Did Democrats Sabotage Minerals Deal Just Before Oval Office Meeting?

[User]

1 hour ago, Barquentine said:

Curious to know just how much Russian oligarchs, maybe even Putin himself, have invested in Trump companies. Little Eric let the cat out of the bag a few years ago and Trump is looking more and more like he's beholden to Putin for something. MRGA!

So... you just want to offer baseless speculation to cast a shadow of some kind of corruption here because you don't have any actual evidence or good arguments. 

 

[WestCanMan]

16 hours ago, User said:

Um, no. That is not the answer at all. That is just pure silly speculation on your part... to again, justify Russia invading. 

Trump's already talking about making Canada the 51st state and we're not even close to forming a defensive alliance with China. 

What's worse is that the Dems and their alt-left MSM in the US, who see the shade of Trump's toast and the colour of his tie as valid reasons to shriek insults about him, can't find fault with him calling our PM a governor. Isn't that a bit unnerving? 

Trump: "Please pop my toast before it starts smoking."

MSM: "OMG HE'S A RACIST!!!!"

 

Trump: "Trudeau is just a governor, and Canada is our 51st state."

MSM: "Is Elon Musk trying to show he's in control of the country by bringing his kid into the Oval Office?"

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This is just you making stuff up. 

That's just you still trying to pretend that this isn't a proxy war.

The US ousted the Ukrainian president - who was elected on a campaign that focused on neutrality towards Russia - decided who was allowed to run for president and who wasn't, put Zelensky and their own chosen prosecutor in power, openly stated that Ukraine should be in NATO, then gave Ukraine hundreds of billions of dollars worth of weapons to kill Russian soldiers with. 

This absolutely is a prototypical proxy war, regardless of whether you want to admit it or not. If you look up 'proxy war' in the dictionary you'll see a picture of Biden and Zelensky holding hands there. 

[Barquentine]

1 hour ago, User said:

So... you just want to offer baseless speculation

Read the thread title for baseless speculation. It's common knowledge Trump has Russian investors. I'm just asking who and how much.

[User]

Just now, Barquentine said:

Read the thread title for baseless speculation. It's common knowledge Trump has Russian investors. I'm just asking who and how much.

If it is common knowledge, you would not have to ask who and how much. 

 

[Barquentine]

18 minutes ago, User said:

If it is common knowledge, you would not have to ask who and how much. 

Give me a break. Can't you understand English?

[User]

1 minute ago, Barquentine said:

Give me a break. Can't you understand English?

Yes, that is how I understood your BS attempt to say Trump was being bought off by Russian investments in his companies. 

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Scott75 said:

I don't know if some here would or would not go into battle themselves, but it doesn't change the fact that it'd be a dumb idea even if they would. As I've pointed out, it was the west which has consistently provoked Russia for years in Ukraine, while Russia fruitlessly tried to find some diplomatic solution. People say that Putijn is bad and all that, and perhaps he is in some ways, but when it comes to Ukraine, he tried for 8 years to find a diplomatic solution and by the end of those years, I think he made it quite clear what made him finally go to war in Ukraine. In the speech he gave on February 24, 2022, the day he started his military operation in Ukraine, which even he has begun to call a war, he said this amoung other things:

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This brings me to the situation in Donbass. We can see that the forces that staged the coup in Ukraine in 2014 have seized power, are keeping it with the help of ornamental election procedures and have abandoned the path of a peaceful conflict settlement. For eight years, for eight endless years we have been doing everything possible to settle the situation by peaceful political means. Everything was in vain.

As I said in my previous address, you cannot look without compassion at what is happening there. It became impossible to tolerate it. We had to stop that atrocity, that genocide of the millions of people who live there and who pinned their hopes on Russia, on all of us. It is their aspirations, the feelings and pain of these people that were the main motivating force behind our decision to recognise the independence of the Donbass people’s republics.

I would like to additionally emphasise the following. Focused on their own goals, the leading NATO countries are supporting the far-right nationalists and neo-Nazis in Ukraine, those who will never forgive the people of Crimea and Sevastopol for freely making a choice to reunite with Russia.

They will undoubtedly try to bring war to Crimea just as they have done in Donbass, to kill innocent people just as members of the punitive units of Ukrainian nationalists and Hitler’s accomplices did during the Great Patriotic War.

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Source:

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/statements/67843

Putin doesn't mention the fact that about a week before this speech, the Ukrainian military had once again begun a military assault on the Donbass region. I'm not sure why he didn't do this, but former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud presents clear evidence that this was in fact happening in an article I believe you've seen before. For anyone else reading this who hasn't seen it, it's here: 

https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/

In summary, Putin tried diplomacy for years and realized that the west just pretended to play along in order to further build up Ukraine's military. Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel admitted as much soon after Russia's military operation began:

https://www.donbass-insider.com/2022/12/10/angela-merkel-admits-that-the-minsk-agreements-were-only-signed-to-give-ukraine-time/

I think in the days leading up to his military operation in Ukraine, he realized that diplomacy just wasn't enough, or at least not the kind that only involved words. Aggressive negotiations were necessary.

