CdnFox Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 Canadian military leaders warned soldiers are overweight | Ottawa Citizen I guess if you don't put forward budgets for them to have the gear and money to go out and be soldiers they might put on a few pounds sitting around. It's a serious problem and we need to talk about it i'm sure, but the timing is really rotten right now. Trump's already calling us out on our lack of gear, lack of spending and lack of military readyness saying we're relying entirely on the us and now the media's saying on top of it our soldiers are all fatties apparently (or that's how it'll read). Everything really is broken Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Venandi Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 (edited) That's been a problem for years but it's gotten worse with targeted recruiting. The traditional source of input, those 7% of the population who are "ready, willing and able" have not been the targeted group for years and it now shows to the point that everyone can notice it. The waiting list for those fit, rugged, young guys who you would think are perfect candidates (and a small number relatively speaking to start with) is so long that we lose them to things like policing and fire fighting... who are also hungry. Attrition results in the loss of your best people and it never applies to fat slackers.... those careers are measured in decades. We're 16,400 bodies down right now and even catching up to the pathetic number we should never have dropped below will be a challenge that will take years. It's to the point now that I think manning new equipment like UAV/UAS and P8 acquisitions will be challenging. And from that perspective, even a sudden increase in spending to 2% of GDP would create a unique problem... it would actually be hard to spend that money now. Cool eh? Edited February 15 by Venandi 1 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 It is not just the Military. "In 2023, around 30 percent of adults aged 18 years and older in Canada were obese, while 35.5 percent were overweight. Although the percentage of overweight adults stayed about the same from 2015 to 2022, the percentage of obese adults in the same time period increased by about four percentage points. In 2023, there were around nine million adults in Canada who were obese, while the number of adults who were overweight was almost 11 million. " 1 Quote It can be dangerous to believe things just because you want them to be true. - Sagan
Dougie93 Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 3 hours ago, Venandi said: That's been a problem for years but it's gotten worse with targeted recruiting. the Pentagon has the same problem ; 70% of US military personnel are overweight Quote
Venandi Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: In 2023, around 30 percent of adults aged 18 years and older in Canada were obese, while 35.5 percent were overweight. And many of them were the Covidi0ts who authored a wealth of hateful rhetoric and demanded the withholding of medical treatment from the unvaccinated. I say right back at em, how about me asserting that I don't want my tax dollars wasted on them because... they had a choice and choices have consequences. The difference here is that I would never do that nor would I even support the slightest movement in that direction. And as far as global warming goes, they produce 20% more carbon emissions than their fit neighbours. If you want to tax something, tax these folks. Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 4 hours ago, Venandi said: The traditional source of input, those 7% of the population who are "ready, willing and able" have not been the targeted group for years and it now shows to the point that everyone can notice it. The waiting list for those fit, rugged, young guys who you would think are perfect candidates (and a small number relatively speaking to start with) it's all in the mind as an instructor at Battleschool, I've seen many super fit athletic types fall to the side of the road and quit I've seen many out of shape pack a day smokers keep going no matter what we threw at them it's all about esprit de corps ; how bad do you want to be just another face in the ranks of the thin red line ? 1 1 1 Quote
Aristides Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: it's all in the mind as an instructor at Battleschool, I've seen many super fit athletic types fall to the side of the road and quit I've seen many out of shape pack a day smokers keep going no matter what we threw at them it's all about esprit de corps ; how bad do you want to be just another face in the ranks of the thin red line ? I believe that but how good would have those pack a day out of shape guys been if they were in shape non smokers. A majority of WW2 soldiers smoked but not many were overweight after going through a depression. Edited February 15 by Aristides Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Aristides said: I believe that but how good would have those pack a day out of shape guys been if they were in shape non smokers. it's not really a fitness contest it's all about aggression we were looking for who was most likely to go over the top when the whistle blew who was going to close with and destroy the enemy with maximum speed violence & aggression who was resolved to kill & die for the Regiment, Colours & Commander-in-Chief ? and in terms of what broke candidates ? it wasn't how far nor fast they could run, nor about how many push ups they could do it was sleep deprivation which made people quit most of all after a week without sleep, even the simplest tasks become difficult, it's an exponential weight upon your shoulders, can't focus, can't concentrate you start to hallucinate, becoming detached from reality, all you can think about is sleep it's psychological torture at the end, you are just putting one foot in front of the other ; keep going, don't quit Edited February 15 by Dougie93 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 1 hour ago, Venandi said: And many of them were the Covidi0ts who authored a wealth of hateful rhetoric and demanded the withholding of medical treatment from the unvaccinated. I say right back at em, how about me asserting that I don't want my tax dollars wasted on them because... they had a choice and choices have consequences. The difference here is that I would never do that nor would I even support the slightest movement in that direction. And as far as global warming goes, they produce 20% more carbon emissions than their fit neighbours. If you want to tax something, tax these folks. Whaaat??? My comments are to address the OP's post andwere to show that Canadians, as a group, are overweight and potentially obese. I have no idea what you are all about LOL Quote It can be dangerous to believe things just because you want them to be true. - Sagan
CdnFox Posted February 15 Author Report Posted February 15 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: It is not just the Military. "In 2023, around 30 percent of adults aged 18 years and older in Canada were obese, while 35.5 percent were overweight. Although the percentage of overweight adults stayed about the same from 2015 to 2022, the percentage of obese adults in the same time period increased by about four percentage points. In 2023, there were around nine million adults in Canada who were obese, while the number of adults who were overweight was almost 11 million. " A part of that is going to be just the aging population but I truly believe a large part of it is that while exercise may be encouraged actual physical activity has largely been discouraged in Canada. When I was a kid we were taken out into the woods constantly we voted we were extremely physical and everything that we did. Now most of that is kind of shut down. Physical activity especially for older individuals just isn't the thing it used to be. People are largely encouraged by the way our society and economics destruction to stay at home and keep their mouth shut and stay out of trouble and not burn any fuel. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Army Guy Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 7 hours ago, Venandi said: That's been a problem for years but it's gotten worse with targeted recruiting. The traditional source of input, those 7% of the population who are "ready, willing and able" have not been the targeted group for years and it now shows to the point that everyone can notice it. The waiting list for those fit, rugged, young guys who you would think are perfect candidates (and a small number relatively speaking to start with) is so long that we lose them to things like policing and fire fighting... who are also hungry. Attrition results in the loss of your best people and it never applies to fat slackers.... those careers are measured in decades. We're 16,400 bodies down right now and even catching up to the pathetic number we should never have dropped below will be a challenge that will take years. It's to the point now that I think manning new equipment like UAV/UAS and P8 acquisitions will be challenging. And from that perspective, even a sudden increase in spending to 2% of GDP would create a unique problem... it would actually be hard to spend that money now. Cool eh? There is no more accountability, you can be as fat as your want.....check some of those navy boys out....we were doing some Amphibious training in Halifax onboard one of their frigates using ribs to get to shore, and their own navy guys would say, don't get behind this guy he barely fits through the hatch ways, well over 350 lbs....that was years ago...... we use to have a program we called piggy parade, after 4 pm that group got another 1 hour of extra physical PT because they failed their BMI testing or failed to keep up on a run or other BN PT, can't do that anymore, can't call someone out publicly or privately for their lack fitness....same goes for basic discipline, a lot of SNRNCOs are afraid to call soldiers out because of the consequence's all it takes is for one accusation to be leveled and your career is basically halted....even if proven innocent....So things slide....lots of things...and trust me there are enough of these losers willing to do just that.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 (edited) Almost three-quarters of Canadian troops are overweight or obese: documents So I could probably run circles around these guys after all. 8 hours ago, Venandi said: And from that perspective, even a sudden increase in spending to 2% of GDP would create a unique problem... it would actually be hard to spend that money now. So, how much would it cost to use a defense model that includes a volunteer civilian militia to deter invasion? Put military assault rifles in people's households or store them close at hand along with other military grade arms like grenade launchers, mortars etc at fire departments, police stations, public works yards etc. Soldiers could be dispatched to provide training and tactical direction building on community based local knowledge. Police, firefighters and other first responders such as paramedics or SAR people could also receive extra training. I bet we'd have recruited a million volunteers within a month if we had something like that in place right now. Imagine what recruitment tables at Flag Day Events would look like. Edited February 15 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Dougie93 Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: or failed to keep up on a run or other BN PT Charles Company Sergeant Major's PT with MWO Dave Preeper if you fell to the rear, Dave Preeper was waiting to pounce "just look at'chas, you're WEAK ! You're on Sergeant Major's PT !" that was two a days, with Preeper himself leading the after work PT session you lived