatomontes99 Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 28 minutes ago, Aristides said: They are government money going into an industry. This stuff can get really complicated, that's why we have dispute systems to sort them out. Trump doesn't like rules, he wants to make his own. That's a huge logic leap. You've assumed I know what the connection is because you've made the connection. You need to be more clear. How does the definition of subsidy relate to Trump making his own rules. (Also, a POTUS's job is to make rules and enforce them, so I am not sure you can say that like it is a bad thing). Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Hodad Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: I didn't say he wanted zero and he doesn't want a trade balance. He wants a fair system. Before Trump, all the tariffs went against the USA and we allowed everyone else to invade our markets and steal jobs from us. That is a really fascinating victimhood spin on economic colonialism. 1 Quote
Aristides Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 57 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: That's a huge logic leap. You've assumed I know what the connection is because you've made the connection. You need to be more clear. How does the definition of subsidy relate to Trump making his own rules. (Also, a POTUS's job is to make rules and enforce them, so I am not sure you can say that like it is a bad thing). A POTUS doesn't get to make the rules for the rest of the world, it has its own ideas. Quote
CdnFox Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: I didn't say he wanted zero and he doesn't want a trade balance. He wants a fair system. Before Trump, all the tariffs went against the USA and we allowed everyone else to invade our markets and steal jobs from us. He doesn't want a fair system. I think we have to be honest here and recognize that what he wants is to try and drive businesses all over the world to open their businesses and invest in manufacturing and services inside America and not just sell finished goods. His language has been extremely clear. The trade system that America had with Canada was beyond fair. America had access pretty much unfettered to all of our resources and much of it including oil at vast discounts. That powered your economy and a hell of a lot of your homes. In exchange you were limited as to how many eggs and how much cheese you could sell us. Oh dear And you've always had limits on how much lumber we can sell you. Because we have better lumber and we're better at harvesting it and limits allowed your companies to invest and do what they could do and we accepted that. But these are issues that are dealt with over the negotiating table. You sit down and you negotiate and you work it out to make sure that it's balanced. You don't launch a trade war unless it is an absolute necessity. It does severe harm to the economy has the opposite effect that you hope As I said previously tariffs are like medicine. The right medicine at the right dosage properly administered can be life-saving and a huge benefit. But the wrong dosage of the wrong medicine taken him properly can kill you. The same is true of tariffs. They are not a blunt instrument to be applied like a hammer 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 35 minutes ago, CdnFox said: You don't launch a trade war unless it is an absolute necessity. It does severe harm to the economy has the opposite effect that you hope Yabut what about the value that Trump stickin' it to libbies brings to your existence? That's got to count for something. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
impartialobserver Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 the usual thought process with tariffs is that it incentivizes domestic production and makes importing more expensive. This comes with the assumption that domestic production can increase in the short term. This relies on the assumption that you have everything in place to simply increase production. Depending on the industry.. that is simply not the case. The reason that you import is not simply being charitable to country X. They can produce good X at a relatively lower opportunity cost than you. Sure we could produce Tequila in the US but doing so means that we have to use factors of production (land, labor, and capital) that were previously used for something else. instead of using the time, water, etc. to produce other drinks or grow crops, we would dedicate it to tequila. Inevitably, this would raise the cost of that good where if we import it.. the cost remains relatively low. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 4 hours ago, Hodad said: That is a really fascinating victimhood spin on economic colonialism. Yeah...ok master economists. Whatever you say. 3 hours ago, Aristides said: A POTUS doesn't get to make the rules for the rest of the world, it has its own ideas. What rule did he make for everyone else? He's just establishing a baseline for tariffs if they use tactics he doesn't like. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
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