Canada should contribute funds to a U.S. plan to resettle Palestinians in other middle eastern countries

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

I do not understand as to why the world, especially America, gives so much of a crap about a shitty little country like Israel. What s Israel good for? It produces nothing. I guess that what i read once a long time ago is true. Israel does own America. 🤔

Israel is one of the only allies the Americans have in that region, they provide a vast amount of intelligence as well as a foothold, and they're very presence upsets the stability of many of the US's opponents. Back in the cold war days it helped the us to keep russian influence in the region to a minimum.  And of course the region is home to a good amount of the world's oil so all of that is very important to the us. 

 

 

[herbie]

See, I told you you can't even realize it affects your own opinion reasoning.
You're assuming as it happened before, it is still rational, ethical and acceptable to do today.
Repeating to make it absolutely clear: Gaza is not Israel's to give or America's to take. It is the home of those who live on it, and only those people can make decisions regarding it. Because another party else can because they are bigger and stronger does not make it just in any way, especially from one who professes their Christianity.
Am I entitled to take your computer or house away because I think you're not using it properly? Even if you're so shallow you regard Gaza as similarly just 'property'* that is still illegal and immoral.

* as Trump as shown in all his international dealings.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, herbie said:

See, I told you you can't even realize it affects your own opinion reasoning.

That's not actually a real sentence. But we'd agreed you leave the drinking to the weekend?

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You're assuming as it happened before, it is still rational, ethical and acceptable to do today.

What are you even talking about?

6 minutes ago, herbie said:

Repeating to make it absolutely clear: Gaza is not Israel's to give or America's to take.

Sure it is. America might have less justification but Israel certainly has all the justification and needs. Gaza started a war and is about to lose it. Israel has every right to dispose of it as they see fit as the victors and it is always been that way. The US and Russia carved up germany at the end of that war, america basically owned Japan for a number of years after that war, history is replete with it.

And who's going to stop them?

 

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Because another party else can because they are bigger and stronger does not make it just in any way, especially from one who professes their Christianity.

That has literally been a christian belief since about 4 weeks after Christ died

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Am I entitled to take your computer or house away because I think you're not using it properly? Even if you're so shallow you regard Gaza as similarly just 'property'* that is still illegal and immoral.

Not as long as both of us are playing by the law, but if you break into my house and try and steal it then I'm absolutely entitled to shoot you. That's what's happening to Gaza right now. They should have stuck with following the law

 

Gaza chose to F around and now they're finding out. Once they decided to throw the law out the window they lost their right to hide behind it. Now it's up to the Israelis to decide what happens to them and o.bviously as their primary funder the Americans are going to have a say.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Now it's up to the Israelis to decide what happens to them and o.bviously as their primary funder the Americans are going to have a say.

Sure, Israeli settlers have been eyeing up real estate in Gaza for months now. It's like they knew all along.

I bet Trump's got a nice place picked out too, he'll probably call it Marm-a-Lado.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure, Israeli settlers have been eyeing up real estate in Gaza for months now. It's like they knew all along.

 

I suspect that they would be more interested in just bulldozing it and calling it a memorial to incredible stupidity and stubbornness and the disadvantages of effing around and finding out  

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I bet Trump's got a nice place picked out too, he'll probably call it Marm-a-Lado.

LOL, well that or the 'trump gaza strip-mall'

I didn't want to think about the cost of rebuilding all of that would be

[blackbird]

On 2/18/2025 at 3:20 PM, taxme said:

I do not understand as to why the world, especially America, gives so much of a crap about a shitty little country like Israel. What s Israel good for? It produces nothing. I guess that what i read once a long time ago is true. Israel does own America. 🤔

Here's a thought.

The continual wars and conflicts in the middle east has a lot to do with Islam and their opposition to those they consider as infidels.  Israel/Jews are of course considered as infidels and the fact Israel's capital Jerusalem is also the location of what Muslims consider a major centre of their religion, although Jerusalem as Israel's capital goes back several thousand years.  Islam only began in the 7th century A.D.   

