Liberal Party Takes Lead in Polls

[CdnFox]

23 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Don't know much about Karina Gould but saw her in a street interview and was impressed. She talked about having Carney in finance and Freeland in foreign affairs. Sounds like a good team.

What on earth makes you think that's a good team?

Do you think canada is doing well right now?

[Dougie93]

On 2/27/2025 at 8:08 AM, Aristides said:

The fact that 72% of Albertans said oil should be used as a weapon against Trump’s tariffs indicates little support for separation and joining the US.

based on your logic, almost one third of the population is open to the idea

which would be a shockingly high percentage in the Canada I grew up in

based on the four decades since Canada became the Multicultural Post National State

the direction is clear ; increasing Americanization with each generation

43% of Canadians under forty desire American citizenship already

once the Boomers die off, it is on trajectory to become the majority

I ask every Zoomer I meet ; what say you ? 

They are hardly patriotic for Canada, they mostly just shrug

I would acknowledge that Loyalist British North America is gone and its never coming back

yet it has not been replaced by a Republic of Canada

it has simply been replaced by a void,

which is inevitably being filled by America

Americanized Canadians are overwhelmingly Democrats rather than Republicans

but they are already de facto Americans none the less

Americanized Canadians no longer believe in their own constitution & political system

Canadians no longer defend nor uphold their Head of State

Canadians no longer practice Westminster Parliamentary Supremacy

Canadians already vote as if the Premiers are Governors and the Prime Minister is a President

Canadians no longer have their own accents nor dialect, they speak like Americans

anybody who aspires to greatness in Canada, is aiming for American fame & fortune

the millions of mostly Asian immigrants to Canada can't tell the difference nor do they care

Canada is simply fading away, becoming more irrelevant all the time

Manifest Destiny is not something which Donald Trump is imposing

it's simply a natural evolution in progress at this point

Edited February 28 by Dougie93

[Barquentine]

13 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Do you think canada is doing well right now?

Compared to what? Inflation is down, gdp is up.

Freeland was good in the usmca negotiations, Carney has the cred for finance.

Who do the pc's have. Axe the tax PP? Who else?

[ironstone]

On 2/25/2025 at 6:07 PM, TreeBeard said:

Poor Poilievre.  I almost feel sorry for him. 
 

What can the CPC do to turn around their down slide?  Maybe less slogans and more concrete answers?   Appeal more to the mainstream voter and stop with the fringe nonsense?  
 

https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/liberals-take-lead-first-time-since-2021

A lot of Canadians fell for 'sunny ways!'.  

Were you one of them?

[TreeBeard]

3 minutes ago, ironstone said:

A lot of Canadians fell for 'sunny ways!'.  

Were you one of them?

I was hopeful, but pessimistic.   I think Trudeau inspired some optimism.  All I see Poilievre inspire is anger and discontent.  

Edited February 28 by TreeBeard

[ironstone]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

I was hopeful, but pessimistic.   I think Trudeau inspired some optimism.  All I see Poilievre inspire is anger and discontent.  

It's fair game to criticize PP but it's also fair to point to the Liberals rather dismal record since 2015.

'Anger and discontent'. It is the job of the official opposition to hold the government to account.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Compared to what? Inflation is down, gdp is up.

Inflation is not down. The current inflation rate is down that is not the same thing in the slightest. GDP per capita is not only down it is down a shocking amount that has never happened before in Canadian history. It borders on being a collapse

Our debt to GDP is insanely High compared to our traditional norms,  our job market is taking, investment in business for the first time in Canadian history is leaving Canada at a higher rate than it's coming to Canada meaning that we're bleeding investment which has never happened before, and inflation for food and housing which are the two most expensive parts the people's lives is actually extremely high right now.

It's estimated 25% of people use the food bank at least once over the fall, a very high percentage of people pay more than 30% of their income in housing alone which is considered to be unsustainable. There's no room for additional taxes we're already driving people away and yet we can't pay our bills. And our deficits are the highest they've ever been in Canadian history year after year after year with no end in sight.

 we've lost trading partners or are doing worse with our trading partners, we're now about to go into a trade war with the US, and our industry's productivity is plummeting.

It doesn't get a lot worse than where we're at right now. This is absolutely horrible. And anything good you can point to is a facade that is about to crumble under the weight of what's about to happen.

So compared to that. That's what you want more of? That's what you really like to see for our future? Do you hate Canada or something

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

A lot of Canadians fell for 'sunny ways!'.  

Were you one of them?

I forgot about his Sunni ways quote lol. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

 

Freeland was good in the usmca negotiations, Carney has the cred for finance.

Who do the pc's have. Axe the tax PP? Who else?

Sorry, I forgot about this. Freeland was absolutely horrible in the usmca negotiations. We lost ground. She was the very first negotiator out of several that have worked on that file that came back with the worst deal than she started with. Worse yet she wound up publicly insulting Trump for no good reason and that's part of why he's behaving the way he is right now.

