robosmith Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 1 minute ago, BeaverFever said: The media hasn’t lied about everything. Tou are just a conspiracy nut You have to remember, West only watches right wing media, so his perception is completely skewed by those LIARS. Quote
Aristides Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 Quote There are moments in history where you can feel the tectonic plates of power shifting under your feet, the precise seconds when empires declare themselves rotten and ready to collapse. February 28, 2025, was one of those moments—a grotesque display of unchecked narcissism, geopolitical idiocy, and the full-throttle transformation of American foreign policy into a goddamn mafia shakedown. Donald Trump, the world’s loudest and dumbest charlatan, decided to hold a public execution of Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, not with bullets, but with bullying. This was not diplomacy. This was not strategy. This was the kind of goonish humiliation typically reserved for reality television, except now the stakes were measured in millions of lives and the looming specter of World War III. “YOU’RE GAMBLING WITH WORLD WAR III” Trump—flanked by his yes-man JD Vance and an eerily silent Marco Rubio—welcomed Zelenskyy to the Oval Office only to berate, belittle, and ultimately dismiss him like a waiter who forgot to refill his Diet Coke. The Ukrainian president had made the grave mistake of advocating for his people, for his country, for his soldiers dying daily on the front lines against Russian invaders. But in Trump’s world, there is no room for dignity or resistance—only total submission to the Don. "You’re gambling with World War III," Trump barked at Zelenskyy, acting like a discount Tony Soprano shaking down a local shopkeeper. "You either make a deal, or we are out." The message was crystal clear: Surrender to Putin, or America lets you rot. When Zelenskyy pushed back—trying to explain, like a rational human being, that diplomacy requires more than rolling over and exposing your belly to a psychotic autocrat like Vladimir Putin—Vance chimed in, whining that it was "disrespectful" to discuss such things in front of the American media. Disrespectful! As if the real problem here was the optics, not the grotesque moral betrayal unfolding in real time. TRUMP’S FIXATION WITH GRATITUDE: A MOB BOSS DEMANDING TRIBUTE "Have you ever said thank you once?" Vance sneered at Zelenskyy, echoing his master’s worldview that all human interactions are transactional. "You have to be thankful," Trump added, "you don’t have the cards. You’re buried there." This is what American diplomacy has become: an extortion racket. Forget alliances, forget history, forget standing up to despots—Trump views everything through the lens of a cheap con artist running a rigged casino. Ukraine, in his mind, is a desperate gambler, and Trump is the pit boss deciding whether to extend another round of credit. If Zelenskyy had gotten on his knees and kissed Trump’s golden slippers, maybe he’d have left with something. But instead, he left with nothing, because he had the audacity to act like the elected leader of a sovereign nation, rather than a groveling servant. THE CANCELED PRESS CONFERENCE: WHEN THE HUMILIATION IS TOO MUCH TO SPIN After the carnage, Trump did what he always does: He took to Truth Social to declare victory. "I have determined that President Zelenskyy is not ready for Peace," he wrote, as if the real issue is Ukraine’s unwillingness to surrender, rather than Russia’s ongoing campaign of war crimes and territorial theft. The joint press conference was canceled—which in diplomatic terms is the equivalent of overturning the table and storming out of the restaurant. Zelenskyy was seen leaving the White House, no deal signed, no support secured. Just the bitter taste of betrayal in his mouth. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian ambassador literally facepalmed in the middle of the meeting. She couldn’t even hide her disgust. This was the international equivalent of watching your boss drunkenly scream at a client in a meeting while you rub your temples and quietly plan your resignation. TRUMP’S ‘PEACE’ PLAN IS A SURRENDER PLAN This is all part of a deliberate pivot in American foreign policy. Trump has always sided with Russia, whether it’s calling Putin "a very smart guy," ignoring his war crimes, or pretending Ukraine started the war. Now, his administration is pushing a so-called "peace plan" that amounts to a glorified land grab for Moscow. The Wall Street Journal has already reported that Trump’s advisers are split on how exactly to force Ukraine to submit. Some want a "frozen conflict"—which translates to "Russia keeps what it stole"—while others are pushing for a formal deal that outright cedes Ukrainian land and resources to Putin. Either way, the outcome is the same: Ukraine loses, Russia wins, and Trump gets to preen about his ‘deal-making.’ THE DEATH OF AMERICA’S WORD The entire world saw this Oval Office debacle. If you’re an ally of the United States, you just learned a very clear lesson: You cannot trust America under Donald Trump. Your security, your sovereignty, and your survival are all secondary to whether Trump personally feels flattered. If you are not groveling at his feet, you’re expendable. Meanwhile, Putin is watching. And he’s grinning. Because now he knows that Trump will do his dirty work for him. Zelenskyy was just the first ally to be fed to the wolves. He won’t be the last. Welcome to America, 2025. This is what losing looks like. 3 1 Quote
