Did Democrats Sabotage Minerals Deal Just Before Oval Office Meeting?

[User]

This doesn't look good. The American people deserve to know exactly what Democrats were telling Zelensky in this meeting. 

 

“Just finished a meeting with President Zelensky here in Washington. He confirmed that the Ukrainian people will not support a fake peace agreement where Putin gets everything he wants and there are no security arrangements for Ukraine,” Murphy’s office posted on X at 11:15 a.m. Friday.

He attached a picture of Zelensky at a conference table, with Murphy seated on the opposite side."

https://nypost.com/2025/03/01/opinion/dems-lead-zelensky-ukraine-off-a-cliff-with-pressure-to-reject-mineral-deal/?fbclid=IwY2xjawIxcHxleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHVWRB5sF93SCaVTDjV-j3Xsau9XIPsw7Wr8gS-g1z9A-CFs6M2T6_j4ejA_aem_6FQBadyyvpTD45qv1rGu1w

[robosmith]

Nope, it was Trump's flunkies that negotiated that deal.

But it looks like Murdoch's tabloid trash told you ^what YOU WANTED TO HEAR. LMAO

[User]

10 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Nope, it was Trump's flunkies that negotiated that deal.

But it looks like Murdoch's tabloid trash told you ^what YOU WANTED TO HEAR. LMAO

Nope... what? Your statement about Trump negotiating the minerals deal has nothing to do with what Democrats were doing in this meeting. 

This was a picture posted by Democrat Senator Murphy with the message from Democrat Senator Murphy. 

The taploid trash did not do anything more than post this Op/Ed sharing that information. 

Once again, you can't argue the facts, so you just play the dishonest game of attacking the source. 

[myata]

That's it the diagnosis. Anyone with a single working cell in the brain saw in live feed with own eyes who sabotaged it and how too.

Edited March 2, 2025 by myata

[User]

4 minutes ago, myata said:

That's it the diagnosis. Anyone with a single working cell in the brain saw in live feed with own eyes who sabotaged it and how too.

Yes, we did. Zelensky. 

Did you have any comments on this thread and the evidence here? 

[WestCanMan]

20 minutes ago, myata said:

That's it the diagnosis. Anyone with a single working cell in the brain saw in live feed with own eyes who sabotaged it and how too.

There's no Google translate for "Pidgin English to English"... Do you want to take another run at that?

Look at this, Pinocchio:

That's Zelenski getting grilled for not accepting a cease-fire.

1. Do you know what a cease-fire is?
2. Is there a the difference between a cease-fire and a peace-settlement, and if so, what is it?
3. Can you name 1 good reason why Zelenski isn't accepting a cease-fire?
4. Can you tell me what's happening right now, in the absence of a cease-fire? 

Tick-tock..., you silly little TikTok. 

[myata]

A patented !diot and a pathologically compulsive liar "accuses"? This is a clinical story, right? Only these aren't really medical forums in case you overlooked. Of course, can happen to anyone.

[eyeball]

Did Democrats Sabotage Minerals Deal Just Before Oval Office Meeting?

This author is just extending the Republican trope that Ukraine started it to Democrats. 

Despite knowing...

...that the president made foolish comments two weeks ago suggesting Ukraine started the war...

Republicans chomped back a lot of their own bait on Friday when Trump revealed it's all about Joe, Hunter and a laptop and now they have the entire world rallying against them.

In a perverse way, Murphy and other Dems got the outcome they wanted. The fireworks at the White House gave them an excuse to replay their Russia Russia Russia hoax.

Like I said, Trump is who brought it up not Zelenskyy.

[Scott75]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

This author is just extending the Republican trope that Ukraine started it to Democrats. 

Despite knowing...

...that the president made foolish comments two weeks ago suggesting Ukraine started the war...

They did:

**

In fact, as early as February 16 [2022], Joe Biden knows that the Ukrainians began to shell the civilian populations of Donbass, putting Vladimir Putin in front of a difficult choice: to help Donbass militarily and create an international problem or to sit idle and watch Russian speakers from the Donbass being run over.

