betsy Posted February 2 Author Report Posted February 2 (edited) 8 hours ago, CdnFox said: The funny thing is they haven't actually made a specific demand That's what makes me think it's not really about border security. It's not like he said if you do this specific thing we can agree to stop, he's just said there's a problem at the border without outlining it and any real detail or what he'd like to see done to fix it and then said tariffs will continue until then Tit for Tat is absolutely the answer. Even if he had given a list of demands if you just came for it when he threatens you then it's only going to be a couple weeks before he threatens you again on something else. Make him bleed now, even if we come out of it worse we can hurt him bad enough that he will think twice before ever doing it again and so will any other American president. In about 15 months he has midterms. If he has hurt the American economy and if his popularity is slumping he could lose the house in the senate in which case he will be impeached. What we should also be doing is taking radio and TV ads out all over the united states pointing out that the pain they're feeling was an unprovoked attack I'm one of their longest standing friends and allies without Reason or negotiation. We can do tit-for-tat, sure. Trump will raise the tariff even more. We'll raise ours to match his. How long are we gonna be able to keep it up? Let's be realistic and practical with how we deal with this. I still think Danielle Smith has the best solution: Edited February 2 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted February 2 Author Report Posted February 2 (edited) 32 minutes ago, CdnFox said: That would explain why trump doesn't like him. But I think this is deeper than that. I mean he literally said right after the election that Kamala should have won and that people voting for trump were basically racists. Do we really need to look further? And I doubt the pictures of his wife ogling and drooling over Trudeau when he was down there that flooded the net helped at all. Melania/Justin photograph being taken as something more than just that, is the likes that Hollywood gossip is made of. Like this one: Melania Trump and Gavin Newsom's kiss in LA has Internet wondering if he gets ‘more affection’ than POTUS https://news.meaww.com/melania-trumps-kiss-with-gavin-newsom-has-fans-speculating-how-receptive-she-was-to-him Trump is used to that kind of media tactic. He might have been irritated by the media's sensationalizing it, but I don't think it was a reason for him to be venting on Trudeau. It goes waaaaay deeper than that. Trudeau has been b*tchy and meddled in US politics - his barbs pointed at Trump - since 2015. Remember Trudeau, issuing an open invitation to all refugees and migrants of the world, to come to Canada, right after Trump had banned Muslims from some Muslim countries in the USA? Until Trudeau goes away.......... I think we'll continue to be the punching bag. Trudeau insulted Trump for years, now places are reversed Trudeau has spent years attacking Trump to boost his own political fortunes, so why are Canadians upset that Trump is returning the favour? Since 2015 when Trump announced his bid to Make America Great Again (MAGA) by seeking the American presidency, the term MAGA has been used in Canada’s Parliament 127 times. Of those 127 mentions, 122 have been since the start of the 2023 fall session of the House of Commons and 115 of them have been by Liberal MPs. In the Commons, Trudeau has accused the Poilievre Conservatives of adopting MAGA policies on Ukraine, housing and climate change. He’s also taken several shots at the MAGA movement in news conferences and media interviews. https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/trudeau-insulted-trump-for-years-now-places-are-reversed Edited February 2 by betsy 1 Quote
betsy Posted February 2 Author Report Posted February 2 2 hours ago, West said: Trucker convoy all over again.. instead of deescalation Trudeau allows his ego to get in the way Hahaha - he's got himself in this mire, and he couldn't shake Trump off. Take note that the day after Trudeau had said to the media that he would retaliate, that TRUMP addressed it right away the very next day and pulled the rug right from under Trudeau by saying, NOTHING CAN CHANGE HIS DECISION, and promptly issued a warning that he'll raise the tariff even higher if we retaliate in any way. Ford and other politicians had always stated to the media they would retaliate................but Trump didn't respond to them. he just ignored them. It was different though, when it came from Trudeau. Quote
