Zeitgeist Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: before Trump ; "Canada is a White Supremacist Settler Colonial Abomination guilty of Genocide by the UN definition !" enter Trump ; "come all you bold Canadians, rally round the Colours !" MAGA FTW Isn’t that the truth? Like I don’t want tariffs because ultimately our trade is pretty balanced and I don’t want our economy or people hurt. I do like watching the country sharpen up to the things we should’ve been worrying about all along. The fluffy identity politics Liberal overspending and anti-Canadian rhetoric was the stuff of out of touch ideologues who don’t understand what matters to people and what makes a country strong. It’s like interior decorators were put in charge of the military and the whole point of government was forgotten. Edited February 4 by Zeitgeist Quote
CdnFox Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 11 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said: The country spoke as one, except for the MAGA traitor in Alberta. Trudeau dressed her down spectacularly too. You got that backwards. And trudeau caved and said he woudln't take action without the support of all premiers, and sask and one other province took her side, and if anything she dressed him down pointing out it's his fault alberta only has one customer. Nice try tho 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Chrissy1979 Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 12 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: exactly the opposite Trudeau said that the GoC would not do anything without consulting the Premiers Canada is not going to get out ahead of the Provinces there will be no export tariffs on Canadian energy that was all for Alberta You didn't see the press conference, obviously. Canada has never been so unified. The MAGA CPCers are the only ones not in with Canada Quote
Barquentine Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Canada is in fact the world banking superpower Good for us. Quote
Zeitgeist Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 1 minute ago, Chrissy1979 said: You didn't see the press conference, obviously. Canada has never been so unified. The MAGA CPCers are the only ones not in with Canada Canada in 2014 under Harper - Strong dollar, low inflation, low unemployment, low debt, international respect, strong national pride, thriving families Canada in 2025 under Trudeau - PM referred to as governor, size of government increased by 40%, double the debt, national pride at all time low, martial law declared and deemed unnecessary, climbing unemployment, weak dollar, discriminatory racialized-only jobs, high and climbing home prices and cost of living, increased assisted suicide, leading cause of death among youth is hard drug use, rising violent crime… Quote
Moonbox Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 39 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Over the next 30 days he's going to be going after what he really wants. And that wasn't some cheesy concessions for the border and naming someone The fentanyl czar. Bizarrely we seem to share the same thoughts, especially on the political theatre. I wonder, however, if people are thinking about this the wrong way. Instead of having any real concrete objectives that he wants to achieve with all of this chaos, I suspect the chaos and anxiety actually is the goal. Sometimes it just looks like he wants to break things - alliances, norms, rules etc that he doesn't care for, and make it so they're not easy to fix. This has caused lasting damage to the Canada-US relationship already. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Dougie93 Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said: Isn’t that the truth? Like I don’t want tariffs because ultimately our trade is pretty balanced and I don’t want our economy or people hurt. I do like watching the country sharpen up to the things we should’ve been worrying about all along. The fluffy identity politics Liberal overspending and anti-Canadian rhetoric was the stuff of out of touch ideologues who don’t understand what matters to people and what makes a country strong. It’s like interior decorators were put in charge of the military and the whole point of government was forgotten. if only we could leverage all this patriotic fervour for the RCN "okay, Trump, we'll join your war against China, but we want into AUKUS" "never mind 12 SSK's, those are useless in the Arctic, we want SSN's, we'll buy four of them right now" SSN-880 HMCS Resolute SSN-881 HMCS Repulse SSN-882 HMCS Rideau SSN-883 HMCS Rimouski 1 Quote
betsy Posted February 4 Author Report Posted February 4 (edited) 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Bottom line....Trump got what he wanted....tighter control of the border by Canada and Canada pays for it LOL No sweetening... coerced into it maybe, but Trudeau caved. just like Trump wanted LOL For ROUND 2 in their negotiations next month, I can see it now...... ......................what Trump will be demanding from Trudeau: I DON'T WANT ANY OF YOUR FREAKING MARIJUANA CROSSING THAT BORDER! 😁 Edited February 4 by betsy Quote
