Trump and Vance Loudly Rebuke Zelensky in Oval Office | The New York Times

[Dougie93]

14 minutes ago, Scott75 said:

Ah ok, well that certainly sounds good 🙂

see how all this screeching hysteria coming from the left is just the Domino Theory of the early Cold War 

you couldn't negotiate with the Russians nor Chinese, because they were diabolical

and you couldn't decide that a front was not worth the effort and withdraw

because then "all the Dominoes would fall !" to include all of Western Europe

hence how America got stuck in Vietnam for 10,000 days

but then Nixon went to China and proved the theory wrong

at which point the Congress decided that it was not existential after all to abandon South Vietnam

[Aristides]

Kennedy, Eisenhower and Reagan would be turning in their graves listening to those two Aholes and watching them vote with Russia, North Korea and Belarus in the UN. Americas reputation among democracies has sunk so low, it can barely be seen.

[West]

53 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yeah but they helped influence millions of young Americans to vote for Trump, doesn't that count for something?

So? Diddy and a bunch of other vile entertainers swing Democrat 

[Aristides]

Want to know what it means to be mugged by a couple of gangsters? Trump and Vance just showed how it is done.

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Kennedy, Eisenhower and Reagan would be turning in their graves listening to those two Aholes and watching them vote with Russia, North Korea and Belarus in the UN. Americas reputation among democracies has sunk so low, it can barely be seen.

Kennedy backed a coup in South Vietnam while lying through his teeth to the American public about the war

Eisenhower overthrew Mossadeg and installed the Shah

Reagan supported Fascist regimes as American policy from Latin America to South Africa

America regularly votes against the entire UN in support of Israel

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, West said:

So? Diddy and a bunch of other vile entertainers swing Democrat 

That's no excuse for swinging. When did invoking another wrong to make things right become the gold standard for defending politicians?

Just about forever? That's no excuse either.

[West]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

That's no excuse for swinging. When did invoking another wrong to make things right become the gold standard for defending politicians?

Just about forever? That's no excuse either.

There are many vile people openly celebrated by the Democrat party. 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

You guys basically sat around and did nothing while millions of unvetted military age men walked across your southern border for four years in broad daylight .

Who is "you guys." Do you understand THE LAW requires immigrants the RIGHT to apply for asylum?

Of course Trump IGNORES that law and people like you cheer him on.

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

Did you have any concern when Putin annexed Crimea in 2014?

I personally had much concern that he would come back for more.

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

Maybe Biden shouldn't have said that a minor incursion by Russia wouldn't be a big deal?

Maybe you should find a quote.

Biden's 'minor incursion' comments, prediction of Putin ...

NBC News

https://www.nbcnews.com › news › world › biden-min...

 

Jan 20, 2022 — The president sought to clarify his position on Thursday, saying that any Russian troop movement into Ukraine will be seen as an invasion.

 

Ukrainian President pushes back on Biden: 'There are no ...

CNN

https://www.cnn.com › 2022/01/20 › politics › zelensk...

 

Jan 20, 2022 — ... Russia 'will move in' to Ukraine, but says 'minor incursion' may prompt discussion over consequences. “It's one thing if it's a minor incursion ...

[eyeball]

Just now, West said:

There are many vile people openly celebrated by the Democrat party. 

Vile like Putin you mean?

You'll excuse the Republican's association with the Tates till the cows come home too won't you?

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Radiorum said:

To publicly bully and humiliate a man fighting for the life of his country is despicable in the extreme (especially when you are supposed to be on the side of democracy).

It's not bullying when you're just standing up for yourself. 

The Polish reporter that spoke right before the argument and Zelensky were both insinuating that Trump was too friendly with Putin and that the US didn't do enough for Ukraine since the beginning of the invasion. Learn the f'ing language, dummy.  

Those guys did that to Trump and Vance right in the office, in front of the US/global media. 

Trump can't be on his back heel in front of America and the world, and he and Vance had the rights of it: Ukraine picked a fight that they couldn't win, and then the US had to help them keep their heads above water.

And just remember that while Zelenski was on the topic of all the peace guarantees that he was going for in 2019, none of America's will for peace that was on display at that point survived the transition to the Biden WH... As soon as Joe got in there, the desire for peace went out the window, and the desire to get Ukraine into NATO became the #1 priority. 

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This show will only play well with the most die-hard of Trump’s cult members.

History is watching, and will lump Trump and Vance in with the bad guys.

This show is called "ending the war", dummy. 

As long as America is just pumping money and weapons into Ukraine, and saying that Russia is evil, the war just keeps raging, and more importantly PEOPLE KEEP DYING. 

If you don't want war then you have to replace bullets with dialogue, and you have to replace violent propaganda with understanding. 

You're so f'ing stupid that the only thing that makes you happy is seeing Biden mumbling BS from the teleprompter that brings more death to Ukrainians and Russians alike.

Grow up you worthless little turd. This isn't about your opinion, it's about people's lives.  

4 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

the Bushie Neocon who fervently supported the Iraq War

he's been totally discredited in America as a result

44% of Americans are quick to forgive anyone who says "Orinj man bad".

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

I was not mistaken, I was aware at the time,  that the left fervently supported the Communists

in Cuba, in North Vietnam, in Chlle, in Angola, in Nicaragua, etcetera, etcetera

even in East Germany, where Vladimir Putin was operating out of as a KGB Lt. Colonel at the time

the only reason the left opposes the Kremlin now, is that the Kremlin is not Communist anymore

 

At the time?

Lefties still wear Castro and Che Guevera t-shirts. Colin Kaepernick did it and leftists didn't blink. 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

virtually every Democrat were in favour of invading Iraq.