betsy Posted February 2 Author Report Posted February 2 (edited) Let this be a huge WAKE-UP call to CANADA! We shouldn't be dependent in such a big way to any other nations........after all, we're one of the 4ichest nations in the world (with our natural resoyrces). It's now time for all CANADIANS to come together and demand that we start developing our own! Unfortunately, we're coming late to the ball-game. See the difference between a VISIONARY leader like Trump, from a "reactionary" one like the Liberals. Our pain has just begun. What do you think will happen to businesses in Canada......now that Trump had issued an invitation to all businesses in the world, and also had threatened them with huge tariffs if they don't manufacture in the USA? How many businesses will leave us.............and move to the USA? If USA becomes the land of opportunity again - how many professionals and skilled workers are we going to lose? You think we can hang on to our surgeons, doctors, nurses, dentists, hi-tech, etc....? Edited February 2 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted February 2 Author Report Posted February 2 (edited) CARNEY's SOCIALIST message to tax the heavy polluters - meaning, the JOB-MAKING companies - will be reason enough to say goodbye to many so-called, "heavy polluters!" Carney is as good as to have swept businesses off Canada, moving them to the USA! 😁 There is no carbon tax in the USA! The USA isn't doing any insane climate-change policies! That alone, would be such an inviting proposition to many businesses! There'll be an exodus of businesses to the USA! Heck, it will be a golden age for businesses in the USA, too! And........ People will follow where businesses go Figure it out! It's heartbreaking seeing where this will leave us. We can't blame Trump! He's the President of the USA.............and he's fighting to make his nation to be on top of the world. He's putting America first! he made no secret about his intention! AMERICA FIRST, was and is, his battle cry! We can only blame ourselves for the kind of leaders we choose. Who gave Trudeau the second term? Who among you is even considering to vote for Trudeau's chosen successor? Edited February 2 by betsy Quote
blackbird Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 (edited) 10 hours ago, betsy said: Instead of threatening Trump with a counter tariff on American goods, we should show Trump that we are serious with meeting the demand on border security. Trump doesn't care about what we're doing with the border. He made that clear. His agenda is far different than that. He is acting like a bully and dictator. Canada must stand up to this kind of thing. Trump and his MAGA people are even attacking the whole U.S. federal government with the use of Musk and his DOGE (Department of Government Efficiency) people. Read what is going on there with his moves to lay off a massive number of government employees. It is creating anarchy in the U.S. government and has all kinds of serious consequences. Unions say what is going on may be illegal. Career civil servants are being replaced with political appointees that are loyal to Trump. Where is congress in all this? This is a serious threat to democracy and order. I don't think you realize what we are dealing with. This is the most serious threat to Canada in ages. Canada cannot placate them. He has an agenda to destroy the established order and trade. We will see what happens but it doesn't look good. Canada has no choice but to stand up to this threat. Edited February 2 by blackbird Quote
blackbird Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 (edited) 31 minutes ago, betsy said: AMERICA FIRST, was and is, his battle cry! I don't think you understand what Trump and his circle are doing. They don't believe in free trade. Free trade has been established between Canada and the U.S. for decades and supported by Conservative governments in Canada all along. Trump wants to throw all that out. He is not operating in a democratic manner. He is operating like an authoritarian even with his own country. It is frightening what he doing. Check out what he is doing with all his executive orders and with the aid of Musk, an unelected believer in Trump. There is far more to this than you realize. Established institutions such as Obamacare are threatened which could deprive millions of people of any health care. Foreign aid is being arbitrarily cut off in many departments and organizations which could threaten the lives and health of millions of people. Edited February 2 by blackbird Quote
betsy Posted February 2 Author Report Posted February 2 (edited) 20 minutes ago, blackbird said: Trump doesn't care about what we're doing with the border. He made that clear. His agenda is far different than that. He is acting like a bully and dictator. Canada must stand up to this kind of thing. Trump and his MAGA people are even attacking the whole U.S. federal government with the use of Musk and his DOGE (Department of Government Efficiency) people. Read what is going on there with his moves to lay off a massive number of government employees. It is creating anarchy in the U.S. government and has all kinds of serious consequences. Unions say what is going on may be illegal. Career civil servants are being replaced with political appointees that are loyal to Trump. Where is congress in all this? This is a serious threat to democracy and order. I