Righteousness

[Tony Hladun]

It starts with righteousness, the quality of being morally right or justifiable. Canada was going to be the poster child for reducing climate change. We were going to be leaders on the world stage. To our naive Federal leaders that was very noble. However righteousness (“I’m right, you should do what I say.”) leads to the next step which is arrogance, the sense of superiority and scorn. Canada would achieve its climate goals by simply eliminating anything that emits CO2 regardless of the consequences. Let's just shut down the fossil fuel industries so we’ll appoint a Federal Minister who will be obsessed with doing that. 

To the righteous and naive, that seems very reasonable, but it ignores the fact that people have to heat their homes, drive for work and have the lights on. So now comes the next step and that is everyone gets angry. The Federal leaders are angry because people are stupid and won’t listen and the people are angry because the government’s obsession hurts. So with anger on all sides comes the last stage and that is hate. Hate is dividing Canada, causing us to look at the wrong things, and preventing us from doing something reasonable. 

So what can Canada do? Many years ago I took military leadership training and the definition of leadership was “the art of influencing others to achieve the aim”. That is not what our Federal government is doing. Today there is no art (skill), there is heavy-handedness and the aim is economic hardship without visible benefit to the individual. Canada can’t stop global climate change, all we can do is our share with everyone else. Our leaders must show understanding and empathy for the lower and middle classes (the voters) and offer alternatives that improve their lives. Righteousness needs to be stamped out and replaced with humility and compassion. 

In the US they have just turned to an autocrat, they’ve given Trump power. With Trump people must simply obey but they don’t need to feel guilty for what’s happening. Trump tells them others, not Americans, are to blame. Canada is too fragmented for that to happen, so the bickering and fighting between the Federal and Provincial governments will maintain a downward slide. Trump won by blaming others and Trudeau will probably lose because he blames us.
 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Tony Hladun said:

It starts with righteousness, the quality of being morally right or justifiable. Canada was going to be the poster child for reducing climate change. We were going to be leaders on the world stage. To our naive Federal leaders that was very noble. However righteousness (“I’m right, you should do what I say.”) leads to the next step which is arrogance, the sense of superiority and scorn. Canada would achieve its climate goals by simply eliminating anything that emits CO2 regardless of the consequences. Let's just shut down the fossil fuel industries so we’ll appoint a Federal Minister who will be obsessed with doing that. 

To the righteous and naive, that seems very reasonable, but it ignores the fact that people have to heat their homes, drive for work and have the lights on. So now comes the next step and that is everyone gets angry. The Federal leaders are angry because people are stupid and won’t listen and the people are angry because the government’s obsession hurts. So with anger on all sides comes the last stage and that is hate. Hate is dividing Canada, causing us to look at the wrong things, and preventing us from doing something reasonable. 

So what can Canada do? Many years ago I took military leadership training and the definition of leadership was “the art of influencing others to achieve the aim”. That is not what our Federal government is doing. Today there is no art (skill), there is heavy-handedness and the aim is economic hardship without visible benefit to the individual. Canada can’t stop global climate change, all we can do is our share with everyone else. Our leaders must show understanding and empathy for the lower and middle classes (the voters) and offer alternatives that improve their lives. Righteousness needs to be stamped out and replaced with humility and compassion. 

In the US they have just turned to an autocrat, they’ve given Trump power. With Trump people must simply obey but they don’t need to feel guilty for what’s happening. Trump tells them others, not Americans, are to blame. Canada is too fragmented for that to happen, so the bickering and fighting between the Federal and Provincial governments will maintain a downward slide. Trump won by blaming others and Trudeau will probably lose because he blames us.
 

Speaking of naive, how about people who think CO2 reduction means we don't heat our homes ?  Or people who think that following international treaties is arrogant ?  

I like the part about leadership, and I agree that the leaders - all of them - don't understand what it means to WORK.  Poilievre has been an MP since his 20s, never had a real job.  Trudeau was a bartender, teacher, both real jobs, then an MP and leader of Canada due to his name only - not any talent or thought leadership.  Singh just seems like another lawyer to me.