Zeitgeist Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: if only we could leverage all this patriotic fervour for the RCN "okay, Trump, we'll join your war against China, but we want into AUKUS" "never mind 12 SSK's, those are useless in the Arctic, we want SSN's, we'll buy four of them right now" SSN-880 HMCS Resolute SSN-881 HMCS Repulse SSN-882 HMCS Rideau SSN-883 HMCS Rimouski Well that’s what it’s all about. Want to play with the big boys? Act like one. Featuring on Drag Race and bragging about how feminist he is won’t cut it for PM, not even for governor. Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Well that’s what it’s all about. Want to play with the big boys? Act like one. Featuring on Drag Race and bragging about how feminist he is won’t cut it for PM, not even for governor. Seapower is strategic power, the ultimate arm of decision also a great jobs program, something Canada can build in Canada never mind the costs, a tariff war would cost hundreds of billions meanwhile Chantier-Davie is just sitting there on the St. Lawrence waiting for the GoC to order some ships build two LHD / Drone Carriers LHD-100 HMCS Juno LHD-101 HMCS Vimy if the Aussies can do it, why not Canada ? Edited February 4 by Dougie93 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 19 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Bizarrely we seem to share the same thoughts, especially on the political theatre. I wonder, however, if people are thinking about this the wrong way. Instead of having any real concrete objectives that he wants to achieve with all of this chaos, I suspect the chaos and anxiety actually is the goal. Sometimes it just looks like he wants to break things - alliances, norms, rules etc that he doesn't care for, and make it so they're not easy to fix. This has caused lasting damage to the Canada-US relationship already. I don't doubt at all that there is an element to his thinking which basically is if you shake the tree hard enough maybe some fruit (or nuts) will fall out to pick up. I'm quite sure he thought if I make enough of a fuss and pretend it's about the border then they'll come and offer me something and whatever they offer is something I got for free. But I do believe that there are a handful of things that he wants. It was never happy hat he only got a little bit of an increase in the amount of dairy and such he could sell in canada during the last free trade deal. Obviously wants that to be much higher or better yet no restrictions. He specifically mentioned banking but I think there's a few other things he wants as well that are currently limited. I think he also wanted to send a message to American companies that you might want to be careful about putting your manufacturing in other countries because you never know when a trade war will break out and then your bankrupt. (car industry..... staaaaaaaaaaarre) But I do believe that you're correct in that he does see chaos as having value all on its own. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Dougie93 Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 31 minutes ago, Barquentine said: Good for us. until you get Debanked for having "unacceptable views" about sex change operations for brainwashed minors Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said: Canada in 2014 under Harper - Strong dollar, low inflation, low unemployment, low debt, international respect, strong national pride, thriving families Canada in 2025 under Trudeau - PM referred to as governor, size of government increased by 40%, double the debt, national pride at all time low, martial law declared and deemed unnecessary, climbing unemployment, weak dollar, discriminatory racialized-only jobs, high and climbing home prices and cost of living, increased assisted suicide, leading cause of death among youth is hard drug use, rising violent crime… Trudeau is not the cause merely the result of lunatic leftist kooks from downtown Toronto running all the provinces as their subjugated colonies for a decade Glenn Gould's Toronto the Good overthrown by Mao Zedong's Cultural Revolution Quote
myata Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 Now, who needs another obvious, factual and staring in the face proof that: A. Caving in to a bully never works. B. Standing to a bully in a determined and united way, works often or almost always. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Barquentine Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 42 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: until you get Debanked for having "unacceptable views" about sex change operations for brainwashed minors Oh give me a break! You can do better than that. (I hope) 1 Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 (edited) 11 minutes ago, myata said: Now, who needs another obvious, factual and staring in the face proof that: A. Caving in to a bully never works. B. Standing to a bully in a determined and united way, works often or almost always. depends what you are standing up to the bully in defence of if you are only standing up to Donald Hitler in order to defend & uphold Justin Stalin can't really call that a win Edited February 4 by Dougie93 Quote
eyeball Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: Instead of having any real concrete objectives that he wants to achieve with all of this chaos, I suspect the chaos and anxiety actually is the goal. Sometimes it just looks like he wants to break things - alliances, norms, rules etc that he doesn't care for, and make it so they're not easy to fix. There's a lot of this going on alright and he's tapped into the destructiveness that's been running through America's right-wing base since it was captured by the wave of populism that swept up the likes of the Tea Partiers and finally swamped the Republicans with MAGA. He's the Vandal and Troll in Chief. In the meantime the opportunistic sharks following Trump's ship around is who we probably need to keep an eye on. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Dougie93 Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Barquentine said: Oh give me a break! You can do better than that. (I hope) merely an observation ; Canadian banks run Canada as their fiefdom ; none can afford to defy them therein the American banking system was intended to prevent a banking cartel Canada is the opposite, the Canadian banking cartel is by design the Bank of Canada is not the government the Bank of Canada can decide if a Canadian government falls or not if any government defied the banking cartel, the banks could bring them down in an afternoon who prints the money, or not ? Who raises the interest rate, or not ? it's not the Prime Minister, it's not the Parliament sure, the Prime Minister can fire the Governor of the banking cartel but who is he going to replace him with ? It's all the same bankers Canada is mot run from Parliament Hill in Ottawa, it's run from Bay Street in Toronto hence why Mark Carney is the one replacing Justin Trudeau the banking cartel is want to install their Governor into the PMO Edited February 4 by Dougie93 Quote