Therefore the militant Islamists like Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood and other terrorist groups will always want the destruction of Israel.  But they also consider the west, especially the U.S., as infidels and enemies of Islam.  The west has been historically Judeo-Christian while the middle east is mainly Islamic. 

Therefore we should understand that Israel being geographically in the centre of the Muslim world, is a kind of bulwark between Islam and the western nations.  As a consequence their attention is focused heavily against Israel.  If Israel did not exist, they would turn much more attention to the west.  So in that sense Israel is on the frontline defending the west.  

We should keep that in mind and be more appreciative of their defence of their security and freedom as a democratic country.  They are the only democratic country in the middle east and their people live much like westerners.  Our security is closely related to what is going on in the middle east.

[Videospirit]

Are these middle eastern countries voluntarily accepting these refugees? If not, hell to to no to that.

 

[taxme]

On 2/19/2025 at 8:29 PM, blackbird said:

Here's a thought.

The continual wars and conflicts in the middle east has a lot to do with Islam and their opposition to those they consider as infidels.  Israel/Jews are of course considered as infidels and the fact Israel's capital Jerusalem is also the location of what Muslims consider a major centre of their religion, although Jerusalem as Israel's capital goes back several thousand years.  Islam only began in the 7th century A.D.   

Therefore the militant Islamists like Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood and other terrorist groups will always want the destruction of Israel.  But they also consider the west, especially the U.S., as infidels and enemies of Islam.  The west has been historically Judeo-Christian while the middle east is mainly Islamic. 

Therefore we should understand that Israel being geographically in the centre of the Muslim world, is a kind of bulwark between Islam and the western nations.  As a consequence their attention is focused heavily against Israel.  If Israel did not exist, they would turn much more attention to the west.  So in that sense Israel is on the frontline defending the west.  

We should keep that in mind and be more appreciative of their defence of their security and freedom as a democratic country.  They are the only democratic country in the middle east and their people live much like westerners.  Our security is closely related to what is going on in the middle east.

When the Jews stole the land from the Palestinians. that was when Hamas was created. Israel is just a shit disturber in the Middle East. Israel does not want peace, just war with the Arabs. Sadly, America goes along with Israel and gives them billions every year in money and military hardware. It is costing the American taxpayers hundreds of billions of their hard earned tax dollars just to keep alive that shitty little country that does nothing to help make and keep the world safe. Protect Israel if you want to, but you know that i am right. My opinion.    

[taxme]

On 2/18/2025 at 5:45 PM, CdnFox said:

Israel is one of the only allies the Americans have in that region, they provide a vast amount of intelligence as well as a foothold, and they're very presence upsets the stability of many of the US's opponents. Back in the cold war days it helped the us to keep russian influence in the region to a minimum.  And of course the region is home to a good amount of the world's oil so all of that is very important to the us. 

 

 

There would be no problems in the Middle East if Israel did not exist or just mind it' own business. If Israel is there to try and keep the peace, then why the hell are they trying to blow Gaza and the Palestinians to pieces. Israel is there for one reason only. To be the shit disturber in the Middle East. The only country that gives a crap about that shitty little country called Israel is America. If the American taxpayer's knew how much in taxes it costs them every year, they would be really amazed and probably really pizzed off. While many cities in America are suffering from floods and fires, they get nothing from the government, while Israel gets hundreds of billions of American tax dollars. A well known fact.  

[herbie]

Oh FFS has everyone forgotten tat Jordan fought a bloody war to boot the Palestinians out of Jordan? THey tried to overthrow the govt there.
Egypt's put an long effort to control the ones in the Sinai and the m0ron Trump thinks he can just tell them to take the Palestinians he deports?

That goes with the sheer gall of thinking he has any right whatsoever to remove them from their own homeland.

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, taxme said:

There would be no problems in the Middle East if Israel did not exist or just mind it' own business.