If he decides to intervene, Vladimir Putin can invoke the international obligation of “  Responsibility To Protect  ” (R2P). But he knows that whatever its nature or scale, the intervention will trigger a shower of sanctions. Therefore, whether its intervention is limited to the Donbass or whether it goes further to put pressure on the West for the status of Ukraine, the price to be paid will be the same. This is what he explains in his speech on February 21.

That day, he acceded to the request of the Duma and recognized the independence of the two Republics of Donbass and, in the process, he signed treaties of friendship and assistance with them.

The Ukrainian artillery bombardments on the populations of Donbass continued and, on February 23, the two Republics requested military aid from Russia. On the 24th, Vladimir Putin invokes Article 51 of the United Nations Charter which provides for mutual military assistance within the framework of a defensive alliance.

In order to make the Russian intervention totally illegal in the eyes of the public we deliberately obscure the fact that the war actually started on February 16th. The Ukrainian army was preparing to attack the Donbass as early as 2021, as certain Russian and European intelligence services were well aware… The lawyers will judge.

**

Full article:

https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/

Edited March 2, 2025 by Scott75

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, Scott75 said:

They did:

No, Putin invaded Crimea not the Democrats.

I'm afraid your source also comes with a variety of enormous holes in his credibility starting with this...

In 2009, Jacques Baud claimed that Osama Bin Laden was not involved in the attacks of September 11, 2001...

He still maintains this theory in 2016: "There is no proof that he played the slightest role in organizing attacks.

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Baud

 

[WestCanMan]

21 minutes ago, myata said:

A patented !diot and a pathologically compulsive liar "accuses"? This is a clinical story, right? Only these aren't really medical forums in case you overlooked. Of course, can happen to anyone.

I never know what that f'ing clown is trying to say or who he's talking to.

That account might just a malfunctioning propaganda/drivel-bot.

[WestCanMan]

19 minutes ago, Scott75 said:

They did:

**

In fact, as early as February 16 [2022], Joe Biden knows that the Ukrainians began to shell the civilian populations of Donbass, putting Vladimir Putin in front of a difficult choice: to help Donbass militarily and create an international problem or to sit idle and watch Russian speakers from the Donbass being run over.

If he decides to intervene, Vladimir Putin can invoke the international obligation of “  Responsibility To Protect  ” (R2P). But he knows that whatever its nature or scale, the intervention will trigger a shower of sanctions. Therefore, whether its intervention is limited to the Donbass or whether it goes further to put pressure on the West for the status of Ukraine, the price to be paid will be the same. This is what he explains in his speech on February 21.

That day, he acceded to the request of the Duma and recognized the independence of the two Republics of Donbass and, in the process, he signed treaties of friendship and assistance with them.

The Ukrainian artillery bombardments on the populations of Donbass continued and, on February 23, the two Republics requested military aid from Russia. On the 24th, Vladimir Putin invokes Article 51 of the United Nations Charter which provides for mutual military assistance within the framework of a defensive alliance.

In order to make the Russian intervention totally illegal in the eyes of the public we deliberately obscure the fact that the war actually started on February 16th. The Ukrainian army was preparing to attack the Donbass as early as 2021, as certain Russian and European intelligence services were well aware… The lawyers will judge.

**

Full article:

https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/

Did CNN say any of that?

No.

And until they do, leftards can't acknowledge a shred of it.

 

CNN: "An anonymous source near the WH says that Trump said he's going to nuke Toledo, but Trump denies it"

Leftards: "OMG, Trump is going to nuke Toledo!!!"

 

*Video shows Zelensky and Hunter doing lines with Burisma CEO and Joe Biden, but CNN doesn't air the video*...

Leftards in 2025: "Joe Biden didn't know anything about Hunter's overseas business dealings. He and Hunter both said that, and CNN never denied it, so it's true."

 

That's who you're dealing with here. 

[robosmith]

26 minutes ago, Scott75 said:

They did:

**

In fact, as early as February 16 [2022], Joe Biden knows that the Ukrainians began to shell the civilian populations of Donbass, putting Vladimir Putin in front of a difficult choice: to help Donbass militarily and create an international problem or to sit idle and watch Russian speakers from the Donbass being run over.

If he decides to intervene, Vladimir Putin can invoke the international obligation of “  Responsibility To Protect  ” (R2P). But he knows that whatever its nature or scale, the intervention will trigger a shower of sanctions. Therefore, whether its intervention is limited to the Donbass or whether it goes further to put pressure on the West for the status of Ukraine, the price to be paid will be the same. This is what he explains in his speech on February 21.

