Big Lie 2024: Official “Rigged Election” thread

[Chrissy1979]

2 hours ago, User said:

He conceded last time. 

Cite?

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, User said:

He conceded last time. 

Pfft…2 months after the vote count was tallied and only on the day after his attack on the Capitol and fake elector scheme failed, along with his 60+ bogus fraudulent lawsuits and numerous attempts to pressure election officials and lawmakers to falsify the results.  In other words when he was out of options and out of money

But then he immediately went right back to claiming the election was rigged and that he actually won and boycotted Biden’s inauguration. And he continues to repeat his stolen election conspiracy lies to this very day despite the irreparable harm they’re causing to America to democracy.
 

We all know he’s not simply going to accept the official vote count as presented and immediately concede if he loses 

[CdnFox]

18 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Cite?

What are you stupid?

Trump finally concedes election, condemns attack on U.S. Capitol that critics say he incited | CBC News

For god's sake, we understand that you're still struggling with that elementary school education but surely to god you can use Google well enough to find that crap on your own

[User]

12 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Pfft…

Pfft... he conceded. 

It's that simple. 

He got on the helicopter, waved, and flew away. 

[BeaverFever]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

What are you stupid?

Trump finally concedes election, condemns attack on U.S. Capitol that critics say he incited | CBC News

For god's sake, we understand that you're still struggling with that elementary school education but surely to god you can use Google well enough to find that crap on your own

But then immediately afterwards went back to saying the election was feasible and immediately after condemning J6 as a “heinous attack “ he immediately started calling the attacker political prisoners and peaceful protestors. Trump will say anything and often contradicts himself, just like with COVID or Putin, That way followers can pick whatever version of reality they find convenient at the moment. 

[BeaverFever]

2 minutes ago, User said:

Pfft... he conceded. 

It's that simple. 

He got on the helicopter, waved, and flew away. 

LOL no it’s not that simple  Facts matter no matter how badly you want to gloss over them  

You whole “No harm no foul” argument is stupid  
 

 It’s like you’re saying if I shoot at someone and miss I didn’t commit a crime and nobody should judge me for it, right?  Even when people see I’m clearly preparing to try a second time they should be like “he didn’t succeed last time so nothing to worry about!” 

Your argument is Ridiculous. 

[CdnFox]

Just now, BeaverFever said:

But then immediately afterwards went back to saying the election was feasible and immediately after condemning J6 as a “heinous attack “ he immediately started calling the attacker political prisoners and peaceful protestors. Trump will say anything and often contradicts himself, just like with COVID or Putin, That way followers can pick whatever version of reality they find convenient at the moment. 

Hillary Clinton went back immediately to saying that trump was an illegitimate president and stole the election. I don't see you here criticizing the democrats for that. She's still saying it by the way.

I'm giving the charges and the treatment it's not unfair to say that some of them are being treated as political prisoners. An argument has been made that many democrats supporting groups have done more damage and cause more Mayhem and face fewer charges. 

It was a violent (sorry, mostly peaceful) protest that got out of hand And without a doubt the perpetrator should be punished. But it has been argued that they have been punished or at least charged in excess of what their crimes would justify and it is 100% fair to say both of those statements. You can say what somebody did was wrong and still say the charges and punishment don't reflect the crime

To be honest I haven't reviewed all the charges in detail so it's hard for me to say whether he's right or is wrong but it's not unfair for him to have that opinion. It kind of has the ring of truth, the dems and their supporters have been known to weaponize the courts for political purpose.

By the way, there are democrats right this second who are out there saying to the media that if trump wins they won't certify his results.

So at the end of the day This is a problem across parties and it's a sign of where our politics have got to. Nobody has respect for the system, nobody has faith in the system, and it's become entirely tribal

[User]

15 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

LOL no it’s not that simple

Yes, it is. 

You claim he was found not to concede. 

The fact is he did. 

You rambling on about how long it took him doesn't change that fact or the fact that you are wrong and lying. 

[BeaverFever]

35 minutes ago, User said:

Yes, it is. 

You claim he was found not to concede. 

The fact is he did. 

You rambling on about how long it took him doesn't change that fact or the fact that you are wrong and lying. 

I am not lying about anything and you’re getting mixed up because I never said on this thread he didn’t concede. 