She would be utterly useless in any discussions with the US, and in fact doing so would be more likely to create trade conflict than anything.

The conservatives have a large number of possible people who would be excellent but of course we'll have to see who wins their ridings. They will undoubtedly be considerably better than the liberals. 

[Barquentine]

31 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That's what you really like to see for our future? Do you hate Canada or something

You've been listening to PP a bit too much.

[Barquentine]

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The conservatives have a large number of possible people

Possible people? No names?

[ironstone]

Maybe the shine might be coming off Carney just a bit?

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-peruvian-mayor-issues-warning-about-making-carney-canadas-pm

Mayor Lopez Aliaga says based on Carney’s actions when he was chairman of Brookfield Asset Management, there should be serious questions asked about Carney’s character. In an interview from Lima, Aliaga said Brookfield, chaired by Carney, was “making massive profits off a toxic contract” plagued by bribes.

“Canadians need to know the way Brookfield, under Mr. Mark Carney, operates here. They need to know how they obtain money from the suffering of poor people,” Aliaga said.

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Barquentine said:

You've been listening to PP a bit too much.

I've been looking at the facts of it too much  You should try that. If all you have is sticking your fingers in your ear and lying to yourself repetitively then what does that say about you and the people you support

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Possible people? No names?

Tonnes of names. But we'll have to see who's going to be available for what after the election. And honestly we both know that you don't really care, no matter what name i mention you'll ignore their track record or skills and try to find some scrap of dirt to throw out.  If i say jesus  is running for the cpc you'll complain about his history with booze and prostitutes. 

   But to be honest a dead possum would be a stronger name than the liberal bench these days. Freeland is beyond useless, carney is there to clean the cash register out,  and prety much all of the others have proven completely ineffective which is why they keep getting their portfolios juggled.  Leblanc is moderately talented but as a result and because he's the only one they've had him doing EVERYTHING.  How many hats is he wearing right now? It's insane. 

 

                                                         

[TreeBeard]

7 hours ago, ironstone said:

Maybe the shine might be coming off Carney just a bit?

Even a dull Carney seems to be better than the polished turd that is Poilievre?   The polls have been a disaster for PP the last week or two. 
 

it seems Canadians are looking to vote ABP.  Anyone. But. Poilievre.

[Barquentine]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

If i say jesus  is running for the cpc you'll complain about his history with booze and prostitutes

What I thought. No names. Just Chicken Little and his slogans.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Barquentine said:

What I thought. No names. Just Chicken Little and his slogans.

What i thought. No rebuttal. Just avoiding the facts and sticking your head in the sand. 

Well i did call it. Can't pretend to be surprised i guess  

So clearly the liberal line up is useless.  I mean, it's not even arguable, it's the same people for the last ten years and they've already ruined canada. 

the CPC has a large pool of very talented people.  And the leader is actually a leader.  I hear trudeau spent 1200 bucks a week on groceries for himself instead of dealing with trump. 

The left is truly a morally broken wasteland these days. Trudeau's second in command and trudeau's number 1 adviser trying to convince canada it's time for change  lol

well, the CPC will win this election. The libs will  be doing well to get 50 seats, and then you can sit  back and watch how it's done right. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Barquentine said:

What I thought. No names. Just Chicken Little and his slogans.

Whopsie doodle, another liberal 'victory' it would seem....

GDP per capita declined by 1.4% in 2024 as Canadians continue to get poorer on average

Yeah we're doing just great. 

[cougar]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

   But to be honest a dead possum would be a stronger name than the liberal bench these days.                                                        

😄 I like that!  The Dead Possum, I mean.   I will vote for a dead possum any time!

My political views change once ever 100 years! 

And cheers to that!

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Whopsie doodle, another liberal 'victory' it would seem....

GDP per capita declined by 1.4% in 2024 as Canadians continue to get poorer on average

Yeah we're doing just great. 

I wonder though if Canadians are willing to buy into the delusion that the Liberals are continuing to sell, which is that Canada can ignore basic economic realities like the impact of growing debt and public spending, ignore the defence of the country, slam the country’s once-proud history, and juice the growth numbers by using mass immigration to create the appearance of growth as actual per person GDP falls.

The Liberals keep repackaging the same irresponsible plan, yet somehow enough Canadians are willing to buy the lie if the messenger does a flashy enough sell job. That’s how I see what’s happening with Carney.  He is another elitist insider who has been supporting the current Liberal government’s agenda for years.

Poilievre isn’t flashy and he isn’t part of the global corporate inner circle.  Yes he’s been an MP a long time, but he never had a key cabinet position in Conservative government. He’s less of an insider in some ways than Trump, who has gamed media and real estate branding for decades.

Poilievre’s challenge is that he’s telling the true, important story that many Canadians don’t want to hear because it requires abandoning their delusion that Canada can continue to overspend, over govern, and ignore the defence of the country, both militarily and culturally.

I think we may have to wait through more years of foolish policy following this deluded model before Canadians finally realize what a paper tiger or white elephant the country has become.  It’s exactly this delusion which has made us more vulnerable to foreign influence than ever before.