That day, he acceded to the request of the Duma and recognized the independence of the two Republics of Donbass and, in the process, he signed treaties of friendship and assistance with them.

The Ukrainian artillery bombardments on the populations of Donbass continued and, on February 23, the two Republics requested military aid from Russia. On the 24th, Vladimir Putin invokes Article 51 of the United Nations Charter which provides for mutual military assistance within the framework of a defensive alliance.

In order to make the Russian intervention totally illegal in the eyes of the public we deliberately obscure the fact that the war actually started on February 16th. The Ukrainian army was preparing to attack the Donbass as early as 2021, as certain Russian and European intelligence services were well aware… The lawyers will judge.

**

Full article:

https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/

In Feb 2022 Putin's soldiers had ALREADY INVADED DONBAS.

Ukraine was shelling Putin's soldiers known colloquially as "little green men" because they had no ID on their uniforms.

Just now, WestCanMan said:

Did CNN say any of that?

No.

And until they do, leftards can't acknowledge a shred of it.

 

CNN: "An anonymous source near the WH says that Trump said he's going to nuke Toledo, but Trump denies it"

Leftards: "OMG, Trump is going to nuke Toledo!!!"

 

*Video shows Zelensky and Hunter doing lines with Burisma CEO and Joe Biden, but CNN doesn't air the video*...

Leftards in 2025: "Joe Biden didn't know anything about Hunter's overseas business dealings. He and Hunter both said that, and CNN never denied it, so it's true."

 

That's who you're dealing with here. 

CNN wouldn't say that because it's WRONG. Duh

[suds]

Things are beginning to make a bit more sense now. So this meeting in the Oval Office with the press and television crews present was a lead up to the signing of the 'minerals deal' which was to take place shortly after a question and answer period. That was supposed to be it as everything was agreed on beforehand. It was understood that any security commitments to Ukraine would be discussed later as they also involved Nato, and Europe (in particular U.K. and France). And In Lindsay Graham's own words it turned out to be a disaster. Maybe the meeting should have been cut a lot shorter. I can understand emotions running a little high on everyone's part, but there was nothing nefarious about it, what happened, happened. If I was Zelenski I'd apologize and arrange another meeting simply because Ukraine in my opinion has the most to lose. To be clear though, I'm not blaming either Zelenski or Trump for the disengagement.

[herbie]

Democrats didn't do anything at all. Not even condemn the disgusting blackmail idea of the idea.

The Mango Mor0n managed to destroy it single handed by not controlling his obnoxious fat mouth. No help needed, not even JD Vance jumping in to ensure it failed.

[suds]

8 minutes ago, herbie said:

Democrats didn't do anything at all. Not even condemn the disgusting blackmail idea of the idea.

The Mango Mor0n managed to destroy it single handed by not controlling his obnoxious fat mouth. No help needed, not even JD Vance jumping in to ensure it failed.

I agree that when J.D. jumped in everything started going downhill. On the other hand maybe everyone should have just stuck to the script. Or had the deal signing first and then the question and answer period afterwards.

Edited March 2, 2025 by suds

[WestCanMan]

15 minutes ago, suds said:

Things are beginning to make a bit more sense now. So this meeting in the Oval Office with the press and television crews present was a lead up to the signing of the 'minerals deal' which was to take place shortly after a question and answer period. That was supposed to be it as everything was agreed on beforehand. It was understood that any security commitments to Ukraine would be discussed later as they also involved Nato, and Europe (in particular U.K. and France). And In Lindsay Graham's own words it turned out to be a disaster. Maybe the meeting should have been cut a lot shorter. I can understand emotions running a little high on everyone's part, but there was nothing nefarious about it, what happened, happened. If I was Zelenski I'd apologize and arrange another meeting simply because Ukraine in my opinion has the most to lose. To be clear though, I'm not blaming either Zelenski or Trump for the disengagement.

I don't think that they should have cut it shorter. 

I think that we all learned something from that conversation, and it's something that CNN et al never would have allowed their cultist dolts to hear: Zelenski is against a cease-fire. 