The middle east has had endless problems before Israel came along, and has had plenty of non-israel related conflicts and problems since. I do not believe for a moment you could possibly make the claim that if Israel wasn't there things would be peaceful

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If Israel is there to try and keep the peace, then why the hell are they trying to blow Gaza and the Palestinians to pieces.

I don't think they were attempting to keep the peace, I think they were attempting to defend themselves against attack. Blowing those that have tried to kill you into small pieces is it effective way to stop them from trying to kill you in the future, provided you get them all.

 

 

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Israel is there for one reason only. To be the shit disturber in the Middle East. 

Let's get real. The vast majority of Israelis would be perfectly happy and content to live peaceful lives and make their way in the world. The vast majority would prefer peace. It is the Palestinians in the region who have sworn never to rest until Israel is destroyed. The simple fact is if The Palestinians laid down their guns tomorrow they would have peace. If Israel laid down its guns tomorrow there would be a New holocaust.

[SkyHigh]

On 2/5/2025 at 3:54 PM, Army Guy said:

Palestinians will always be part of some terrorist group, regardless of where they are in the world....Thats why Arab countries don't want them, they are nothing but trouble....

I agree, Jesus was a Palestinian and the Romans would have considered his little band as a terrorist group 

[Venandi]

Jesus was Jewish, was born in the Land of Judea and that's what the Romans called it during the course of his lifetime. So, If you're of the mind to call it something it wasn't during his lifetime you could just as easily skip further ahead and say he was Israeli. Then again, even though Rome was an occupying force during his life (and at the time of the change) I'm guessing you aren't inclined to do that, right?

In like manner, anyone who was born, raised and died in "Waszush Onigum" would never have known they were from Rat Portage. If you want to skip further ahead to 1904 and beyond  you'd say they were from Kenora.  

Look at that... even MAGA hyenas can play the name game. 

 

Edited February 24 by Venandi

[josej]

I think it's not just a question of what we call places or identities, but what narratives we choose to explain history.

[Venandi]

7 hours ago, josej said:

I think it's not just a question of what we call places or identities, but what narratives we choose to explain history.

Indeed, and the deliberate manipulation of cultural topography is usually narrative driven... especially here.

Taken a step further, misuse of the term terrorist is as well. Numerous organizations have different definitions of terrorism, there are subtle differences between the UN, RCMP, FBI, Home Land Security, Canadian Forces etc. but really, they're all variations of a similar theme. 

The life of Jesus didn't fit a single parameter of any of the definitions... and the poster above knows it, as does any grade 9 history student who didn't sleep through the entire semester.

Edited February 24 by Venandi

[taxme]

On 2/21/2025 at 5:38 PM, CdnFox said:

The middle east has had endless problems before Israel came along, and has had plenty of non-israel related conflicts and problems since. I do not believe for a moment you could possibly make the claim that if Israel wasn't there things would be peaceful

I don't think they were attempting to keep the peace, I think they were attempting to defend themselves against attack. Blowing those that have tried to kill you into small pieces is it effective way to stop them from trying to kill you in the future, provided you get them all.

 

 

Let's get real. The vast majority of Israelis would be perfectly happy and content to live peaceful lives and make their way in the world. The vast majority would prefer peace. It is the Palestinians in the region who have sworn never to rest until Israel is destroyed. The simple fact is if The Palestinians laid down their guns tomorrow they would have peace. If Israel laid down its guns tomorrow there would be a New holocaust.

You are so full of Israeli lies and bull shit. Are you a spokesthingy for Israel? I could careless about the feud between the Jews and the Arabs. Let them kill each other. I just do not understand as to why Canada and America should give a crap about a shitty little country like Israel. Israel is just there to be a shit disturber and nothing more. Continuing to bomb the hell out of the Palestinians almost everyday who are unable to fight back seems a bit too much. The only way that they are getting away with their bombing of the Palestinians is because of America who Israel has said that they own America. America has no say as to what Israel does. Just shut up America, and keep sending us your tax dollars and military equipment. Believe it or not. 😇 

[PIK]

How happy could the Palestinians be today if Arafat said yes to the deal in 2000?  98% of what they wanted? And Arafat said No, not even using it as a good start. Arafat signed their death warrant that day.