don't think you realize what we are dealing with. This is the most serious threat to Canada in ages. Canada cannot placate them. He has an agenda to destroy the established order and trade. We will see what happens but it doesn't look good. Canada has no choice but to stand up to this threat. Whatever his real intentions are.........all we can do is speculate........and gripe about it. :shrug; We'll still feel the pain. Doesn't make any difference what his real reasons are. RIGHT? Does the situation change for us that I mis-read what his intentions are? How do you know what he and his buddies think? have they given you any inside info? Are you privvy with them? You don't really know anymore than I do. We both rely on news media! I could also be right! His aim is to put AMERICA, FIRST. And that isn't a small phrase. It seems when he said, "FIRST," he also means as being the leader of the whole world! America will become what and how we regard the UNITED NATIONS today. Nations will be coming directly and making deals with Trump. If the UN survives Trump 😁..................it'll be nothing more but a puppet. Meaning - at the end of the day, the USA will be calling the shots! We can agree that he's aiming to and working on getting his goal? Edited February 2 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted February 2 Author Report Posted February 2 (edited) I'm also beginning to entertain the idea that he really would want Canada to be the 51st state. For USA's security and peace of mind. Maybe he figures....all expenses going to securing the borders and improving military capabilities of Canada makes it all worth it. USA will foot all the bills. And Canadian resources will be kept securely..........all within the family. :shrug; I'm just speculating. When asked by a reporter - he did hint at using economic aggression as the way he'd do it. Lol - maybe, if we go tit-for-tat..........we're falling right into his trap? Edited February 2 by betsy Quote
Zeitgeist Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 (edited) 12 hours ago, betsy said: It's kinda like poking a tiger with a stick....the more we retaliate, Trump will probably even make an example of Canada to the world. We'll truly become the punching bag! I still think there's personal animosity that Trump feels towards Trudeau. It's personal. When Trudeau got on camera two days ago and threatened retaliation, that's when Trump said nothing can change the outcome of his decision! And Trump threatened to raise the tariff even more if Canada retaliates in any way. The more they get on camera and start chest-beating, it'll only make Trump dig in. Trump will lose the trade war because he started it and all of America’s trading partners will simply trade more freely with each other and stop buying American. Tariffs have zero to do with our border security because the Americans are responsible for controlling what comes into the U.S. and very little of threatening consequences enters the US from Canada. The $1.3 billion Canada just spent on border security was a waste of money and it won’t make any difference to Trump. Trump’s political capital will sharply decline in the coming weeks and months as the complex supply chains work through these costly increases and American industries are targeted by countermeasures. Non American populations will rally together posting lists of American products to avoid and lists of domestic products to buy. Our citrus will simply come from Mexico and South America instead of Florida. Canadians, Europeans, and Asians will stop travelling to the U.S., killing destinations like Disney or Hollywood or New York. Snowbirds are already selling properties in the southern US to to high insurance, currency exchange, and other expenses. The end result will be a massive world realignment away from the U.S. Canada will refine and buy more of its own oil and ship more of its natural resources to countries other than the U.S. It will also buy less American. Initially Canada will take an economic hit, but the adjustment will be swift. Canadians and other countries will have less trust of Americans and see them as a belligerent force for bad in the world. It doesn’t have to go this way. There’s a strong argument to be made for economic union and even Canadian statehood, but if the population feels pressured economically or in other ways, the longer term response will be less trust of an unpredictable belligerent America and a shift to greater independence. Edited February 2 by Zeitgeist Quote
Barquentine Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 M A G A ! Make America Go Away ! (Well, a fella can dream, can't he?) 1 Quote
Barquentine Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 People are talking about just buying Canadian products. Unfortunately that's next to impossible. (Like the comedian said , "New Brunswick pineapple tastes a lot like corn") It's gonna hurt us a lot if this goes on for a while. Quote