I don't really care about the mineral deal. Whether it's a workaround for the US to get troops on Ukrainian soil without them joining NATO - ostensibly to protect their own rights - or if it's legitimately for the US to get some money back, I don't care about it. I just want the war to end.

 

One last thing: Trump's solution to the end of the war is "brilliant" from an old-school colonizationist POV: Russia gets part of Ukraine and all the natural resources there, the US gets an embarrassment of mineral wealth which is actually quite a strategic haul militarily, and the proxy war is over. Ukraine, after losing all that land and burying all their children, just gets one last shot up the arse. 

The Demis and their cultist-dolt horde would love it if Biden got that deal signed, but of course the Dems would sabotage a coup like that for Trump. 

Edited March 2, 2025 by WestCanMan

[West]

 

Well we know that thugs are threatening journalists who are critical of the Ukraine..

[suds]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I don't really care about the mineral deal.

 The minerals deal is an extremely important aspect of bringing Russia to the negotiations table. For one thing it helps get them off the hook in regards to reparations for damages done to Ukraine.

Edited March 2, 2025 by suds

[suds]

2 hours ago, myata said:

That's it the diagnosis. Anyone with a single working cell in the brain saw in live feed with own eyes who sabotaged it and how too.

Yep, you saw a 'live feed' with your own eyes and are still blind. Why in hell would anyone want to sabotage a deal that they themselves proposed in the first place?????

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, suds said:

 The minerals deal is an extremely important aspect of bringing Russia to the negotiations table. For one thing it helps get them off the hook in regards to reparations for damages done to Ukraine.

There aren't going to be any reparations anyways because it was never really a war of aggression: it has always been a proxy war, instigated by the US. The US orchestrated the Euromaidan protests, decided Ukraine's President and top prosecutor, backed Ukraine's attacks against their ethnic-Russian minority population, and kept pushing the Ukraine-in -NATO dagger at Russia's throat. 

And the UN General Assembly can never cram that BS down Russia's throat either because they have all the BRICS support, with no less than 2 vetoes among them. 

[myata]

38 minutes ago, suds said:

If I was Zelenski I'd apologize and arrange another meeting simply because Ukraine in my opinion has the most to lose. To be clear though, I'm not blaming either Zelenski or Trump for the disengagement.

Just look how the twisty boneless tongue twists it: he isn't blaming anybody: ostensibly but it's the guest who should apologize, not the host who invited him in his home then showed utmost and disgusting disrespect and absence of civility and courtesy. Why, what's the logic? Well it's past that, and any notion of decency and no shame. Watch on this specimen of moral and mental decomposition what letting your brain to reality pseudo-news propaganda could and will do to you. And you wouldn't even know. Those lessons and examples they weren't for nothing now playing out before everybody's eyes.

6 minutes ago, suds said:

would anyone want to sabotage

I wouldn't even want to comment. The case can be beyond any hope of recovery.

[Barquentine]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Is there a the difference between a cease-fire and a peace-settlement, and if so, what is it?

Really. You can't discern the difference? (Shaking my head)

[WestCanMan]

56 minutes ago, suds said:

If I was Zelenski I'd apologize and arrange another meeting simply because Ukraine in my opinion has the most to lose.

At the end of the day Ukraine loses 20% of their land, they have millions of people dead or seriously wounded, they have just as much generational war trauma as WWII nations did, and now the US wants $500 billion from them - after Ukraine just fought America's proxy war for them. 

Zelensky was rude in the WH, but he wasn't wrong to feel used and abused.

The problem is that Zelensky wants what Biden promised him at the beginning of this proxy war - "You get all your stuff back if you fight long enough" - and Trump just wants the war to end, and he wants America's money back, with interest.

It's like the perfect good-cop, bad-cop routine: Dems come in and offer a deal (which can't be revealed because it is more damning for Zelensky than the Dems), and then Trump comes in and flips the script.

TBH, it seems like America's "two-party system" is less of a democratic arrangement and more of a dirty "good-cop, bad-cop" routine.   

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Really. You can't discern the difference? (Shaking my head)

Of course I know. And Trump even touched on that in the meeting.

I'm just asking myata if he knows (I thought that seemed clear), but it's obvious that he doesn't.