[eyeball]

56 minutes ago, PIK said:

How happy could the Palestinians be today if Arafat said yes to the deal in 2000?  98% of what they wanted? And Arafat said No, not even using it as a good start. Arafat signed their death warrant that day.

It was a shitty deal.

And it was actually Yigal Amir the hard right wing religious conservative that assassinated Yitzhak Rabin who steered the ME peace process into the toilet. It also became a symbol of the deep schism between religious conservatives and secular leftists. That's really why the ME doesn't have a chance.

Reports of the outcome of the summit have been described as illustrating the Rashomon effect, in which the multiple witnesses gave contradictory and self-serving interpretations.[3][4][5][6] After the summit, the Israeli narrative was widely accepted by the American media, which sought to cast Arafat as a villain and that Palestinians did not want peace.[7] That narrative lead to the decline of the Israeli peace movement.[7]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit

 

 

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, taxme said:

You are so full of Israeli lies and bull shit. Are you a spokesthingy for Israel? I could careless about the feud between the Jews and the Arabs. Let them kill each other. I just do not understand as to why Canada and America should give a crap about a shitty little country like Israel. Israel is just there to be a shit disturber and nothing more. Continuing to bomb the hell out of the Palestinians almost everyday who are unable to fight back seems a bit too much. The only way that they are getting away with their bombing of the Palestinians is because of America who Israel has said that they own America. America has no say as to what Israel does. Just shut up America, and keep sending us your tax dollars and military equipment. Believe it or not. 😇 

LOL kid, you're drooling again  

Everything i said is true even if it hurts your feelings. 

As to why we should give a crap about israel, the argument is that they provide a very useful 'base' as an ally in a sea of hostility, and if we didn't have that the russians would have complete influence in the area. 

now, you can make an argument that we shouldn't care about that.  The us does because until very recently there were extremely dependent on the oil from the region.  But maybe we don't need the help any more. 

But that's why we 'care'.  

Master blowing up the Palestinians, the Palestinians always try to kill them first. The Palestinians pick a fight because they know they're going to lose. They hope that losing and getting a bunch of their civilians killed will create sympathy. And have you considered that if America and Canada and the rest of the world didn't have something to offer and therefore take away from Israel that Israel would just be done with it and kill every single one of them? 

America does exert a great deal of influence over Israel as fate would have it. And that's because of the relationship they have, like I said without that Israel, which is a nuclear power by the way, would probably kill every Palestinian because they wouldn't feel enabled to deal with the attacks on their own.

Personally I'm a bit of an isolationist and I say they should just slug it out and let the chips fall where they may. But I can understand that other people don't like that idea. And I do believe in Israel's right to defend itself.

 

[taxme]

16 hours ago, CdnFox said:

LOL kid, you're drooling again  

Everything i said is true even if it hurts your feelings. 

As to why we should give a crap about israel, the argument is that they provide a very useful 'base' as an ally in a sea of hostility, and if we didn't have that the russians would have complete influence in the area. 

now, you can make an argument that we shouldn't care about that.  The us does because until very recently there were extremely dependent on the oil from the region.  But maybe we don't need the help any more. 

But that's why we 'care'.  

Master blowing up the Palestinians, the Palestinians always try to kill them first. The Palestinians pick a fight because they know they're going to lose. They hope that losing and getting a bunch of their civilians killed will create sympathy. And have you considered that if America and Canada and the rest of the world didn't have something to offer and therefore take away from Israel that Israel would just be done with it and kill every single one of them? 

America does exert a great deal of influence over Israel as fate would have it. And that's because of the relationship they have, like I said without that Israel, which is a nuclear power by the way, would probably kill every Palestinian because they wouldn't feel enabled to deal with the attacks on their own.