 

Again you are glossing over and ignoring all the relevant facts as if it’s completely irrelevant that during the preceding the 2 months he tried numerous schemes to steal the election, assaulting the Capitol, and the fact he officially conceded only the day after the assault when the entire nation was in shock and his allies had a temporary moment of doubt.  
 

Furthermore your entire claim that he won’t try it again despite all evidence to the contrary is based exclusively on the that he failed the first time so learned his lesson (or will try and fail again which means it’s ok)  

Meanwhile, inconveniently for you, Trump just gave a speech at a his latest hate-fest rally where  he said “he never should have left” the white house after the 2020 election. He also made a lot of other fascist comments like saying he wouldn’t mind if an assassin shot the reporters standing in front of him. Literally every time this man steps in front of a microphone he channels the worst villains of 20th century history. 

As everyone predicted, election 2024 is quickly shaping a choice between a MAGA dictatorship or a MAGA terrorist uprising. America is fuked either way. 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Hillary Clinton went back immediately to saying that trump was an illegitimate president and stole the election. I don't see you here criticizing the democrats for that. She's still saying it by the way.

Hilary Clinton conceded defeat on election night, didn’t launch lawsuits and schemes to overturn the election results, didn’t assault the Capitol and didn’t question the integrity of the vote count. You can’t compare that with Trump’s 2020 coup attempt and 4 years of divisive toxic lies about an election he legitimately lost. 
 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

I'm giving the charges and the treatment it's not unfair to say that some of them are being treated as political prisoners. An argument has been made that many democrats supporting groups have done more damage and cause more Mayhem and face fewer charges.

That’s just MAGA propaganda. Whether J6 or other riots, Some rioters received minor charges  and light punishments. Some  received serious charges harsher punishments. The democrats don’t control the charges or the verdict or the sentencing. People are charged convicted and sentenced based on their alleged individual actions and the evidence against them. 
 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

By the way, there are democrats right this second who are out there saying to the media that if trump wins they won't certify his results.

Link please 

[Chrissy1979]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

What are you stupid?

Trump finally concedes election, condemns attack on U.S. Capitol that critics say he incited | CBC News

For god's sake, we understand that you're still struggling with that elementary school education but surely to god you can use Google well enough to find that crap on your own

He conceded that Congress certified the results but he never conceded he lost.

[User]

11 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I am not lying about anything and you’re getting mixed up because I never said on this thread he didn’t concede. 

Sure... you said:

"But we all know that if he doesn’t win he’s not found to concede."

But if you are now admitting he did in fact concede, no worries. My point was made, glad you agree that Trump did concede last time. 

[eyeball]

28 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I am not lying about anything and you’re getting mixed up because I never said on this thread he didn’t concede.

It's a stretch but maybe the confusion is because you said found to concede when you meant bound to concede.

Otherwise it has to be disingenuousness.

[CdnFox]

36 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Hilary Clinton conceded defeat on election night, didn’t launch lawsuits and schemes to overturn the election results,

Well the democrats didn't concede election night 2000 and they definitely launched lawsuits to overturn the results. 

You've really got no where to go with this. Everything you're complaining about has already happened in history and trying to pretend that somehow it's really new or bad with trump is just a joke. 

As I said, to this very day Hillary is insisting that trump was not the legitimate president of the united states and says so publicly frequently and loudly.

38 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

That’s just MAGA propaganda.

Sorry, have you got that in writing from a court? No? Then their opinion is every bit as valid as yours. And it's ignorant dismissals like that which make people question your motives and honesty far more than they even question trump's.

You seem to feel that you're the only person on the planet that's allowed to have an opinion and any opinion that disagrees with yours is somehow invalid.

That is far more of a threat to democracy than anything trump has ever done. So based on the fact that this appears to be how most democrats think, again a sensible person is left coming to the conclusion that democrats must never be allowed to hold power

When you guys learn to respect the fact that other people have valid opinions as well, and then everyone that disagrees with you isn't Hitler or your enemy or the enemy of America Etc then people can consider you again. But honestly the fact that this election is even close boggles my mind. The democrats have behaved so poorly they make trump look good

[BeaverFever]

 

[BeaverFever]

22 hours ago, eyeball said:

It's a stretch but maybe the confusion is because you said found to concede when you meant bound to concede.

Otherwise it has to be disingenuousness.

I actively was trying to say he’s “not going to concede” but that damn autocomplete strikes again. 

[ironstone]

On 11/2/2024 at 9:20 AM, DUI_Offender said:

Only trump has contested elections, for no reason other than the fact he did not win.