Hodad Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 40 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: You are being way to emotional about this. You need to think in terms of net positive and net negative. That needs to be coupled with what is realistic and what isn't realistic. It is a net positive to end the fighting in Ukraine and net negative to escalate or maintain the status quo. It is realistic to expect that the old borders are gone and new borders will be in place. You are talking about the rumor, spread by a sports reporter for the time frame before more than three years before Trump announced he was running for office. It was investigated by Mueller and no connections were found. The only emotion is dismay that an actual person could say out loud that Trump is trying to appear "unbiased" to negotiate a better peace, when he factually takes every opportunity to display his pro-Putin bias. Zelensky is the dictator, not Putin. Ukraine started the war, not Putin's invasion. The shameful vote at the UN siding with Putin. He's not playing 7D chess. He's just Putin's biotch And the Russian money is not a rumor. The Trump family boasts about it. Why do you feel compelled to cover for these traitorous grifters? Vanity Fair ...it wouldn’t be the first time that the Trumps have been connected to Russian money. A number of reports have indicated the Trump Organization received substantial financing from Russia when the business was struggling in the mid 1990s and again during the Great Recession, since major U.S. banks had refused to loan money to him. Most recently, Reuters reported that a group of 63 Russia billionaires have invested nearly $100 million in several Trump properties in Florida. Donald Trump Jr. himself famously said in 2008 that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.” 1 Quote
robosmith Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 Zelenskyy's grave mistake was attacking Trump's patron Putin. That was clearly what set Trump off on his RAVING RANT. Of course they "mistakenly" let the reporter from Russian media Tass in to live stream the whole thing so Putin could see what a good boy Trump was being. 🤮 1 Quote
ironstone Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 21 minutes ago, Hodad said: ..it wouldn’t be the first time that the Trumps have been connected to Russian money. Gosh, I wonder if the Biden's were ever connected to Russian money?🤨 Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
gatomontes99 Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 25 minutes ago, Hodad said: The only emotion is dismay that an actual person could say out loud that Trump is trying to appear "unbiased" to negotiate a better peace, when he factually takes every opportunity to display his pro-Putin bias. Zelensky is the dictator, not Putin. Ukraine started the war, not Putin's invasion. The shameful vote at the UN siding with Putin. He's not playing 7D chess. He's just Putin's biotch And the Russian money is not a rumor. The Trump family boasts about it. Why do you feel compelled to cover for these traitorous grifters? Vanity Fair ...it wouldn’t be the first time that the Trumps have been connected to Russian money. A number of reports have indicated the Trump Organization received substantial financing from Russia when the business was struggling in the mid 1990s and again during the Great Recession, since major U.S. banks had refused to loan money to him. Most recently, Reuters reported that a group of 63 Russia billionaires have invested nearly $100 million in several Trump properties in Florida. Donald Trump Jr. himself famously said in 2008 that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.” And yet, none of that made it into the Mueller report. Now, why do you think the report that was designed to find Russian connections didn't report a single loan? You need to drop the emotion and see reality. 1 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