in fear of him, yet he was such a larger than life super soldier ; that you just did not want to disappoint him, you didn't want to be that guy in front of all the ranks you wanted to stay at the front, to stay in Preeper's good books, where he was laughing & joking with you 3 Commando Patrol Pathfinder VRI - Ex Coelis 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 2 hours ago, eyeball said: Almost three-quarters of Canadian troops are overweight or obese: documents So I could probably run circles around these guys after all. So, how much would it cost to use a defense model that includes a volunteer civilian militia to deter invasion? Put military assault rifles in people's households or store them close at hand along with other military grade arms like grenade launchers, mortars etc at fire departments, police stations, public works yards etc. Soldiers could be dispatched to provide training and tactical direction building on community based local knowledge. Police, firefighters and other first responders such as paramedics or SAR people could also receive extra training. I bet we'd have recruited a million volunteers within a month if we had something like that in place right now. Imagine what recruitment tables at Flag Day Events would look like. Not going to happen, the left has already declared war on any or most firearms....heads would explode all across the country if they announced your plan....Canadians are not responsible enough to have a system similar to the Swiss,or Israelis well at least according to the anti gun nuts...but then they have the budget to do all of that....I got a great idea you stick to fishing or boat tours , and leave the defense of the nation up to the professionals in the military .. We can not even provide that training to all our military members, just how do you think we could provide that to a bunch of Civvies...I can remember in Afghanistan taking a pistol off a Major, Air force officer because he had already put three rounds into the clearing pit.. ..he had no idea how it worked or what he was doing wrong....granted it was not his primary job, but he was still a Military member, the same thing has happened to army officers as well...Both he and i were not very happy that day... What we need is for the left and all the good idea faires to STFU, leave defence of the country to the Military, our military is in the state it is today because that is what the left wanted it to look like...It has never been this bad, not even in the decade of darkness, there was always funds for training back then...today not so much. Now there is not much of anything except broken liberal promises that will be swept away if another liberal government is elected....Let the military produce warriors, warriors that can fight when they are need, Lets as a nation start recruiting Canadians that match that profile, instead of looking for all the worlds special groups that are not really joining the military in the first place, and those that are don't stay long....purge those that do not fit into the warrior culture, reshape their minds and physical fitness to be warriors once more...in all 3 elements Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 53 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Not going to happen, Of course it isn't. Trump would probably see it as the pretext he needs to invade. So instead of our southern border PP's plan is to put troops on our northern border instead. Oh well, better tell our troops to keep the weight on, they'll need the fat for extra insulation. LMAO! Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 19 hours ago, eyeball said: Of course it isn't. Trump would probably see it as the pretext he needs to invade. So instead of our southern border PP's plan is to put troops on our northern border instead. Oh well, better tell our troops to keep the weight on, they'll need the fat for extra insulation. LMAO! Trump would laugh at the whole idea...Shit i'm still laughing... Well it does concern not only the US but NATO, and NORAD all of them have pointed out the lack of our northern security...Radars that can't track new hyper sonic missiles, well over 30 years old, that have not been updated...a very sparse military presence.... We have the longest undefended border on the planet, key word is undefended....defending it would only create a small speed bump for US forces....there is nothing Canadians could do to stop the US from taking over the country by force....remember this is what Canadians want, i don't know why your even bringing the topic up...you wanted social programs instead of a secure nation, secure borders, ...you got that is spades.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: We have the longest undefended border on the planet, key word is undefended....defending it would only create a small speed bump for US forces....there is nothing Canadians could do to stop the US from taking over the country by force... Of course not so our only defense will be to wage insurgency and t̶e̶r̶r̶o̶r̶i̶s̶m̶ freedom-fighting. 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: remember this is what Canadians want, i don't know why your even bringing the topic up...you wanted social programs instead of a secure nation, secure borders, ...you got that is spades.... Excuse me, but you've forgotten, as you always do, that I have long long supported arming ourselves to help rid the planet of dictators, many of whom the US installed. In lieu of that however I'm okay with social programs. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 28 minutes ago, eyeball said: Of course not so our only defense will be to wage insurgency and t̶e̶r̶r̶o̶r̶i̶s̶m̶ freedom-fighting. Excuse me, but you've forgotten, as you always do, that I have long long supported arming ourselves to help rid the planet of dictators, many of whom the US installed. In lieu of that however I'm okay with social programs. Sure how is that working out for the Palestinians, seen what the city of Gaza looks like....this is what insurgency brings...in a war where civilians pay the largest cost....are you willing to have your family pay that price.... Just as long we are not getting rid of terrorist, like the palestinians and there dictatorships of HAMAS, and PLO... Can't have both, unless you like to pay more in taxes.