Wap75 Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 I don't think we would have a chance going toe to toe. Trudeau and Ford provoking Trump is the wrong answer. Trump is a narcissist, he will sink his whole country before admitting defeat. This should be a good lesson for Canada. We have to many eggs in the U.S. basket. The problem is it would take decades to change that. I think we still need to put up a strong front, but there are a lot of middle and lower class Americans who will be fighting back against these tariffs. Threats will only provoke Trump but if he hits us with tariffs, I think the only thing we can do is impose tariffs in return. 1 Quote
Moonbox Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 36 minutes ago, CdnFox said: I think he also wanted to send a message to American companies that you might want to be careful about putting your manufacturing in other countries because you never know when a trade war will break out and then your bankrupt. (car industry..... staaaaaaaaaaarre) Risk-averse companies were already planning contingencies before the tariffs were announced. I've a client who imports commercial heating units from the UK to Canada (and sells from there to the USA) and he spent a good chunk of December scoping out warehouses to see if it would be worth importing directly to the USA. He concluded it was better to just stop doing business with the USA, but that won't always be the case...so yeah. I think you're right. 49 minutes ago, CdnFox said: But I do believe that there are a handful of things that he wants. It was never happy hat he only got a little bit of an increase in the amount of dairy and such he could sell in canada during the last free trade deal. Obviously wants that to be much higher or better yet no restrictions. I don't think he actually cares at all about Canadian dairy or chicken. It's just another red-herring. I'm sure there are things he wants, but he hasn't really articulated them and he is happy to keep everyone guessing and worried. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
ExFlyer Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 (edited) 18 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said: The country spoke as one, except for the MAGA traitor in Alberta. Trudeau dressed her down spectacularly too. And Ford, who is going to Washington. And Moe who is going to Washington. And Legault who said he will not hold electricity to the US. And New Brunswicks Holt that also said it will still sell electricity to the US and Saskatchewan will still sell potash to the US. chrissy....we do not have a united Canada...we have a bunch of independent provincial czars LOL Unfortunately for you, Trudeau is hated by the whole world, especially Trump and most Canadians. He has turned off everyone in the world. He was as much a bully to Canadians as trump is now LOL The liberals have run their course and will all but disappear form our federal political playground...just like they did in the provincial Ontario playground LOL Edited February 5 by ExFlyer 1 Quote It can be dangerous to believe things just because you want them to be true. - Sagan
Wap75 Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 I don't think going toe to toe or threats are the answer. I think securing our border can only help us on both side with stuff coming in and out. I think we have become to comfortable with the U.S. as a big brother rather than a rival country. This should be an eye opener for Canada. Pay a little more to by Canadian so the threat of tariffs in the far future can't hurt us as bad. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 1 hour ago, betsy said: For ROUND 2 in their negotiations next month, I can see it now...... ......................what Trump will be demanding from Trudeau: I DON'T WANT ANY OF YOUR FREAKING MARIJUANA CROSSING THAT BORDER! 😁 Give it up betsy LOL Trudeau and his liberals have nothing to fight with. Trumps says jump and Justin says how high LOL 1 Quote It can be dangerous to believe things just because you want them to be true. - Sagan
Dougie93 Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 3 minutes ago, Moonbox said: I don't think he actually cares at all about Canadian dairy or chicken. It's just another red-herring. I'm sure there are things he wants, but he hasn't really articulated them and he is happy to keep everyone guessing and worried. it's not really about what Trump wants or doesn't want Trump is merely a proxy Elon Musk is effectively the President right now no surprise that Canada gets attacked therein ; nobody has a bigger beef with Trudeau & Co than Musk I don't actually believe that Donald Trump hates Justin Trudeau Donald Trump was a great admirer of Pierre Trudeau Pierre Trudeau vehemently opposed Free Trade and so did Donald Trump they were birds of a feather here is Donald Trump praising PET in 1981 bear in mind that Donald Trump is not actually right wing Tariffs to defend domestic unionized manufacturing ; that's a left wing policy Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 6 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Sure is better than a continual battle with Trump. I am not sure Trump will "endorse" PP but PP sure won't pi$$ him off like Trudeau did and does. Trump has proven that he will literally pick fights with anyone he perceives of standing in his way, regardless of political affiliation. Quote
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