Personally I'm a bit of an isolationist and I say they should just slug it out and let the chips fall where they may. But I can understand that other people don't like that idea. And I do believe in Israel's right to defend itself.

 

America does not need to have and support Israel at all. America has gone into Libya and Iraq and killed both their leaders. Apparently, Israel has something like 400 nuclear warheads. What or how did a country like Israel manage to get their hands on so many warheads? I believe that here in Canada, we do not even have one warhead. 

It makes no common sense as to why Palestinians would want to pick a fight with Israel if they knew that they were going to lose? And trying to pizz off Israel so as to create sympathy from the rest of the world and get them selves slaughter makes no common sense at all and neither do you.  Hello? You enjoy pushing Israeli propaganda all the time. 

I believe that it was BiDumb that was putting a bit of pressure on Israel at times. Israel rules over America and you know it. Unfortunately, The Palestinians cannot defend themselves. They just can only sit there and wait for a bomb to drop on their heads. We all know that Israel is the aggressor here. Quit with trying to be the PR person for Israel. 😇

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

America does not need to have and support Israel at all.

They feel they do, 

 

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America has gone into Libya and Iraq and killed both their leaders. Apparently, Israel has something like 400 nuclear warheads. What or how did a country like Israel manage to get their hands on so many warheads? I believe that here in Canada, we do not even have one warhead. 

America is able to successfully conduct operations in those countries partly because of their relationship with israel which provides information and logistics. 

ANd isreal has the bomb because they developed it along with south africa i believe. (which is a real plot twist). Canada CHOSE not to have the bomb, we could have had them no problem. 

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It makes no common sense as to why Palestinians would want to pick a fight with Israel if they knew that they were going to lose?

Sure it does. Every time they pick the fight and lose they go screaming to the united nations who turns around and forces Israel to stop and then gives hamas lots of money and perks and power. This has worked several times now.

Unfortunately this time they failed to truly understand the backlash that would come from killing that many civilians and taking that many prisoners. The united nations has not come to their rescue and they are getting the crap beaten out of them and they don't know how to stop it 

  And trying to pizz off Israel so as to create sympathy from the rest of the world and get them selves slaughter makes no common sense at all and neither do you.  Hello? You enjoy pushing Israeli propaganda all the time. 

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I believe that it was BiDumb that was putting a bit of pressure on Israel at times. Israel rules over America and you know it. Unfortunately, The Palestinians cannot defend themselves. They just can only sit there and wait for a bomb to drop on their heads. We all know that Israel is the aggressor here. Quit with trying to be the PR person for Israel. 😇

Biden did put some pressure on Israel, he was trying to walk both sides of the fence by both supporting them for the Jewish community and opposing them for the Palestinian community and is often the case in such circumstances he wound up making neither happy.

 and yes, the Palestinians at this point are just getting bombed into small bite-sized pieces and there's very little they can do. Hamas could surrender tomorrow but won't.

Hamas and Gaza Went A bridge too far with their attack and now it's got out of control for them. They would have been better off trying to negotiate something under Biden, I don't think trump is going to have much sympathy for them

And stop whining, or I'll take your Soother away  

[taxme]

On 2/26/2025 at 4:52 PM, CdnFox said:

They feel they do, 

 

America is able to successfully conduct operations in those countries partly because of their relationship with israel which provides information and logistics. 

ANd isreal has the bomb because they developed it along with south africa i believe. (which is a real plot twist). Canada CHOSE not to have the bomb, we could have had them no problem. 

Sure it does. Every time they pick the fight and lose they go screaming to the united nations who turns around and forces Israel to stop and then gives hamas lots of money and perks and power. This has worked several times now.

Unfortunately this time they failed to truly understand the backlash that would come from killing that many civilians and taking that many prisoners. The united nations has not come to their rescue and they are getting the crap beaten out of them and they don't know how to stop it 

  And trying to pizz off Israel so as to create sympathy from the rest of the world and get them selves slaughter makes no common sense at all and neither do you.  Hello? You enjoy pushing Israeli propaganda all the time. 