WestCanMan Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: One of Trump’s lackey ‘journalists’ even pretended to take umbrage at Zelenskyy’s lack of a suit. He said he would wear a suit when the war was finished. He could have replied that Churchill didn’t wear a suit when he visited the WH in 1942 and didn’t hold an election either. Zelensky's green shirt shtick is getting old: we all know that he hasn't spent a minute in the line of fire. He's not showing any solidarity at all when he plays soldier, he's showing solidarity when he tries to negotiate a peaceful settlement, but he's not all-in on peace. He's all-in on being the big man who stood up to Russia and then got a deal where Ukraine lost nothing. Well guess what, Ukrainian Napoleon? Ukraine already lost. Territory... Lives... Money... Cities... The healthy development of a whole generation of children... It's all gone. *POOF!!!* But wear the green shirt. Sure. It means so much. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
WestCanMan Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 2 hours ago, Aristides said: https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/ The key points there being May 18th onwards... Not aggressively retaliating against the Taliban with airstrikes, not communicating at all with their allies about how to get troops and support personnel out, giving up Bagram to use an indefensible airport, pulling out the troops while they were still busy getting non-combatants out, etc. That's what made it a gongshow. Allies found out that Bagram was emptied when they showed up one morning and the Taliban just owned it. The withdrawal was not tactical, not orderly, there was zero communication with their allies, they completely botched easy decisions.... It was just an EVERY-MAN-FOR-HIMSELF mad scramble. Trump never gave the Talis Bagram, and he never said "Don't tell our allies sh1t, just cut 'n run!" Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
CdnFox Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 3 hours ago, BeaverFever said: The media hasn’t lied about everything. Tou are just a conspiracy nut I'm using we and ironically that's not true Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
herbie Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 https://www.reddit.com/r/EhBuddyHoser/comments/1j107vc/from_the_home_of_our_king/ Quote
robosmith Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 3 hours ago, ironstone said: Gosh, I wonder if the Biden's were ever connected to Russian money?🤨 I wonder if you know that Joe Biden has no businesses like The Trump Org? Quote
robosmith Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 2 hours ago, WestCanMan said: The key points there being May 18th onwards... Not aggressively retaliating against the Taliban with airstrikes, not communicating at all with their allies about how to get troops and support personnel out, giving up Bagram to use an indefensible airport, pulling out the troops while they were still busy getting non-combatants out, etc. That's what made it a gongshow. Allies found out that Bagram was emptied when they showed up one morning and the Taliban just owned it. The withdrawal was not tactical, not orderly, there was zero communication with their allies, they completely botched easy decisions.... It was just an EVERY-MAN-FOR-HIMSELF mad scramble. Trump never gave the Talis Bagram, and he never said "Don't tell our allies sh1t, just cut 'n run!" Nope. Trump FAMOUSLY negotiated our surrender to the Taliban without any involvement of the Afghan National Government. Quote The following year, angered by the lack of progress, Trump argued that the US should “get out” of Afghanistan as the strategy had been a “total failure”. By this time, the US had talked directly to the Taliban, without the Afghan government in the room – a key Taliban demand. While the talks were designed to lead to intra-Afghan negotiations, it resulted in the Afghan republic being sidelined from the process. Throughout these talks, Trump frequently threatened to withdraw from Afghanistan. US officials referred to this constant threat as the “Tweet of Damocles” – meaning at any point, the president would announce on Twitter that the US was departing Afghanistan. The secretary of state at the time, Mike Pompeo – a diehard Trump loyalist – knew the president could pull the plug on the talks at any time. He therefore instructed lead US negotiator, Zalmay Khalilzad, to secure a deal at all costs. As a former senior Pentagon official who was present at the talks told me, it became clear Pompeo and Khalilzad had “no red lines” as both believed that “any deal was better than no deal”. Khalilzad abandoned the original Afghan-led process and worked to secure an agreement with the Taliban, which inevitably caused dismay within the sidelined Afghan government. Trump also largely refused to consult the Afghan president, Ashraf Ghani, about his plans. Compounding matters, the US president made several public statements about his desire to withdraw US forces from Afghanistan. This weakened Khalilzad’s position and encouraged the Taliban to remain resolute in negotiations. Quote