Yes...I know.

Its a bloody shitshow.

[User]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Trump's already talking about making Canada the 51st state and we're not even close to forming a defensive alliance with China. 

So, your classic misdirect. You don't respond to what I say and bring up Trump making stupid comments about Canada being the 51st state. 

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

That's just you still trying to pretend that this isn't a proxy war.

Another misdirect. You ignore the complete BS you said about Biden and make your same old stupid assertion refuted many times already. 

The US did not oust anyone. 

 

[WestCanMan]

24 minutes ago, User said:

So, your classic misdirect. You don't respond to what I say and bring up Trump making stupid comments about Canada being the 51st state. 

No misdirect.

You think Canada could make a defensive alliance with China and the US wouldn't take over, but Trump is talking about taking over Canada for no reason at all and the Dems and MSM are already complicit.

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Another misdirect. You ignore the complete BS you said about Biden and make your same old stupid assertion refuted many times already. 

The US did not oust anyone. 

Those are all facts that you just can't acknowledge. 

The US funded Euromaidan which ousted Yanukovich, determined who could and couldn't run for president, openly pushed for NATO in Ukraine, and then gave them $350B in weapons to kill Russians with. They even told Ukraine not to stop fighting. 

In what way is that not a proxy war? What else do they need to do? Is there some official "proxy war paperwork" that they have to file at the UN?

[User]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

No misdirect.

You think Canada could make a defensive alliance with China and the US wouldn't take over, but Trump is talking about taking over Canada for no reason at all and the Dems and MSM are already complicit.

Yes, it was a misdirect. You are not addressing the discussion and are changing the subject. 

You are just pushing your stupid hypotheticals that would never happen, just pure speculation. Again, so you can avoid the actual reality here, that you are defending Russia invading Ukraine. 

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Those are all facts that you just can't acknowledge. 

Nope. 

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The US funded Euromaidan which ousted Yanukovich, determined who could and couldn't run for president, openly pushed for NATO in Ukraine, and then gave them $350B in weapons to kill Russians with. They even told Ukraine not to stop fighting. 

Lie, after lie, after lie. 

 

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Scott75 said:

What do you believe he lied about?

Trump said Zelenskyy started the war and is a dictator.

Putin INVADED and that started the war, whether you accept that or not.

Ukrainian law forbids holding elections during war. 

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Like almost all those who profess to want war, they are nothing but keyboard warriors who would never go to battle themselves. 

'Ukraine must fight to the end! We must finance that!'

But do any of them ever say they'd go fight along side the Ukrainians? Not a one.

'But Churchill...Chamberlain!'

Yet...wasn't it the Russians who sacrificed millions in order to split the German forces?

'Putin will invade all of Europe!'

This is silly. The only reason Russia would invade past Ukraine, is if NATO attacked Russia first. But without this limp excuse, there's no good way to justify the continuance of the war.

'You're a PUTIN PUPPET!'

No. I'm a peace and prosperity puppet. Not a cowardly keyboard warrior and death-monger.

You NEVER get peace by SURRENDER. And YOU ARE a cowardly keyboard warrior ADVOCATING SURRENDER by a country which doesn't WANT Putin's jack boots on their NECKS.

We don't have to want to fight to support those WHO DON'T want SURRENDER. Duh

5 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Curious to know just how much Russian oligarchs, maybe even Putin himself, have invested in Trump companies. Little Eric let the cat out of the bag a few years ago and Trump is looking more and more like he's beholden to Putin for something. MRGA!

Putin has the goods on Trump's money laundering and sanctions violations. 

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Curious to know just how much Brandon and NATO have invested in Comic-Boy? How many millions in his personal accounts? How many houses in Florida and other warm places? How many Parisian shopping sprees?

Comic-Boy is bought and paid for. In Europe they call him The Green Shirt. I call him a bought and paid for traitorous little sh1t.

Too bad you have NOTHING but ^this OPINION. AKA BANKRUPT, AGAIN

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Scott75 said:

I don't know if some here would or would not go into battle themselves, but it doesn't change the fact that it'd be a dumb idea even if they would. As I've pointed out, it was the west which has consistently provoked Russia for years in Ukraine, while Russia fruitlessly tried to find some diplomatic solution. People say that Putijn is bad and all that, and perhaps he is in some ways, but when it comes to Ukraine, he tried for 8 years to find a diplomatic solution and by the end of those years, I think he made it quite clear what made him finally go to war in Ukraine. In the speech he gave on February 24, 2022, the day he started his military operation in Ukraine, which even he has begun to call a war, he said this amoung other things:

**

This brings me to the situation in Donbass. We can see that the forces that staged the coup in Ukraine in 2014 have seized power, are keeping it with the help of ornamental election procedures and have abandoned the path of a peaceful conflict settlement. For eight years, for eight endless years we have been doing everything possible to settle the situation by peaceful political means. Everything was in vain.