The election of Trump is a kind of proletariat revolt, you can't convince me of anything else... you seem to agree with me on his character.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Tony Hladun said:

Trump tells them others, not Americans, are to blame. Canada is too fragmented for that to happen, so the bickering and fighting between the Federal and Provincial governments will maintain a downward slide. Trump won by blaming others and Trudeau will probably lose because he blames us.

Poilievre will win because he blames Trudeau.  Ordinary people play into the game on cue and make it easy for them - we blame each other for being left right, rich poor, old young etc etc.

Fragmented? Blame is glue and we're all stuck in the same place.

[Nationalist]

11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Poilievre will win because he blames Trudeau.  Ordinary people play into the game on cue and make it easy for them - we blame each other for being left right, rich poor, old young etc etc.

Fragmented? Blame is glue and we're all stuck in the same place.

Polievre will win because Pixie-Dust is a virtue signaling twit. Plain and simple. 

"Ordinary people" are the ones being shat upon by Pixie-Dust and his whiney little elitist minions...

Like you for instance.

Edited November 11, 2024 by Nationalist

[Nationalist]

52 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Speaking of naive, how about people who think CO2 reduction means we don't heat our homes ?  

https://www.dw.com/en/gas-crisis-why-germans-fear-a-cold-winter/a-63221531

Hey Mike. Wanna move to Germany?

Pfft...

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Polievre will win because...

And one day Poilievre will lose because...

[Nationalist]

Just now, eyeball said:

And one day Poilievre will lose because...

Gonna finish your prediction?

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Gonna finish your prediction?

...history rhymes.

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

...history rhymes.

Lol...so you're engaging in brainless Libbie chickensh1t. 

"AHHH!!! TRUMP!!! POLIEVRE!!! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!"

Ok...understood.

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...so you're engaging in brainless Libbie chickensh1t. 

"AHHH!!! TRUMP!!! POLIEVRE!!! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!"

Ok...understood.

It's quite clear you get it.

"AHHH!!! BIDEN!!! TRUDEAU!!! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!"

Different chicken, same brainless shit

 

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's quite clear you get it.

"AHHH!!! BIDEN!!! TRUDEAU!!! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!"

Different chicken, same brainless shit

 

Not at all. We've experienced Trump, Brandon and Pixie-Dust. Of those 3, Trump produced the best results. Polievre will get his opportunity and I expect it will be a breath of fresh air.

[paradox34]

3 hours ago, Tony Hladun said:

It starts with righteousness, the quality of being morally right or justifiable. Canada was going to be the poster child for reducing climate change. We were going to be leaders on the world stage. To our naive Federal leaders that was very noble. However righteousness (“I’m right, you should do what I say.”) leads to the next step which is arrogance, the sense of superiority and scorn. Canada would achieve its climate goals by simply eliminating anything that emits CO2 regardless of the consequences. Let's just shut down the fossil fuel industries so we’ll appoint a Federal Minister who will be obsessed with doing that. 

To the righteous and naive, that seems very reasonable, but it ignores the fact that people have to heat their homes, drive for work and have the lights on. So now comes the next step and that is everyone gets angry. The Federal leaders are angry because people are stupid and won’t listen and the people are angry because the government’s obsession hurts. So with anger on all sides comes the last stage and that is hate. Hate is dividing Canada, causing us to look at the wrong things, and preventing us from doing something reasonable. 

So what can Canada do? Many years ago I took military leadership training and the definition of leadership was “the art of influencing others to achieve the aim”. That is not what our Federal government is doing. Today there is no art (skill), there is heavy-handedness and the aim is economic hardship without visible benefit to the individual. Canada can’t stop global climate change, all we can do is our share with everyone else. Our leaders must show understanding and empathy for the lower and middle classes (the voters) and offer alternatives that improve their lives. Righteousness needs to be stamped out and replaced with humility and compassion. 

In the US they have just turned to an autocrat, they’ve given Trump power. With Trump people must simply obey but they don’t need to feel guilty for what’s happening. Trump tells them others, not Americans, are to blame. Canada is too fragmented for that to happen, so the bickering and fighting between the Federal and Provincial governments will maintain a downward slide. Trump won by blaming others and Trudeau will probably lose because he blames us.
 