Election results, according to Democrats:

— 1960: Kennedy wins a razor-thin victory after a surprisingly high turnout of dead voters in Texas and Illinois — FAIR ELECTION, CLEAN AS A WHISTLE!!

— 1964: Landslide election for Lyndon Johnson — FAIR ELECTION, CLEAN AS A WHISTLE!!

— 1968: Nixon won with his racist (and mythical) “Southern strategy.”

— 1972: Nixon landslide — no provable cheating.

— 1976: Carter won — FAIR ELECTION, CLEAN AS A WHISTLE!!

— 1980: Reagan won by traitorously colluding with Iran to prevent the release of American hostages before the election!

— 1984: Reagan landslide — no provable cheating.

— 1988: Bush 41 won in a landslide because of his racist Willie Horton ads.

— 1992: Clinton won with 43% of the vote — FAIR ELECTION, CLEAN AS A WHISTLE!!

— 1996: Clinton won with 49% of the vote — FAIR ELECTION, CLEAN AS A WHISTLE!!

— 2000: Bush 43 was “selected, not elected” after the Supreme Court stole it for him.

— 2004: Bush won because of Diebold hacking the voting machines in Ohio.

— 2008: Obama won — FAIR ELECTION, CLEAN AS A WHISTLE!!

— 2012: Obama won — FAIR ELECTION, CLEAN AS A WHISTLE!!

— 2016: Trump won after colluding with Russia and persuading them to purchase $200,000 in Facebook ads.

https://anncoulter.com/2020/11/11/the-democrats-guide-to-losing-gracefully2/

[BeaverFever]

22 hours ago, User said:

Sure... you said:

"But we all know that if he doesn’t win he’s not found to concede."

But if you are now admitting he did in fact concede, no worries. My point was made, glad you agree that Trump did concede last time. 

You are belabouring a ridiculous point. Officially conceding only after 2 months of trying to steal the election failed and he had no other options. Then continuing to repeat his lies and admitting he regrets conceding and clearly trying to do it again this election Your argument is no different than saying a criminal is a only guilty of ATTEMPTED murder. 
 

You and I and everyone else knows he will  try to steal the election again if he doesn’t win it and his 2020 election steal attempts will seem like child’s play this time. There will be chaos, there will probably be more MAGA violence if he loses 

[BeaverFever]

18 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Election results, according to Democrats:

— 1960: Kennedy wins a razor-thin victory after a surprisingly high turnout of dead voters in Texas and Illinois — FAIR ELECTION, CLEAN AS A WHISTLE!!

— 1964: Landslide election for Lyndon Johnson — FAIR ELECTION, CLEAN AS A WHISTLE!!

— 1968: Nixon won with his racist (and mythical) “Southern strategy.”

— 1972: Nixon landslide — no provable cheating.

— 1976: Carter won — FAIR ELECTION, CLEAN AS A WHISTLE!!

— 1980: Reagan won by traitorously colluding with Iran to prevent the release of American hostages before the election!

— 1984: Reagan landslide — no provable cheating.

— 1988: Bush 41 won in a landslide because of his racist Willie Horton ads.

— 1992: Clinton won with 43% of the vote — FAIR ELECTION, CLEAN AS A WHISTLE!!

— 1996: Clinton won with 49% of the vote — FAIR ELECTION, CLEAN AS A WHISTLE!!

— 2000: Bush 43 was “selected, not elected” after the Supreme Court stole it for him.

— 2004: Bush won because of Diebold hacking the voting machines in Ohio.

— 2008: Obama won — FAIR ELECTION, CLEAN AS A WHISTLE!!

— 2012: Obama won — FAIR ELECTION, CLEAN AS A WHISTLE!!

— 2016: Trump won after colluding with Russia and persuading them to purchase $200,000 in Facebook ads.

https://anncoulter.com/2020/11/11/the-democrats-guide-to-losing-gracefully2/

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I don’t think anyone ever said Reagan won because of his Iran hostage collusion, people  just point out what a detestable scumbag he was for doing it. 

- Ditto Bush Sr. andWillie Horton

-  2016: nobody said the vote was rigged they just pointed out correctly that Putin was helping Trump and and Trump knew about it and the Trump campaign had secret communication with Russia ab it.  TBH   James Comey and the FBI did as much as Putin to turn American voters against Hillary 

 

But otherwise that list is more or less correct 

Edited November 5, 2024 by BeaverFever

[CdnFox]

28 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

You are belabouring a ridiculous point. Officially conceding only after 2 months of trying to steal the election failed and he had no other options.