As I said in my previous address, you cannot look without compassion at what is happening there. It became impossible to tolerate it. We had to stop that atrocity, that genocide of the millions of people who live there and who pinned their hopes on Russia, on all of us. It is their aspirations, the feelings and pain of these people that were the main motivating force behind our decision to recognise the independence of the Donbass people’s republics.

I would like to additionally emphasise the following. Focused on their own goals, the leading NATO countries are supporting the far-right nationalists and neo-Nazis in Ukraine, those who will never forgive the people of Crimea and Sevastopol for freely making a choice to reunite with Russia.

They will undoubtedly try to bring war to Crimea just as they have done in Donbass, to kill innocent people just as members of the punitive units of Ukrainian nationalists and Hitler’s accomplices did during the Great Patriotic War.

**

Source:

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/statements/67843

Putin doesn't mention the fact that about a week before this speech, the Ukrainian military had once again begun a military assault on the Donbass region. I'm not sure why he didn't do this, but former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud presents clear evidence that this was in fact happening in an article I believe you've seen before. For anyone else reading this who hasn't seen it, it's here: 

https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/

In summary, Putin tried diplomacy for years and realized that the west just pretended to play along in order to further build up Ukraine's military. Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel admitted as much soon after Russia's military operation began:

https://www.donbass-insider.com/2022/12/10/angela-merkel-admits-that-the-minsk-agreements-were-only-signed-to-give-ukraine-time/

I think in the days leading up to his military operation in Ukraine, he realized that diplomacy just wasn't enough, or at least not the kind that only involved words. Aggressive negotiations were necessary.

Only a FOOL believes anything Putin or Trump have to say. 

 They are BOTH PROFESSIONAL LIARS.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Yes...I know.

Its a bloody shitshow.

AKA ^this FOOL. LMAO

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, User said:

Yes, it was a misdirect. You are not addressing the discussion and are changing the subject. 

You are just pushing your stupid hypotheticals that would never happen, just pure speculation. Again, so you can avoid the actual reality here, that you are defending Russia invading Ukraine. 

Nope. 

Lie, after lie, after lie. 

 

Actually...

https://jacobin.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea

Yes...they did through the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) and US Agency for International Development (USAID), whose Kyiv headquarters were in the same compound as the US embassy.

[User]

14 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Actually...

Actually... I am not interested in the same nonsense told by someone else. 

If you think there is something of value in that link, then quote it. Give me the facts you think prove your point. 

15 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Yes...they did through the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) and US Agency for International Development (USAID), whose Kyiv headquarters were in the same compound as the US embassy.

How? Give me facts. 

[Nationalist]

9 minutes ago, User said:

Actually... I am not interested in the same nonsense told by someone else. 

If you think there is something of value in that link, then quote it. Give me the facts you think prove your point. 

How? Give me facts. 

take 10 minutes and actually read the article.

follow a couple of the links.

find out what Nuland was up to and how Arseniy Yatsenyuk became the new PM post-Maiden.

these are facts. which is why I keep saying...They're ALL to blame for this little war. ALL of 'em.

[User]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

take 10 minutes and actually read the article.

follow a couple of the links.

find out what Nuland was up to and how Arseniy Yatsenyuk became the new PM post-Maiden.

these are facts. which is why I keep saying...They're ALL to blame for this little war. ALL of 'em.

Nope. It is not my job to read endless amounts of nonsense spammed on this forum. 

This is your bad argument to support, not mine to go figure out for you. 

 

[LittleBro]

It isnt the art of the deal, it is the art of the steal. Gangsters. Extortionists.

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, User said:

Nope. It is not my job to read endless amounts of nonsense spammed on this forum. 

This is your bad argument to support, not mine to go figure out for you. 

 

So don't and don't complain. 

[myata]

On 3/2/2025 at 6:39 PM, suds said:

about not shitting in someone else's house.

Remember, he just said a minute ago that he isn't blaming anybody? Look what watching that cr*p he likes pouring into his brain will do to yours: don't go there. It just may be irreversible.

[User]

14 hours ago, Nationalist said:

So don't and don't complain. 

I can and will complain all I want in response to you just posting a link and expecting me to read it and figure out your argument for you. 

 

[impartialobserver]

I was not at this meeting and being that there is no audio/video recording.. I will refrain from guessing as to what was said. 

[gatomontes99]

20 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

I was not at this meeting and being that there is no audio/video recording.. I will refrain from guessing as to what was said. 

That's probably a good idea. From what I can see, what Z did in the Trump press conference is not out of character for him. I do think he is out of his element, when it comes to international politics...and probably managing a country.

Part of the problem may be (and I'm openly speculating here) the language barrior. You saw during the blow up, Z kept asking "What cards?" and "We aren't playing cards." I don't think he understood that metaphor. There may have been a couple of idiums Trump used that upset Z because he didn't understand the meaning. He's pretty good at English. I just don't think he understands all of the catch phrases we use.