Not to change the subject but actions not true. Most democrats opposed. The Iraq invasion was the partisan divisive issue if its day. The claim that most democrats supported it is Republican revisionism because they can never admit it when they’re wrong and they were not only wrong on this major issue but deliberately deceitful 

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

 

FFS America, get your shit together. Before the actual Free World uses your own concept ot "Regime Change" on you. Keep up the foot dragging about this Orange Lunatic who thinks he's the Emperor, or it may become a reality, by any means necessary.

Pick a lane:

1. No wun knose hoos runing the countree, or
2. Orinj man dictater

You can't have it both ways. 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, suds said:

You can spin it that way I guess. In reality these 'democratic countries' opted into a proxy war with Russia and no endgame in sight. At the very least, Trump's plan offers some type of endgame although the details are still rather sketchy. Both sides are likely going to have to give things up, and a means to finance the rebuild of Ukraine. I cant speak for Ukrainians but at this point I fail to see any better alternatives.

The thing is it really does sound at this point like trump's endgame is surrender. And that's not an actual end game

[BeaverFever]

15 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Kennedy backed a coup in South Vietnam while lying through his teeth to the American public about the war

Eisenhower overthrew Mossadeg and installed the Shah

Reagan supported Fascist regimes as American policy from Latin America to South Africa

America regularly votes against the entire UN in support of Israel

But all of those were to contain Russia not to support it. And none ever supported Russian aggression against another country especially a European one while simultaneously waging economic warfare against those western countries. 

14 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Pick a lane:

1. No wun knose hoos runing the countree, or
2. Orinj man dictater

You can't have it both ways. 

Sure you can. Incompetent dictator. History is full of examples. 

Edited March 1 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

10 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

At the time?

Lefties still wear Castro and Che Guevera t-shirts. Colin Kaepernick did it and leftists didn't blink. 

Kaepernick is not POTUS and Trump is not simply wearing a Putin t-shirt. 

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That was a shameful moment for the US.

That seems to be par for the course in NA lately.

When Trudeau's not embroiled in scandals, or denigrating Canadians for fake hijab hoaxes, paying off terrorists, bringing terrorists to state dinners in foreign countries, calling Canadians "racists and misogynists" just for not vaxing, calling the Japanese PM Chinese, forcing young people to take a jab that they don't need and then ignoring the side-effects, offering Canadians death instead of caring, or getting shuffled off to the kiddie table, Biden is talking to drapes, falling up stairs, falling off bikes, making up words like "nexelsrent" and forgetting how to speak English, smooching little kids on the mouth, etc.

From the inside I think we still feel pretty cool, but the world has been laughing at us a lot over the past 5 years. 

4 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

But all of those were to contain Russia ndot to support it. And none ever supported Russian aggression against another country especially a European one while simultaneously waging economic warfare against those western countries. 

Sure you can. Incompetent dictator. History is full of examples. 

By your own argument, he's still "running the country". 

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Kaepernick is not POTUS and Trump is not simply wearing a Putin t-shirt. 

And we weren't speaking about the POTUS, we were speaking about lefties who support communism. 

Maybe you think that "lefties" are "the president", but no one else is that dumb. 

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

the regime in Ukraine was not founded by democracy

there was a CIA backed violent revolutionary overthrow of the elected government in Kiev

the Maidan Revolution of February 2014

They don't like the truth. That just fell on deaf ears.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Matthew said:

How utterly embarrassing for the US.

Afghanistan just called. I couldn't hear what they were saying, they've been laughing so hard since the "really successful withdrawal". 

[BeaverFever]

42 minutes ago, West said:

There are many vile people openly celebrated by the Democrat party. 

Like who?  Republicans celebrate Putin, Orban, the Tate bros, Pinochet, Bolsonaro, Duterte. Alex Jones, Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, Nick Fuentes and more. Epstein was represented by prominent republican lawyers, one of whom has multiple scandals and yet still recently represented Trump. given an sweetheart plea deal by Republican officials and was Trumps party pal for decades. 
 

But Kaeppernick wore a Tshirt. 

[ironstone]

25 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Maybe you should find a quote.

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-suggests-russia-no-punishment-minor-ukraine-invasion-wh-clarify-2022-1?op=1

President Joe Biden appeared to suggest the US may not heavily punish Russia if it conducts a "minor incursion" into Ukraine, prompting the White House to swiftly clarify his remarks.

Speaking to reporters Wednesday, Biden said that he predicts President Vladimir Putin will invade Ukraine and that NATO needs to be in agreement on a response.

"I think what you're going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades, and it depends on what it does," Biden said.

"It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and we [NATO] end up having to fight about what to do and not to do."

 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, West said:

Zelensky has suspended all elections under the guise of national emergency. His ratings are in the tubes 

Trudeau must be sooooo jealous.

No elections, the opposition parties were kicked right out of gov't, and he just openly seized control of all the media outlets in Ukraine. 

[Dougie93]

19 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

But all of those were to contain Russia ndot to support it. And none ever supported Russian aggression against another country especially a European one while simultaneously waging economic warfare against those western countries.

because Russia was Communist then

while now it is the Western Europeans & Canadians who have gone Communist

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

But all of those were to contain Russia ndot to support it.

Irony must be the flip side of the coin that says Karma. I think there's a fair bit of both at play at the moment.

America was always sadly mistaken if they expected stability to emerge from the sorts of company it kept when trying to contain Russia. All they were ever doing was kicking a can down Reckoning Boulevard.

As for all the dead rancid president's out there Patton is probably laughing his ass off saying, told you so.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

see how all this screeching hysteria coming from the left is just the Domino Theory of the early Cold War 

Yabut whoever imagined America might be one of the dominos?