Same as the democrats. They did that in 2000.

And as you'll recall clinton didn't concede right away either. She spent 24 hours looking at her legal options before giving up because she had no way to move forward

. And she still to this day insists that he stole the election.

It's extremely dishonest when you pretend to be emotionally upset or morally outraged at things that trump has done when the democrats have done the same thing in recent history and in fact to him personally.

[BeaverFever]

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Same as the democrats. They did that in 2000.

How many times does this need to he repeated Not at all the same 

 

-Recount was required by Florida law, not Gore

-Florida law says either party can request hand recounts in any district of their choosing so that’s what Gore did

-When Jeb Bush tried to interfere with the requested count Gore sued and won i  Florida court

-Jeb Bush appealed to USSC and prevailed, Gore conceded immediately, congratulating W Bush amd attended his inauguration  

 

28 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And as you'll recall clinton didn't concede right away either. She spent 24 hours looking at her legal options before giving up because she had no way to move forward

Another of your lies. The election was called for Trump at 2:30am ET on November 9. Hillary made her concession speech CONGRATULATING TRUMP at 11:40 am ET that same morning. And she called him personally to congratulate as well and attended his inauguration. 
 

You trump apologists are hilarious for pretending completely different things are identical and practically identical things are completely different:
 

Trump’s 2020 election theft attempt is exactly like Clinton and Gore non-theft attempt;

Suggesting Trump should pay for his own private security is exactly like calling for him to be assassinated;

…yet calling someone a Marxist in no way resembles calling someone a communist or a socialist or Marxist-Leninist:

Calling Puerto Rico an island of garbage in no way resembles calling Puerto Ricans garbage

Trump tweeting out AI deepfakes of Taylor Swift endorsing him in now way resembles Trump tweeting out AI deepfakes of Taylor Swift endorsing him

 

And so on

[athos]

Democrats have sent the National Guard into the streets of American cities to "Unwin him"  if Trump is declared the  winner.

 

 

 

Edited November 5, 2024 by athos

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

How many times does this need to he repeated Not at all the same 

In your mind, I guess until repeating it somehow manages to make it magically true? 

Go one of the count to be done manually where every county would have its own different rules because he thought that would give him an edge and result in a different outcome.  Bush demanded that if there was a  recount it must be done following the same rules everywhere and it should be the rules that were originally in place. 

It went to court and gore lost.  

IN short, Gore tried to use the courts to force a loophole to his advantage so that he would win.  It is PRECISELY the same.

Ya done looking dumb yet?

 

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-Recount was required by Florida law, not Gore

Gore sued so the recount would be done the way he wanted so that he would benefit,

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-Florida law says either party can request hand recounts in any district of their choosing so that’s what Gore did

No, gore tried to do that and lost.

In a 5–4 per curiam decision, the Court ruled, strictly on equal protection grounds, that the recount be stopped. Specifically, it held that the use of different standards of counting in different counties violated the Equal Protection Clause of the U.S. Constitution; the case had also been argued on Article II jurisdictional grounds, which found favor with only Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, and William Rehnquist. The Court then ruled as to a remedy, deciding against the one, proposed by Justices Stephen Breyer and David Souter, of sending the case back to Florida to complete the recount using a uniform statewide standard before the scheduled December 18 meeting of Florida's electors in Tallahassee.^[1] Instead, the majority held that no alternative method could be established within the discretionary December 12 "safe harbor" deadline set by Title 3 of the United States Code (3 U.S.C.), § 5, which the Florida Supreme Court had stated that the Florida Legislature intended to meet.^[2] The Court, holding that not meeting the "safe harbor" deadline would violate the Florida Election Code, rejected an extension of the deadline to allow the Florida court to finish counting disputed ballots under uniform guidelines requested in a remedy proposed by Breyer and Souter. That deadline arrived two hours after the release of the Court's decision.

The Supreme Court's decision in Bush v. Gore was among the most controversial in U.S. history, as it allowed Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris's vote certification to stand, giving Bush Florida's 25 electoral votes. 

-When Jeb Bush tried to interfere with the requested count Gore sued and won i  Florida court

Bush v. Gore - Wikipedia

 

SO Gore wanted to do it by hand which benefitted him, went to court to try to force that and lost. 

