BeaverFever Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 (edited) 19 hours ago, User said: What good is a mineral rights agreement with America... if Ukraine is conquered and/or at war and they can't be used? Your logic here doesn't work. This is not the entirety of the deal, either. You are conflating at least 3 different things here with any proposed peace deal, security arrangements after, and this economic partnership. What good is signing away your most valuable resource to someone who’s going to let you die anyway and is likely in cahoots with your killer? The so-called “economic partnership” proposed by Trump was a precondition Ukraine had to agree to without Trump providing any guarantees in return. And Teump won’t explain why he won’t give a security guarantee. It’s like a Nigerian Prince scam: hand over your assets now and hope you’ll get something in return at a later date. And it’s not for nothing that many have noted most of Ukraine’s critical minerals are in or very near Russian-held territory so it may be that Trump has plans to develop it with Russia not Ukraine if its signed over to him. Edited March 3 by BeaverFever 1 Quote
robosmith Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 1 hour ago, West said: Selective prosecution. Hundreds of churches were firebombed by woke lunatics during the Biden administration and they laid zero arrests. "Woke" people don't firebomb anyone. You've been LIED TO AGAIN. Church bombers are almost always racists who hate immigrants and Jews. 1 hour ago, West said: Instead they targeted a non violent 70 year old lady. Pretty vile stuff Who broke the law. Duh YOU ALWAYS LIE by LEAVING THAT PART OUT. 🤮 Quote
BeaverFever Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 6 hours ago, WestCanMan said: If your goal truly is peace, then why let the killing continue until the very last second? You wouldn’t have said that in 1939 to Churchill would you? You don’t say that about Israel do you? Surrendering to an invader and ceding territory isn’t peace. If you’re so into peace why don’t you just want Russia to go home? That would bring instant peace, same day. Much faster than negotiating ceasefire and minerals and territorial concessions. 2 1 Quote
West Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 7 minutes ago, robosmith said: "Woke" people don't firebomb anyone. You've been LIED TO AGAIN. Church bombers are almost always racists who hate immigrants and Jews. Who broke the law. Duh YOU ALWAYS LIE by LEAVING THAT PART OUT. 🤮 You are decieved Quote
robosmith Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 (edited) 2 hours ago, WestCanMan said: If that was the case then he would have attacked Ukraine while Trump was in the WH and Ukraine didn't have access to all of America's weapons. Get it? Trump was the FIRST ONE to send Ukraine Javelin missiles, dummy. But only because he was forced to by Congress. Those were the weapons he withheld to coerce Zelenskyy to announce an investigation into Bidens and was impeached for the FIRST TIME. The Impoundment Act makes it illegal for a POTUS to choose to not spend money appropriated by Congress for the purpose determined by Congress. Now you know. 2 hours ago, WestCanMan said: "Duh, thanks for the offer of letting us take over Ukraine Mr Trump, but we will wait for Biden to be president so that it's more of a challenge." Duh you know nothing about the history, cause you only listen to FOS LIES BULLSHIT. 2 hours ago, WestCanMan said: I can never tell if you're being serious or if you're just saying the stupidest thing that comes to mind before myata says it. You constantly express your IGNORANCE here because you don't understand that FOS LIES only tells you half the story. 2 hours ago, WestCanMan said: "In real 'Murica, after age 70 you can just break whatever laws you want without consequence." - Joe Biden Fixed it for ya. You are BROKEN and BANKRUPT. 17 minutes ago, West said: You are decieved Prove it. You cannot because you ONLY listen to FOS LIES. Edited March 3 by robosmith Quote
I am Groot Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 11 hours ago, ironstone said: So this is what's happening to the future generation in Ukraine now. It is likely the exact same for Russia. https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2025/03/02/watch-viral-cctv-video-shows-ukrainian-soldiers-abducting-youth-walking-his-dog-for-military-recruitment-to-fight-russia-war.html What happens when the available pool of young men gets smaller and smaller? Progressives think this is the best path instead of trying to end the war? You're welcome to go and live in Russia as you're urging Ukrainians to do. 1 Quote
suds Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 48 minutes ago, Aristides said: Even if it does get US backing the EU better be prepared to go it alone because Trump will not honour anything unless it is in his own interest. Well he seems to be doing a fairly good job at honouring his campaign/election promises. And how does he personally profit from a minerals deal between the U.S. and Ukraine? I'm not aware of him or his family being involved in such mining endeavors. But I will admit it would be a feather in his cap if he managed to achieve some semblance of peace in Ukraine. Quote
robosmith Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 11 hours ago, ironstone said: So this is what's happening to the future generation in Ukraine now. It is likely the exact same for Russia. https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2025/03/02/watch-viral-cctv-video-shows-ukrainian-soldiers-abducting-youth-walking-his-dog-for-military-recruitment-to-fight-russia-war.html What happens when the available pool of young men gets smaller and smaller? Progressives think this is the best path instead of trying to end the war? ^This sort of thing was SOP in the US for YEARS when I was growing up. It's called the DRAFT, and MANY NATIONS still have it. Now we have a VOLUNTEER military, but that could change any time we get into an unpopular war cause the selective service law is still on the books. Quote