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 19 minutes ago, Army Guy said: ..are you willing to have your family pay that price.... Better dead than orange I say. 19 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Just as long we are not getting rid of terrorist, like the palestinians and there dictatorships of HAMAS, and PLO... So like Palestinians you're already referring to Canadians who resist as terrorists - it's really the Americans who are fighting for their freedom. Got it. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
herbie Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 OMG we can't have fat people piloting drones, pressing Launch buttons or searching lines of script! We'll need to make bigger tank hatches and canopies on fighter jets! And force the mechanics to wear suspender so we don't see their hairy butts! The world is coming to an end if they all can't quickly climb out of the trenches and storm Hamburger Hill. Quote
CdnFox Posted February 16 Author Report Posted February 16 1 hour ago, herbie said: OMG we can't have fat people piloting drones, pressing Launch buttons or searching lines of script! Right, there's no physical activity involved in the military. Every single time you see a chance to make yourself look stupid you're like 'hold my beer!" 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
taxme Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 On 2/14/2025 at 9:14 PM, CdnFox said: Canadian military leaders warned soldiers are overweight | Ottawa Citizen I guess if you don't put forward budgets for them to have the gear and money to go out and be soldiers they might put on a few pounds sitting around. It's a serious problem and we need to talk about it i'm sure, but the timing is really rotten right now. Trump's already calling us out on our lack of gear, lack of spending and lack of military readyness saying we're relying entirely on the us and now the media's saying on top of it our soldiers are all fatties apparently (or that's how it'll read). Everything really is broken The Canadian military is all about appearing to and being woke. The Canadian military are only now looking to implement woke, gender, trans and pronouns as their main goal for the Canadian military. It's no wonder that we really do not have much of a military anymore. When you go woke, you go broke and obese. The Canadian military does not want real men or women anymore. Just wimpy and girlie men ones that cannot fight themselves out of a wet paper bag. Canada has become such a woke and broke freaking mess. Have you ever seen a lineup of soldiers for some ceremony? There are tall ones and short ones. There are fat ones and skinny ones. They sometimes look like a circus act waiting to start their woke ass show. The Canadian uniforms are dull and boring looking. Not like the American uniforms that look just great. There is not much to talk about anymore. Canada is pretty much screwed because of politically correct wokeness. Even some Arab countries have better looking uniforms to look at. You are right? Everything is broken in Canada thanks in part to years of left wing liberal policies. We are a joke to the rest of the world. No country in the world cares less as to what Canada has to offer because we have nothing to offer the world, except for how to become woke and then broke. Believe it or not. 👎 Quote
Army Guy Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 22 hours ago, eyeball said: Better dead than orange I say. So like Palestinians you're already referring to Canadians who resist as terrorists - it's really the Americans who are fighting for their freedom. Got it. Yes...think how much freer they will be when sitting in your living room eating your kraft dinner...while you and yours are living in the woods trying to stay hidden from the drones... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 7 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Yes...think how much freer they will be when sitting in your living room eating your kraft dinner...while you and yours are living in the woods trying to stay hidden from the drones... I'll be left thinking better that than being you and yours serving them their dinner and cleaning up after them. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 (edited) Obesity is an inherited disorder exquisitely sensitive to environmental conditions. Both nature and nurture play a role. Imagine a native tribe exposed to smallpox for the first time. Most of the tribe may die in that first epidemic but a few are naturally better able to survive the infection. The genetic variants in the survivors would not have become apparent without the virus. Likewise, the appearance of constantly available calorie-dense food occurred around the Seventies in Western societies and exposed a vulnerability in about 70% of the population, many of whom are now overweight or obese, the most important factor being an inherited inability to feel full quickly enough when exposed to the likes of donuts and hamburgers. The other 30% remain fairly thin no matter what amount of food is put in front of them. Forget about willlpower, morality and even exercise as solutions. What’s needed is an ability to feel full. However, help is on the way, as Mr. Poilievre might say. Drugs like Ozempic cut down our thoughts of food and help us to feel full much more quickly. A lot of us will be on them when the cost comes down. Edited February 17 by SpankyMcFarland Quote
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