ONY AFTER EXHAUSTING ALL POSSIBLE LEGAL ACTIONS did he concede.

 

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Another of your lies. The election was called for Trump at 2:30am ET on November 9. Hillary made her concession speech CONGRATULATING TRUMP at 11:40 am ET that same morning. And she called him personally to congratulate as well and attended his inauguration. 

The election was called long before then, it was simply officially called at that point.  Trump gave his victory speech and Hillary had her crowd gathered and was EXPECTED TO GIVE her speech.  Then she went home without even talking to them

Clinton campaign chair: she’s not going to give a concession speech tonight | Vox

She later claimed she didn't HAVE a concession speech but it did come out that she looked into her legal options. 

 

So.  Looks like YOU would be the liar there. 

 

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You trump apologists are hilarious for pretending completely different things are identical and practically identical things are completely different:

You lying woketards are always pretending things the democrats have already done are different when trump does them. 
 

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Trump’s 2020 election theft attempt is exactly like Clinton and Gore non-theft attempt;

Gores.  Nobody said hillary tried to steal anything. Once again you have to lie even as you accuse others of it.  And it is VERY similar to gore's.  Trump tried to use a legal loophole to get his own slate of voters in. Gore tried to use a legal loophole to have the ballots recounted the way he wanted to and not the way originally intended so that he could win. 

You can argue the fine points but pretending it's radically different is just dumb. 

 

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Suggesting Trump should pay for his own private security is exactly like calling for him to be assassinated;

THey literally said he does not deserve protection. Not that he should pay for it on his own. AND every other person in his situation got protection.  If you say "This man does not deserve to be protected from being shot" then yes you're suggesting he should be assassinated. 

Hell even the name of it:

The "Denying Infinite Security and Government Resources Allocated toward Convicted and Extremely Dishonorable, or 'DISGRACED,' Former Protectees Act"

That's pretty neutral right?

When trump was shot, a bunch of dem staffers were caught texting that the shooter needs more practice to do better next time. 

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…yet calling someone a Marxist in no way resembles calling someone a communist or a socialist or Marxist-Leninist:

I have never said that

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Calling Puerto Rico an island of garbage in no way resembles calling Puerto Ricans garbage

Not when it's a joke told by a roast comedian. Hell even many of the left wing comedians came out and said 'that's just a joke people, that's what he does". 

You're going to compare that to a sitting president of the united states callling all trump supporters "garbage'?

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Trump tweeting out AI deepfakes of Taylor Swift endorsing him in now way resembles Trump tweeting out AI deepfakes of Taylor Swift endorsing him

And?

If you want to go there Harris has repeatedly told the proven lie that trump said there'd be blood in the streets if he lost, long after she knew it was a lie. 

Bill Clinton raped one of the house help while he was in office and Hillary covered it up but he was keynote speaker at the convention and she's currently coaching kamala.

Like how far do you want to go with this? I doubt there's anything you can come up with that I can't come up with a  democrat Example that's just as bad.

 

Now you can argue that both of them should be ashamed and Americans deserve better representation from both of them. Or you can argue that it's all a distraction and neither should be paid close attention to.

But what you CAN'T Argue is that somehow trump does these things and the democrats don't. They do. And they always have.

 

Sorry pumpkin. But you just can't go wiping the stain off of someone else's shirt with bloody hands

[User]

13 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

You are belabouring a ridiculous point. Officially conceding only after 2 months of trying to steal the election failed and he had no other options.

Oh, you mean the same argument you make when it took Gore almost 2 months to concede, only after he tried to steal the election from Bush and exhausted all his options?

The point I am making here is a factual one. Trump conceded. He waved goodbye, got on the helicopter, and flew away. 

13 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Then continuing to repeat his lies and admitting he regrets conceding and clearly trying to do it again this election Your argument is no different than saying a criminal is a only guilty of ATTEMPTED murder. 

Just as Gore continued on with the absurd notion he had the election stolen from him and YOU and other Democrats to this day continue to push the notion he "would" have won. 

There is no crime in exhausting all possible legal options you believe you have. 

 

[Nationalist]

8:30am this morning and Laura Trump's team already has had to force Pennsylvania polling stations to play nice in the sandbox.

https://www.propublica.org/article/philadelphia-republican-poll-watchers?origin=serp_auto

Incredible...