blackbird Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 The constant TV political ads trying to tie PP to Trump is the biggest proof of all how low Liberals will stoop. There is no similarity at all between PP and Trump. PP promises to rebuild Canada and our economy versus Liberals squandering billions of dollars on other countries and everything under the sun. Liberals have spent more on trying to placate first nations than they have spent on health care, which is in a crisis. 1 1 Quote
Chrissy1979 Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 It's not like Polievre says all the same things...and has all the same supporters. Maybe you should be brave and accept who you are. https://fb.watch/ypvajI4cxX/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v 1 1 Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 Canadians who have admired Trump are more likely to support PP or PPC, I would say. You can still see that affinity in what they write online. 1 Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 22 minutes ago, blackbird said: The constant TV political ads trying to tie PP to Trump is the biggest proof of all how low Liberals will stoop. Seems like a smart ad, to me. Not so long ago, Canadian conservatives were happy he was going to be like Trump. Now it is coming back to bite him in the buttocks and people like you are trying to say you don’t like Trump now. Well, lie with dogs and you’re bound to get flees. 1 Quote
myata Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 (edited) No no, it's simpler than that really: did he say it, all those things or not? What is the truth of the matter? There has to be a clear, final answer yes, or no. Truth, the objective reality they exist remember? They are not "opinion based". Edited March 18 by myata Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
ironstone Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 Trump is America first and I hope PP will put Canada first. Nothing wrong with that. It's certainly preferable to WEF first😉 2 Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
blackbird Posted March 18 Author Report Posted March 18 (edited) 37 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Seems like a smart ad, to me. Not so long ago, Canadian conservatives were happy he was going to be like Trump. Now it is coming back to bite him in the buttocks and people like you are trying to say you don’t like Trump now. Well, lie with dogs and you’re bound to get flees. You're full of lies. Liberals hope lies will enable them to win. Well they might but that is only because people like you will believe anything. Trump and what he claimed or does has nothing to do with how PP wish to solve the problems caused by the Liberals in Canada. Building a better country has nothing to do with Trump. Canada is a sovereign nation. It was Trudeau and Liberals like yourself who don't believe in Canada and opened the border to every migrant who wanted to walk in and put them on the dole. You allow all the criminals to have free reign in Canada. Canada is a joke under you liberals. Edited March 18 by blackbird Quote
blackbird Posted March 18 Author Report Posted March 18 (edited) 57 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Canadians who have admired Trump are more likely to support PP or PPC, Nonsense! How do you know Conservatives admire Trump? Did some fairy tell you or was it a Liberal lie ad on TV? You are just another liberal or lefty trying to use Trump as an excuse to re-elect the lefty liberals. Very few people even support the PPC although they would likely be better than any NDP or Liberal government, which has made a total mess out of our fine country. Probably less than 5% of voters would support the PPC and probably around the same support for the Green Party, another left wing fringe party. Now since Trump was elected and his true madness has been revealed almost nobody in Canada would support him. But if you want to support a pack of liars go ahead. The country could still be wrecked further by the liberal left. We know the liberal left has made a total disaster out of the health care system. But it could get worse if the Liberals are re-elected and realize how easy it is to lie and get away with it. Edited March 18 by blackbird Quote
eyeball Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 Just now, blackbird said: Now since Trump was elected and his true madness has been revealed almost nobody in Canada would support him. That's because the true nature of Trump is so overtly right-wing the whole conservative brand is causing people to recoil from it. 1 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
blackbird Posted March 18 Author Report Posted March 18 (edited) 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: That's because the true nature of Trump is so overtly right-wing the whole conservative brand is causing people to recoil from it. No, Trump's madness is not conservative ideology in the Conservative Party of Canada. Go to the CPC website and read their policy document and learn the facts instead of lying as you always do. You might learn something and maybe someday make an intelligent comment. Edited March 18 by blackbird Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 18 minutes ago, blackbird said: Trump and what he claimed or does has nothing to do with how PP wish to solve the problems Oh, he’s our own version of Trump right up until a couple weeks ago when they realized being really angry about Canada isn’t a great strategy anymore. It works on people like yourself, but the average Canadian voter doesn’t hate the country based on their feelings about Trudeau. https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pierre-poilievre-justin-trudeaus-main-rival-in-canada-has-donald-trump-like-tendencies-7274779 For Felix Mathieu, a politics professor at the University of Winnipeg, "the parallels between Mr Poilievre and Mr Trump are growing." "Like Mr Trump, he does not necessarily seek to rely on rational discourse, he relies on slogans, and he seeks to generate popular fervor more than support for ideas." Representing the right wing in the western part of the country and strongly influenced by US conservatives, he has not hesitated in the past to share links to false information on social media if it bolsters his position. In 2022, he supported a truckers' lockdown of the capital Ottawa over their opposition to vaccine mandates and other protocols aimed at containing the spread of Covid-19. Recently, he shared on social media platform X a petition that rails against an alleged government plan to impose a "global woke program" on Canadians aimed at making everyone eat insects. No such program exists. That move was a way for the party to collect the contact information of possible supporters, but also to exploit Canadians' exasperation with the political status quo, Mathieu said. Quote