Righteousness is an illness accompanied by an attitude of smug superiority and condescending arrogance.

[CdnFox]

the definition of leadership

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the definition of leadership was “the art of influencing others to achieve the aim”. That is not what our Federal government is doing. Today there is no art (skill), there is heavy-handedness and the aim is economic hardship without visible benefit

The problem is you misunderstand the AIM.

The aim of Trudeau in the current liberal government is to siphon off as much taxpayer money as possible into friendly groups who will refund the money to them later in one way or another for their direct benefit and to obfuscate and cover this fact with the use of socially accepted propaganda and creating infighting between groups.

Once you see that is the aim, Trudeau becomes an amazing leader.

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

It's quite clear you get it.

"AHHH!!! BIDEN!!! TRUDEAU!!! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!"

Different chicken, same brainless shit

 

Look, the bitter lefty has learned to copy his betters   

[herbie]

Righteousness is usually newspeak for preventing someone else from doing something you personally don't believe in.

[Tony Hladun]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Righteousness is usually newspeak for preventing someone else from doing something you personally don't believe in.

That's why I defined what I meant in these sentences: "Canada was going to be the poster child for reducing climate change. We were going to be leaders on the world stage. To our naive Federal leaders that was very noble."  That is what the Liberals said they wanted to do; not my judgement.

[Moonlight Graham]

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

Poilievre will win because he blames Trudeau.  Ordinary people play into the game on cue and make it easy for them - we blame each other for being left right, rich poor, old young etc etc.

Fragmented? Blame is glue and we're all stuck in the same place.

Elected government officials who have had the power to make decisions or prop up this government are to blame for many of our problems (not all, like COVID inflation).  People re-elected the Liberals twice.  All of those people are to blame.  Anyone who would vote NDP again after they have propped up this government for 3 years (and counting) are also to blame.

Sometimes blame is necessary.  People are responsible for their actions and should take responsibility for their mistakes. 

The Greens are a joke right now and the Bloc are separatists who only care about one province.  The CPC will win because all the other options are significantly worse.  Let's hope they don't muck things up.

[CdnFox]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

Poilievre will win because he blames Trudeau. 

Poilievre will win because Trudeau screwed up so amazingly bad even the most ardent liberal and leftist lunatic can see how horrible he's been for the country.

You act like there's people sitting out there who can't eat, can't keep a roof over their head, can't afford to live, have watched the decline of our services and are over taxed, and watched our country's reputation on the world scale collapse to nothing and they had absolutely no idea who to blame until Poilievre came along 🙄

He is going down in history as our very worst prime minister ever

Edited November 12, 2024 by CdnFox

[WestCanMan]

11 hours ago, Tony Hladun said:

Canada would achieve its climate goals by simply eliminating anything that emits CO2 regardless of the consequences. Let's just shut down the fossil fuel industries so we’ll appoint a Federal Minister who will be obsessed with doing that. 

We did the "Greenest" thing imaginable (I mean like E. May Green): we stopped burning coal right beside the mines in Alberta and started shipping it by rail to Vancouver and Prince Rupert, loading it onto ships, sending it across the Pacific Ocean to places like Japan and China, loading it back onto rail cars there, and shipping it across those countries so that it could be burned in plants over there... "and now your weather is gooder". 

Our gov't counts greenhouse emissions like a woman counts her calories... the ones they can nab from someone else's dessert plate don't count.  

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In the US they have just turned to an autocrat, they’ve given Trump power. 

You were doing well until you got to here. Honestly that part was just straight outta the CNN Propaganda fer Dummies handbook.

If Trump was an autocrat then the Russian collusion farce would have ended the day it began, and that's just for starters. Kim Jong-Un would literally have shot Comey with an anti-aircraft gun for doing that - even if it was legitimate - like he did his cousin. 

You honestly can't even name 1 thing that Trump did which resembles autocratic leadership, so why would you go there? 

[Tony Hladun]

• "You honestly can't even name 1 thing that Trump did which resembles autocratic leadership, so why would you go there?" 