Biden did put some pressure on Israel, he was trying to walk both sides of the fence by both supporting them for the Jewish community and opposing them for the Palestinian community and is often the case in such circumstances he wound up making neither happy.

 and yes, the Palestinians at this point are just getting bombed into small bite-sized pieces and there's very little they can do. Hamas could surrender tomorrow but won't.

Hamas and Gaza Went A bridge too far with their attack and now it's got out of control for them. They would have been better off trying to negotiate something under Biden, I don't think trump is going to have much sympathy for them

And stop whining, or I'll take your Soother away  

As if Israel has not killed thousands of civilians and has not taken prisoners also. Hello? 

If you are talking about some attack on Israel on Oct. 7th, i do not believe that it happened as told. I believe that was just an excuse for Israel to continue to bomb the crap out of the Palestinians. Anyone that believes the lies that come out of Israel is an imbecile. Hello? 

Israel could surrender tomorrow and there would be peace in the Gaza. Hello? If America would stop giving guns and other military equipment to Israel, the war would end tomorrow. But, like Ariel Sharon once said, Israel owns America and it dam well shows. 

I got rid of my soother when i was very very young. But it sure sounds to me like you could use one, PR man for Israel. That should stop you from running your mouth off all the time about poor old Israel. 😁

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, taxme said:

As if Israel has not killed thousands of civilians and has not taken prisoners also. Hello? 

Whether Israel did or didn't makes absolutely no difference. These people had a choice, and they chose to support the murder of 1200 innocent women and children without warning in an Undeclared conflict.

Sorry, at that point the other guy gets to declare war on you.  you don't get to go back in history and try and excuse that. There's absolutely nothing that makes that okay.

4 hours ago, taxme said:

Israel could surrender tomorrow and there would be peace in the Gaza

If Hamas laid down its arms there would be peace and Gaza. If Israel laid down its arms there would be a second holocaust

And if there is no peaceful solution then one side or the other is going to have to get wiped out so that this ends.

 hamas knew what they were starting. I'm also knew what would happen. And the people knew what Hamas intended to do even if they didn't know the specifics of this plan. I'm asked only thought that the UN would step in but what they did was so horrific that this time the united nations did not.

 They started this particular war and either they finish it by surrendering it or Israel's going to finish it by wiping them out. That's basically the choice they have right now

[taxme]

19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Whether Israel did or didn't makes absolutely no difference. These people had a choice, and they chose to support the murder of 1200 innocent women and children without warning in an Undeclared conflict.

Sorry, at that point the other guy gets to declare war on you.  you don't get to go back in history and try and excuse that. There's absolutely nothing that makes that okay.

If Hamas laid down its arms there would be peace and Gaza. If Israel laid down its arms there would be a second holocaust

And if there is no peaceful solution then one side or the other is going to have to get wiped out so that this ends.

 hamas knew what they were starting. I'm also knew what would happen. And the people knew what Hamas intended to do even if they didn't know the specifics of this plan. I'm asked only thought that the UN would step in but what they did was so horrific that this time the united nations did not.

 They started this particular war and either they finish it by surrendering it or Israel's going to finish it by wiping them out. That's basically the choice they have right now

I do not believe that there were 1200 Jews that died in Israel. That was all bullshit. But if it did really happen, then 1200 compared to tens of thousands of Palestinians is a drop in the bucket. If Israel is trying to make a point here, so, enough already. They have killed enough Palestinians. Take a bloody break, Israel. 🤔

Unless Israel gave all of it's weapons away, ya sure, then there possibly could be another Holohoax, I mean Holocaust. But that will never happen, and you know it. 

No one at the UN trusts or believes anything Israel says. And no country at the UN likes Israel. I wonder why?  🤔

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[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, taxme said:

I do not believe that there were 1200 Jews that died in Israel. That was all bullshit. But if it did really happen, then 1200 compared to tens of thousands of Palestinians is a drop in the bucket.

And the Palestinians are responsible for both.   all the more reason to get rid of them