eyeball Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 15 minutes ago, blackbird said: No, Trump's madness is not conservative ideology in the Conservative Party of Canada. Go to the CPC website and read their policy document and learn the facts instead of lying as you always do. I'm not lying, PP and Trump are as right wing as you are. Are you suggesting you're actually left wing? I don't believe it. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ExFlyer Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 1 hour ago, myata said: No no, it's simpler than that really: did he say it, all those things or not? What is the truth of the matter? There has to be a clear, final answer yes, or no. Truth, the objective reality they exist remember? They are not "opinion based". You? On the side of truth??? The big question is whose truth will we believe? Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
CdnFox Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 1 hour ago, Chrissy1979 said: It's not like Polievre says all the same things...and has all the same supporters. Maybe you should be brave and accept who you are. https://fb.watch/ypvajI4cxX/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v The vast majority of those things weren't actually him saying the same thing as what trump was saying. They were referring to completely different things but you took half a sentence that sounds similar and tried to pass it off as being the same thing. Got bad news for you, I can find clips of democrats saying almost as exact same words. This is no different than the democrat strategy of constantly calling Trump Hitler, or when they tried to pass off shear as a white supremacist or O'Toole as anti-vax and pro-covid, all your side does is lie about the other guy and hope that they can scare people into silence for a short enough time to win an election 2 2 Quote
blackbird Posted March 18 Author Report Posted March 18 (edited) 14 minutes ago, eyeball said: I'm not lying, PP and Trump are as right wing as you are. Are you suggesting you're actually left wing? I don't believe it. If you think Trump and PP are the same, then you don't know a thing. Even a kindergarten kid would know the difference is like night and day. Edited March 18 by blackbird Quote
blackbird Posted March 18 Author Report Posted March 18 (edited) 23 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: For Felix Mathieu, a politics professor at the University of Winnipeg, "the parallels between Mr Poilievre and Mr Trump are growing." You should know universities are full of radical lefties and Marxists. Take what he says in that light. Especially a "politics professor". That should tell you right away he is a radical leftist and therefore anti-conservative. But then again, maybe that is how you are too, eh. Edited March 18 by blackbird Quote
Chrissy1979 Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 4 minutes ago, blackbird said: You should know universities are full of radical lefties and Marxists. Take what he says in that light. Especially a "politics professor". That should tell you right away he is a radical leftist and therefore anti-conservative. But then again, maybe that is how you are too, eh. Maybe they're just full of people who don't get fooled by Russian memes. Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 7 minutes ago, blackbird said: politics professor What did the political scientist say in that quote that was incorrect? Quote
blackbird Posted March 18 Author Report Posted March 18 1 minute ago, Chrissy1979 said: Maybe they're just full of people who don't get fooled by Russian memes. Universities seem to be a natural attraction for liberal lefties who believe in government liberal ideology and control of society. That means they hate conservatives which believe in personal, individual freedom versus liberal/big government intervention and control of society, every individual, and every thing that goes on in society. Quote
blackbird Posted March 18 Author Report Posted March 18 (edited) 4 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: What did the political scientist say in that quote that was incorrect? Everything he said about PP is assumption and twisting the truth to fit his agenda of a liberal lefty. Read it yourself. Not factual. It is purely a leftist perspective with a phony attack on PP. Again conservative believe in individual freedom and less government intervention in society, business and every facet of life, while liberals and leftists believe in big government (big brother) control and intervention in everyone's business and life. It is because of liberal tax and spend and control of society that Canada is such a mess and investment is driven away. Edited March 18 by blackbird Quote
eyeball Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 11 minutes ago, blackbird said: If you think Trump and PP are the same, then you don't know a thing. Even a kindergarten kid would know the difference is like night and day. Well sure, you're a Christian PP is an atheist, apparently, and Trump is an abject sinner. But above all else you're all quite right wing and conservative. What takes precedence or matters the most here? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
blackbird Posted March 18 Author Report Posted March 18 Just now, eyeball said: Well sure, you're a Christian PP is an atheist, apparently, and Trump is an abject sinner. But above all else you're all quite right wing and conservative. What takes precedence or matters the most here? What matters in politics is one's ideology on personal freedom versus government control. You obviously blindly believe government is your savior and you trust them for everything. Quote
Chrissy1979 Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 5 minutes ago, blackbird said: Universities seem to be a natural attraction for liberal lefties who believe in government liberal ideology and control of society. That means they hate conservatives which believe in personal, individual freedom versus liberal/big government intervention and control of society, every individual, and every thing that goes on in society. You guys aren't conservatives and nobody loves big government intervention and control of society more than you Trump fascists. 1 Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 (edited) 4 minutes ago, blackbird said: Everything he said… Just pick one, and we can discuss it on its merits. 4 minutes ago, blackbird said: It is because of liberal tax and spend and control of society that Canada is such a mess and investment is driven away. What investment has been driven away, specifically and what policies drove it away? Edited March 18 by TreeBeard Quote
Legato Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 7 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: What did the political scientist say in that quote that was incorrect? Incorrect question. What did the guy say that did not have ant left wing bias would be the correct question Quote
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