Hodad Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: And yet, none of that made it into the Mueller report. Now, why do you think the report that was designed to find Russian connections didn't report a single loan? You need to drop the emotion and see reality. Why WOULD it be part of the Mueller report? Well outside the scope. The reality is that Trump is a Russian stooge, and even when the family tells you that's where their bread is buttered, you'll bend over to pretend it's not true. 1 1 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 5 minutes ago, Hodad said: Why WOULD it be part of the Mueller report? Well outside the scope. The reality is that Trump is a Russian stooge, and even when the family tells you that's where their bread is buttered, you'll bend over to pretend it's not true. You are telling me that the report that was designed to see if Trump had connections to Russia wouldn't look at financial connections to Russia? Are you kidding me? Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Hodad Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 6 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: You are telling me that the report that was designed to see if Trump had connections to Russia wouldn't look at financial connections to Russia? Are you kidding me? Clearly you have not read the report. It has a very specific remit: Russian interference in the 2016 election. Hence why it was so stupid to go around calling it a witch hunt. They left Trump's shady business dealing out by design. Mueller Report Doesn’t Cross ‘Red Line’ Into Trump’s Finances 1 1 Quote
Aristides Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 (edited) The only thing I gained from this exchange was, Christ, these people are more disgusting than I ever imagined. Anyone who tries to justify that kind of behaviour is a special kind of azhole as well. Edited March 1 by Aristides 1 1 Quote
robosmith Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 6 minutes ago, Aristides said: The only thing I gained from this exchange was, Christ, these people are more disgusting than I ever imagined. Anyone who tries to justify that kind of behaviour is a special kind of azhole as well. You talkin about MAGA CULT? Quote
Aristides Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 3 hours ago, WestCanMan said: The key points there being May 18th onwards... Not aggressively retaliating against the Taliban with airstrikes, not communicating at all with their allies about how to get troops and support personnel out, giving up Bagram to use an indefensible airport, pulling out the troops while they were still busy getting non-combatants out, etc. That's what made it a gongshow. Allies found out that Bagram was emptied when they showed up one morning and the Taliban just owned it. The withdrawal was not tactical, not orderly, there was zero communication with their allies, they completely botched easy decisions.... It was just an EVERY-MAN-FOR-HIMSELF mad scramble. Trump never gave the Talis Bagram, and he never said "Don't tell our allies sh1t, just cut 'n run!" So you are saying Trump would have kept troops in Afghanistan and continued the war. Quote
West Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 5 hours ago, BeaverFever said: The media hasn’t lied about everything. Tou are just a conspiracy nut Yeah yeah any factually correct negative information about your cult leaders is a conspiracy theory Quote
robosmith Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 9 minutes ago, West said: Yeah yeah any factually correct negative information about your cult leaders is a conspiracy theory You've proven over and over that you don't know what's "factually correct" because you still believe FOS LIES and take tweets at face value. LMAO Quote
West Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 (edited) Carlson provides an explanation for why Graham disavowed Zelinskyy 53 minutes ago, robosmith said: You've proven over and over that you don't know what's "factually correct" because you still believe FOS LIES and take tweets at face value. LMAO "FOS" has been closer to accurate in their predictions and analysis about democrats conspiracy theories than anybody else Edited March 2 by West Quote
robosmith Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 6 minutes ago, West said: Carlson provides an explanation for why Graham disavowed Zelinskyy "FOS" has been closer to accurate in their predictions and analysis about democrats conspiracy theories than anybody else Thanks for proving what I said is accurate. Both in one post. LMAO 2 2 Quote
Aristides Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 (edited) Tucker Carlson, the guy whose lies cost FOX almost 800 million. Lindsey Graham, the poster boy for political wind vanes. There isn't an ass he won't kiss or a insult he won't accept if he thinks that's the way the wind blows. Edited March 2 by Aristides 3 Quote
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