I used the Trump definition of autocrat.  Seriously, this time he's got the Senate and House on his side and he's got a country angry at the Democrats.  He's also got the experience of being President, for four years the Democrats have tried to put him in prison and this is his chance to do what he wants (can't run again).  I think there will be blood.

Edited November 12, 2024 by Tony Hladun

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Sometimes blame is necessary.  People are responsible for their actions and should take responsibility for their mistakes.

I blame people for evading this decades ago. Virtually everything people are blaming things on nowadays are consequences of that failure.

We knew better than to overpopulate and overexploit the planet and we did it anyway with our eyes wide open.

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I blame people for evading this decades ago. Virtually everything people are blaming things on nowadays are consequences of that failure.

We knew better than to overpopulate and overexploit the planet and we did it anyway with our eyes wide open.

 

So you're saying it's your fault. 

[Gaétan]

Eliminating pollution starts with eliminating what causes it and many other problems by eliminating money and producing hydrogen to replace fossil fuels with volunteerism. The idea is simple, we had to think about it.

[Tony Hladun]

For hundreds of years the West stole from the Rest to build a lavish, high consumption lifestyle.  Now the Rest wants their turn, but really what they want is the West lifestyle.  Everybody wants but no one wants to sacrifice and suffer.  There's an old Texas saying and it goes "when they talk about the principle it's the money that's the issue".  This week in Azerbaijan they'll eat well, live lavishly, rack up huge amounts of air travel, rant and rage and in the end nothing will happen.  To keep the party going the West is running up huge debts so I don't think they'll be too keen to give the Rest anything.  Let's all watch Trump because he's not going to hide behind political correctness.   

Edited November 12, 2024 by Tony Hladun

[I am Groot]

22 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Speaking of naive, how about people who think CO2 reduction means we don't heat our homes ? 

My sister and her family had to move into town because the electricity bills in their rural area were threatening to bankrupt them. How many others have had to give up their homes? How many more will as Trudeau continues to increase carbon taxes for NO BENEFIT WHATSOEVER.

Oh, the refunds? Yeah, they pay off for guys like you, living in big cities in condos taking the subway to work. People out in rural areas don't have the luxury of cheaper electricity, cheaper heating costs due to being in a large building, and easy public transit.

 

22 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Or people who think that following international treaties is arrogant ?  

Chretien signed it but had no intention of doing anything about it. And didn't. That's arrogance. Trudeau is trying to fulfill it no matter how many people it destroys and no matter how minute the benefit. That's arrogance, too. He doesn't care who he hurts because he's on a mission from the climate gods of the UN.

Meanwhile, CO2 keeps rising as the Chinese, indians, Vietnamese, Indonesians, Thais, Egyptians, Brazilians and everyone else throughout the third world keeps building coal plants. The West is getting poorer and poorer as the cost of electricity rises, while China and Russia are getting rich on supplying us with the manufactured goods that are now too expensive to make here due to high energy prices and carbon taxes. And they're using those riches to make weapons they might soon turn against us.

 

22 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The election of Trump is a kind of proletariat revolt, you can't convince me of anything else... you seem to agree with me on his character.

We're seeing that proletariat revolt all across the West, angered by the elites and their determination to pour third-world migrants across our borders while strangling our economies with their stupid, pointless climate change policies.

22 hours ago, eyeball said:

Poilievre will win because he blames Trudeau.  Ordinary people play into the game on cue and make it easy for them - we blame each other for being left right, rich poor, old young etc etc.

Fragmented? Blame is glue and we're all stuck in the same place.

August? Is that you? 

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, Tony Hladun said:

• "You honestly can't even name 1 thing that Trump did which resembles autocratic leadership, so why would you go there?" 

I used the Trump definition of autocrat.  Seriously, this time he's got the Senate and House on his side and he's got a country angry at the Democrats.  He's also got the experience of being President, for four years the Democrats have tried to put him in prison and this is his chance to do what he wants (can't run again).  I think there will be blood.

So you're saying that he's an autocrat because "he's going to do to the Dems what they did to him"?

What does that make the Dems?