Continuing down the path of this delusion will eventually reduce the number of options before us, because we won’t be bargaining on trade from a position of strength. We’ll have fewer resources to defend Canadian sovereignty.  The Liberals are essentially trying to repackage themselves as the Conservatives but with a better known international name as the front man, the same guy who has been flogging the Trudeau delusional model.  He might actually get away with it.

Trump is unfortunately encouraging this delusion to persist by not really mentioning or criticizing Carney.  I think it’s a big mistake for MAGA because if Trump’s plan is to squeeze Canada financially until it screams uncle and joins the U.S., he will have a Democrat electorate to absorb.  Instead, he should accept that Canada isn’t ready or willing to join the U.S. in the near future, using economic force against Canada will only breed contempt for his movement, and there’s a much wiser path that’s beneficial to both countries if Canada takes a conservative turn, gets its finances, defence, and cultural narrative in order, and forges an economic union with the U.S. that grants the benefits that the citizens of both countries want: unfettered access to both markets and freedom of employment and residence in both countries. Really at that point the U.S. has unlimited access to Canada without having to absorb it politically.  Canada gets unlimited access to the US without having to abdicate its sovereignty and control over federal policy.

The Conservatives can move the country towards more responsible government and strengthening the country so that we have more credibility and independence to fall back on in negotiations on trade and arrangements with the U.S.   The Conservatives actually believe in Canada’s cultural legacy.  The Liberals slam Canada publicly while claiming to stand up for it.  All Trudeau can say about what makes Canada unique is that we’re not American. Why?  Because he’s denigrated our history and emphasized a UN Chicom “Post National State.”  The idea that Carney is a radical departure from the party he advised is a stretch and a big gamble for Canadians.

Edited March 1 by Zeitgeist

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, cougar said:

😄 I like that!  The Dead Possum, I mean.   I will vote for a dead possum any time!

My political views change once ever 100 years! 

And cheers to that!

Exactly!  Who brought inflation down? Dead possum did. Who put isis in it's place? DP for the win. And dead possom-o-nomics is the most forward looking and progressive economic model we've seen to date. 

Vote DP in '25! 

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Poilievre’s challenge is that he’s telling the true, important story that many Canadians don’t want to hear because it requires abandoning their delusion that Canada can continue to overspend, over govern, and ignore the defence of the country, both militarily and culturally.

I wish i could give more than one emoji for that great post. To pick one point....

This is indeed the challenge.  PP is like a stern but loving father who's about to lay it out for a child that's gone wrong to get them back on track. 

The liberals are like the guy in the van offering the child candy. And an x-box. 

But that's democracy. You hope the people make the right choice. Whether they do or don't they get the gov't they deserve either way. 

Canada was a great country full of promise, it would be nice if the voters could pull it out of the trash heap the liberals have thrown it into and fix it back up a little. 

[Zeitgeist]

50 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I wish i could give more than one emoji for that great post. To pick one point....

This is indeed the challenge.  PP is like a stern but loving father who's about to lay it out for a child that's gone wrong to get them back on track. 

The liberals are like the guy in the van offering the child candy. And an x-box. 

But that's democracy. You hope the people make the right choice. Whether they do or don't they get the gov't they deserve either way. 

Canada was a great country full of promise, it would be nice if the voters could pull it out of the trash heap the liberals have thrown it into and fix it back up a little. 

And I think Canadians are deluding themselves if they think that some form of Trumpism won’t persist and Canada can keep pretending it can embrace government over-programming and ignore reality on defence and national values, which must be grounded in our cultural traditions or we simply become Dependent Post-National State Jurisdiction 1, ripe for US statehood or a lesser status as some form of protectorate.  I think smart Canadians are considering a future of trying to buck reality in the face of a constant threat of annexation and wondering if it’s better to succumb now, while we still have poker chips than wait until economic pressure decides for us.

We need a government that tells the truth to Canadians and explains that necessary sacrifices must be made, but that it’s worth the price for true sovereign independence. A responsible government doesn’t lean into continued irresponsibility. Greater economic union with the US through brokering a new deal may be the best option, but we have to bargain from a position of strength.  We are not where we should be, and the blame lies at the feet of our current political situation.  

Edited March 1 by Zeitgeist

[ironstone]

13 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Even a dull Carney seems to be better than the polished turd that is Poilievre?   The polls have been a disaster for PP the last week or two. 
 

it seems Canadians are looking to vote ABP.  Anyone. But. Poilievre.

Sounds to me like you've already fallen for 'Mr. Sunny Ways!; 2.0

A great analogy I heard regarding Carney replacing Trudeau, is like someone crapping their pants and then proceeding to change their shirt.

[SpankyMcFarland]

Anybody who even flirts with this 51st state stuff is poison to the Tories. We all know how nasty Poilievre can be. He’s got to direct that fire against Trump to show centrists fleeing his party he’s not a closet MAGA-fanboy.