Zeitgeist Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 4 minutes ago, Barquentine said: People are talking about just buying Canadian products. Unfortunately that's next to impossible. (Like the comedian said , "New Brunswick pineapple tastes a lot like corn") It's gonna hurt us a lot if this goes on for a while. It won’t be buy only Canadian, it will be buy anything but American. We can buy almost all the same stuff from other countries. 1 Quote
Aristides Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 4 hours ago, CdnFox said: That would explain why trump doesn't like him. But I think this is deeper than that. I mean he literally said right after the election that Kamala should have won and that people voting for trump were basically racists. Do we really need to look further? And I doubt the pictures of his wife ogling and drooling over Trudeau when he was down there that flooded the net helped at all. Trump doesn’t like Trudeau and he is a petty, vindictive pr*ck but that has nothing to do with this. What did Sheinbaum do to p*ssTrump off, she has only been in office 4 months. Quote
betsy Posted February 2 Author Report Posted February 2 (edited) I can't stress this enough. Learn something from it. Let this be a huge WAKE-UP call to CANADA! We shouldn't be dependent in such a big way to any other nations........after all, we're one of the 4ichest nations in the world (with our natural resoyrces). It's now time for all CANADIANS to come together and demand that we start developing our own! Unfortunately, we're coming late to the ball-game. It'll take time to get things set up. See the difference between a VISIONARY leader like Trump, from a "reactionary" one like the Liberals. Edited February 2 by betsy Quote
Aristides Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 Trumps vision is chaos. He isn’t a leader, he is a wannabe despot Quote
Barquentine Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 11 minutes ago, betsy said: a VISIONARY leader like Trump You had me up 'til visionary. Quote
West Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 6 hours ago, betsy said: Hahaha - he's got himself in this mire, and he couldn't shake Trump off. Take note that the day after Trudeau had said to the media that he would retaliate, that TRUMP addressed it right away the very next day and pulled the rug right from under Trudeau by saying, NOTHING CAN CHANGE HIS DECISION, and promptly issued a warning that he'll raise the tariff even higher if we retaliate in any way. Ford and other politicians had always stated to the media they would retaliate................but Trump didn't respond to them. he just ignored them. It was different though, when it came from Trudeau. Yet Trudeau has no problem raising his woke tax like the carbon tax by 20%. Crazy Quote
ExFlyer Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 (edited) 16 hours ago, betsy said: Danielle Smith has the practical solution to this tariff threat. Instead of threatening Trump with a counter tariff on American goods, we should show Trump that we are serious with meeting the demand on border security. She's right in saying that we should appoint a border czar, who'll work with the US counterpart. Surely, you don't expect us to win a tit-for-tat? Especially when Trump already threatens to increase the tariff if Canada retaliates in any way. So...we titted for tatted now with our own 25% tariff on American goods. Seriously??? Considering we are a gross importer of products we have just instantly increase our cost of living by 25%! Almost all of our produce comes from the US (or through the US) and now we wil pay 25% more for that...along with whatever else we use daily. Ya wanna hurt the US? Put a 25% export tax on energy and see how northern US states feel about pay more for electricity and 25% on oil exports and see how the Americans feel about increases at the pumps. "According to the most recent official trade figures, 61% of oil imported into the US between January and November last year came from Canada." 25% export tax on oil would pi$$ off the Americans big time. But no, put tariffs on the food we eed... What are your regulators thinking???? Edited February 2 by ExFlyer 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
I am Groot Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 15 hours ago, betsy said: Tell me - what is the downside of securing our border? Well, the us has about 20,000 border guards on their sieve-like southern border. Clearly that isn't enough, even with his 'wall' or all the fencing. Our border is almost three times longer and runs through the great lakes, lots of rivers, prairies, forests, and native reservations. We'd need about 75,000 new border guards just to have it as secure as the US southern border. Probably 100,000 is more like it. So the downside would be about ten to twelve billion dollars a year spent on the southern border. And Trump wouldn't give a damn anyway. He wants trade concessions. He doesn't really care about the border. 13 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: The fentanyl problem has its origin in China, America’s new competitor across every domain, and yet Trump only puts a 10% tariff on them. The US already has a 25% tariff on China. Quote
West Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 6 hours ago, blackbird said: Trump doesn't care about what we're doing with the border. He made that clear. His agenda is far different than that. He is acting like a bully and dictator. Canada must stand up to this kind of thing. Trump and his MAGA people are even attacking the whole U.S. federal government with the use of Musk and his DOGE (Department of Government Efficiency) people. Read what is going on there with his moves to lay off a massive number of government employees. It is creating anarchy in the U.S. government and has all kinds of serious consequences. Unions say what is going on may be illegal. Career civil servants are being replaced with political appointees that are loyal to Trump. Where is congress in all this? This is a serious threat to democracy and order. I don't think you realize what we are dealing with. This is the most serious threat to Canada in ages. Canada cannot placate them. He has an agenda to destroy the established order and trade. We will see what happens but it doesn't look good. Canada has no choice but to stand up to this threat. It's a threat to the global established order where a handful of people cash in while the rest are slapped with a heavy tax burden. Trudeau has been taxing you every time you turn around. Maybe he should end the carbon tax to offset the Tariffs? Quote
I am Groot Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 16 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: So...we titted for tatted now with our own 25% tariff on American goods. Seriously??? Considering we are a gross importer of products we have just instantly increase our cost of living by 25%! Almost all of our produce comes from the US (or through the US) and now we wil pay 25% more for that...along with whatever else we use daily. They aren't across-the-board tariffs like Trump's. That would be dumb. They're tariffs on specific products that we can easily replace, mostly made in Trumpland or in swing states. Like Florida orange juice - we can buy from California or Brazil. Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 (edited) 3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: The $1.3 billion Canada just spent on border security was a waste of money and it won’t make any difference to Trump. but you need economic activity under these wartime conditions Canada doesn't have to buy from US production lines Canada for example makes Bell helicopters in Quebec there is military manufacturing all over Canada, it's just mostly for export to America Canada can buy that military hardware for Canada, and/or ship it to Ukraine you've got Chantier - Davie sitting there in Levy, Quebec Canada's oldest and largest shipbuilder and they literally have no orders from the RCN they built the MV Asterix supply ship, and that was it, that was only order from the GoC and Trudeau tried to cancel it, then he tried to throw Vice Admiral Norman in jail for trying to save the order Edited February 2 by Dougie93 Quote
Chrissy1979 Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 15 hours ago, betsy said: It's kinda like poking a tiger with a stick....the more we retaliate, Trump will probably even make an example of Canada to the world. We'll truly become the punching bag! I still think there's personal animosity that Trump feels towards Trudeau. It's personal. When Trudeau got on camera two days ago and threatened retaliation, that's when Trump said nothing can change the outcome of his decision! And Trump threatened to raise the tariff even more if Canada retaliates in any way. The more they get on camera and start chest-beating, it'll only make Trump dig in. You haven't figured out it has nothing to do with the border yet? No, you couldn't be that dumb. It's because you guys want to tear down western democracy. You're not true Canadians and real Canadians will remember who the traitors are. What's your real country of allegiance? Fron your crippled English, I'm guessing China 1 Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 (edited) 28 minutes ago, I am Groot said: They aren't across-the-board tariffs like Trump's. That would be dumb. They're tariffs on specific products that we can easily replace, mostly made in Trumpland or in swing states. Like Florida orange juice - we can buy from California or Brazil. there's no stopping Canada from going to war in this situation, the populace is demanding it the tariffs are simply a tax ; $150 billion collected Canada needs that money for the war ; to bailout the industries & workers so it's a war tax; that's what you have to pay to fight Trump if you only do it by printing money, that causes inflation every existing dollar you can collect instead by taxation mitigates the inflation Edited February 2 by Dougie93 Quote
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