I am Groot Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 11 hours ago, West said: There's no evidence to anything you've written here. There is evidence of EVERYTHING I've said there. Quote
I am Groot Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 11 hours ago, robosmith said: From what I've heard, Russia's military is in no better shape. Supposedly half of their weapons have been used up or destroyed. Unlike the West, Russia didn't waste its time doing environmental studies and bidding contests. it immediately starting building more plants to make ammunition, tanks, planes, and everything else needed. Right now it's military production is vastly greater than all of NATO including the US. And I repost this. Ukraine is fielding around 100 combat brigades, I would say about 1/3 to 1/4 of which are "heavy" brigades with tanks and IFVs. Russia fields significantly more than that. While an individual NATO heavy brigade will likely perform better than most Ukrainian brigades, NATO can field very few heavy brigades. https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Journals/Military-Review/English-Edition-Archives/July-August-2024/Who-in-NATO-Is-Ready-for-War/ Germany can field a single heavy brigade within a month. Same with France and Italy. Britain would take 2-3 months to field an armored brigade. Poland nominally has around 9-12 heavy brigades, but with unsure levels of staffing. With Erdogan in Turkey and general Turkish sentiments towards the continent and Russia, it's unsure whether the Turkish Land Forces would be part of any rapid reaction force into continental europe If the war with Ukraine ended tomorrow, Russia has in excess of 50 heavy combat brigades worth of manpower that it could shift to an attack on NATO before NATO could mobilize even half that number of brigades. With numbers and readiness like that it's not out of the realm of possibility that Russia could bite and hold part of a NATO country and let political fracturing in the alliance do the rest as the initial brigades fielded to counter it fail to dislodge Russian forces. Quote
West Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 Trump reframes the issues to things that impact the US like rape gangs Quote
Aristides Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 9 minutes ago, suds said: Well he seems to be doing a fairly good job at honouring his campaign/election promises. And how does he personally profit from a minerals deal between the U.S. and Ukraine? I'm not aware of him or his family being involved in such mining endeavors. But I will admit it would be a feather in his cap if he managed to achieve some semblance of peace in Ukraine. He negotiated and signed a free trade deal with Canada which he has now torn up. How can we ever sign another deal with such a person? 1 Quote
Hodad Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 1 hour ago, West said: Once again you live in an echo chamber. It's pathetic. Full stop. "At least 368 incidents have occurred across 43 states and the District of Columbia since May 2020. Incidents include arson, statues beheaded, limbs cut, smashed, and painted, gravestones defaced with swastikas and anti-Catholic language and American flags next to them burned, and other destruction and vandalism." https://www.usccb.org/committees/religious-liberty/Backgrounder-Attacks-on-Catholic-Churches-in-US This is JUST CATHOLIC CHURCHES. I'll take this as your concession that you absolutely made up the claim that hundreds of churches were firebombed. 1 Quote
suds Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 37 minutes ago, Aristides said: He negotiated and signed a free trade deal with Canada which he has now torn up. How can we ever sign another deal with such a person? Because they're going to have to. What else do you want me to say? Quote
Aristides Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 24 minutes ago, suds said: Because they're going to have to. What else do you want me to say? All I am saying is they better be prepared for when Trump leaves them holding the bag. Quote
robosmith Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 1 hour ago, West said: Trump reframes the issues to things that impact the US like rape gangs Putin and Xi pose a much greater danger to the US than some immigrant gangs. Those gangs don't have nukes. Duh Quote
robosmith Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 3 hours ago, West said: Once again you live in an echo chamber. It's pathetic. Full stop. "At least 368 incidents have occurred across 43 states and the District of Columbia since May 2020. Incidents include arson, statues beheaded, limbs cut, smashed, and painted, gravestones defaced with swastikas and anti-Catholic language and American flags next to them burned, and other destruction and vandalism." https://www.usccb.org/committees/religious-liberty/Backgrounder-Attacks-on-Catholic-Churches-in-US This is JUST CATHOLIC CHURCHES. I don't see ANY record of who was responsible for the vandalism cited at your link. For all you know they were neo-Nazis. Quote
Nationalist Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 8 hours ago, Hodad said: Nationalist will get a big discount on his next mail order bride? Psst...hey you POS...say that to my face...you coward. 2 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 4 hours ago, robosmith said: Putin and Xi pose a much greater danger to the US than some immigrant gangs. Those gangs don't have nukes. Duh And thanks to Brandon, they're all a danger to Americans. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 4 hours ago, robosmith said: I don't see ANY record of who was responsible for the vandalism cited at your link. For all you know they were neo-Nazis. @West see how old sayings keep proving themselves true? "Ya can't fix stupid" Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
West Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 7 hours ago, robosmith said: I don't see ANY record of who was responsible for the vandalism cited at your link. For all you know they were neo-Nazis. That wasn't what I was addressing dumbass. 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: @West see how old sayings keep proving themselves true? "Ya can't fix stupid" 💯 1 Quote
User Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 10 hours ago, BeaverFever said: What good signing away your most valuable resource to someone who’s going to let you die anyway and is likely in cahoots with your killer? This is back to your same dumb logic as before, just now you throw in a pathetic lie about Trump. 10 hours ago, BeaverFever said: It’s like a Nigerian Prince scam: hand over your assets now and hope you’ll get something in return at a later date. Nothing is being handed over. There is no pile of minerals. It is a partnership to help them develop those resources after the war. 10 hours ago, BeaverFever said: And it’s not for nothing that many have noted most of Ukraine’s critical minerals are in or very near Russian-held territory so it may be that Trump has plans to develop it with Russia not Ukraine if its signed over to him. This makes absolutely zero sense. Quote
WestCanMan Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 11 hours ago, BeaverFever said: One again you prove that you are as uninformed as you are gullible. Why do you even bother? FACT: In 2019 while Trump was president Russia signed a ceasefire and then violated it a month later you clueless dumbass. Once again you prove that you're just willing to lie to pretend to make a point. You just said something, you didn't "prove" anything. Where's your cite, dummy? You don't have one, because the Russian army didn't attack Ukraine until 2022, you clueless dumbass. Quote Second of all how gullible do have to be to believe Putin the most evil and ruthless dictator in the world is going to keep hos word THIS TIME just because Trump is president when Trump can’t even bring himself to say one unpleasant word about Putin and defends him at every tuen. Trump won’t even off a security guarantee but expects everyone to take Putin at his word. Trump and his administration appointees are so incompetent they couldn’t hold Putin accountable even id they weren’t putin supporters. Get your clueless gullible head out of your ass FTFY Your posts are like a sprint in the drivel Olympics ffs. You can't spell, lack proper grammar, you spew a constant stream of lies, and then you wrap it all up with snotty insults. There's nothing of substance in your post that's even worth addressing. Take your sandbox whining out to the playground where it belongs, Beave. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
WestCanMan Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 10 hours ago, BeaverFever said: You wouldn’t have said that in 1939 to Churchill would you? Of course not. Nazis were slaughtering people. But in this instance, it's Ukraine that's unleashing the Nazi war criminals on people. So if Zelensky agrees to a ceasefire, then his Nazis have to stop. Quote You don’t say that about Israel do you? That's not a war, it's an anti-terrorism operation. I have a completely different level of respect for soldiers from Ukraine, Russia, Iran, Iraq and Zimbabwe than I do for terrorists from any country, including Canada. The killing of soldiers is unfortunate, and to be avoided whenever possible. The killing of terrorists is humane, because it saves the lives of innocent women and children. Also, Israel is winning, so a ceasefire doesn't suit them. A ceasefire would be a blessing for Ukraine right now. Quote Surrendering to an invader and ceding territory isn’t peace. At some point the Ukrainians need to understand that Biden's proxy war isn't working out for them, and that Trump isn't funding it anymore. Putting NATO on Russia's doorstep was a mistake, as everyone on the planet can see, and Ukraine has been paying for that mistake for years now. Here's how things are going for Ukraine: they lost 10,000 sq km of Crimea they lost 30,000 sq km of SE Ukraine they lost tens of thousands of lives they have hundreds of thousands of people severely injured. That's burn victims, amputees, people who were blinded and or deaf. they are forcing conscripts into the army and experiencing extremely high rates of desertion, all while losing more and more territory they are losing more lives and more territory every day. They're like a shitty gambler who's still sweating it out at 4:30 am, throwing his watch and car keys on the table while he's holding a pair of deuces. Quote If you’re so into peace why don’t you just want Russia to go home? That would bring instant peace, same day. Much faster than negotiating ceasefire and minerals and territorial concessions. That's stupid. Why would Russians gain all that territory just to give it up? As it stands, the Donbas is the new front line if there's a subsequent war. If they give it up then their own country is the new front line. Russia shouldn't give up a single inch. Ukraine can go f themselves. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
User Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 9 hours ago, robosmith said: Putin and Xi pose a much greater danger to the US than some immigrant gangs. Those gangs don't have nukes. Duh Neither of them are actively nuking us either. That is a "threat" that will always passively exist. In the meantime, how about we stop Americans from being killed and raped by all the illegal immigrants you guys let in the country and then refused to deport? Quote
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