Big Lie 2024: Official “Rigged Election” thread

[BeaverFever]

Its entirely possible that Trump could win the election fair and square. But we all know that if he doesn’t win he’s not found to concede. Like last time, he’s going to falsely claim election fraud with a bunch of baseless lies, lawsuits and other tactics designed to prevent constitutionally required events from occurring. His followers will believe his lies without question. lIf he can’t overturn the results to have himself declared the winner, he will attempt to sabotage the events one of the constitutionally required dates below in order to declare the election invalid and/or convince the public that Kamala is illegitimate 

 

The constitution REQUIRES the events below occur o the specified date, there is no provision to conduct them on another date if something happens  Therefore preventing the event from occurring on that date would create a constitutional crisis if Republicans try to argue missing the date makes the election invalid  

By December 11, 2024—States issue Certificates of Ascertainment

(at least six days before the meeting of the electors)

Your State's Executive prepares seven Certificates of Ascertainment. Immediately after the election results in your State are certified, the Executive sends one of those original Certificates of Ascertainment to the Archivist.

December 17, 2024—electors vote in their States

The electors meet in their respective States and vote for President and Vice President on separate ballots. The electors record their votes on six Certificates of Vote, which are paired with the six remaining Certificates of Ascertainment. The electors sign, seal up, and certify six sets of electoral votes. A set of electoral votes consists of one Certificate of Ascertainment and one Certificate of Vote.

December 25, 2024—electoral votes arrive

Electoral votes must be received by the President of the Senate and the Archivist no later than the fourth Wednesday in December. If votes are lost or delayed, the Archivist may take extraordinary measures to retrieve duplicate originals.

On or before January 3, 2025—Archivist transfers Certificates to Congress

As the new Congress assembles, the Archivist transmits sets of Certificates to Congress, as requested. This generally happens when the Senate does not receive its set of Certificates on time. The transfer occurs in late December or early January when OFR’s Legal staff meets with representatives of the Secretary of the Senate, the Clerk of the House, and Congressional Parliamentarians.

January 6, 2025—Congress counts the electoral votes

Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes. The Vice President, as President of the Senate, presides over the count and announces the results of the Electoral College vote. The President of the Senate then declares which persons, if any, have been elected President and Vice President of the United States.

If any objections to the electoral votes are made, they must be submitted in writing and be signed by at least one-fifth of the members of the House and one-fifth of the Senators. If objections are presented, the House and Senate withdraw to their respective chambers to consider the merits of the objection(s) under procedures set out in Federal law. Only two grounds for objection are acceptable: that the electors of the State were not lawfully certified under a Certificate of Ascertainment, or that the vote of one or more electors has not been regularly given.

If no Presidential candidate wins at least 270 electoral votes (a majority of the 538 available votes), under the 12th Amendment to the Constitution the House of Representatives decides the Presidential election. If necessary, the House would elect the President by majority vote, choosing from among the three candidates who received the greatest number of electoral votes. The vote would be taken by State, with each State having one vote. (The District of Columbia does not vote because it doesn't have voting members in the House of Representatives.)

If no Vice Presidential candidate wins at least 270 electoral votes (a majority or the 538 available votes), under the 12th Amendment the Senate elects the Vice President. If necessary, the Senate would elect the Vice President by majority vote, choosing between the two candidates who received the greatest number of electoral votes. Each Senator would have one vote.

January 20, 2025 at Noon—Inauguration Day

The President-elect and Vice President-elect take the Oath of Office and become the President of the United States and Vice President of the United States, respectively.

[CdnFox]

I see the democrats have said they will refuse to certify him if he does win legitimately. So I guess it should be fun and games either way.

I wouldn't lose sleep over it. There's been lots of contested elections in the past there is a process for it and it will get dealt with

[DUI_Offender]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I wouldn't lose sleep over it. There's been lots of contested elections in the past there is a process for it and it will get dealt with

This is simply not true. The only election that the results were contested other than 2020, was 2000, and that was only due to the result being so close that Bush beat Gore by a few thousand votes in Florida. Even then, Gore accepted defeat.

Only trump has contested elections, for no reason other than the fact he did not win. Trump even made a lot of noise about 2016 election, when he was trailing at the polls, and was talking about the election being rigged.  Of course, he shut up about this, after he won.

So in other words, if Trump wins, he will say the election was won fair and square. If he loses, it will be 2020 all over again.

[Nationalist]

23 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

This is simply not true. The only election that the results were contested other than 2020, was 2000, and that was only due to the result being so close that Bush beat Gore by a few thousand votes in Florida. Even then, Gore accepted defeat.

Only trump has contested elections, for no reason other than the fact he did not win. Trump even made a lot of noise about 2016 election, when he was trailing at the polls, and was talking about the election being rigged.  Of course, he shut up about this, after he won.

So in other words, if Trump wins, he will say the election was won fair and square. If he loses, it will be 2020 all over again.

You're aghast. I can tell.

Don't worry. Once Trump closes the border, deports millions and allows the economy to flourish, you'll feel better.

Edited November 2 by Nationalist

[gatomontes99]

Lmao....there is no fraud? Really?

Pennsylvania county says 2,500 voter registrations being investigated for possible fraud

Republicans Report 'Glitch' in Michigan as Duplicate Ballots Found

Supreme Court allows Virginia to purge suspected noncitizens from voter registration rolls

Nothing to see here. Just Democrats duplicating votes, creating fake voters and trying to allow illegal aliens to vote.

[Chrissy1979]

7 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Lmao....there is no fraud? Really?

Pennsylvania county says 2,500 voter registrations being investigated for possible fraud

Republicans Report 'Glitch' in Michigan as Duplicate Ballots Found

Supreme Court allows Virginia to purge suspected noncitizens from voter registration rolls

Nothing to see here. Just Democrats duplicating votes, creating fake voters and trying to allow illegal aliens to vote.

Nice to see you guys preparing to lose again.

[gatomontes99]

8 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Nice to see you guys preparing to lose again.

Actually, we are catching and fighting these things before the election to stop you from cheating again. That is why there is a Trump at the RNC. She's coordinating our legal teams to make sure your cheating is invalidated BEFORE the election.

[Chrissy1979]

Unfortunately for you, the Supreme Court said Biden can do anything he wants as an official act of the presidency. So what's stopping him from just throwing you all in jail as insurrectionists?

[gatomontes99]

40 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Unfortunately for you, the Supreme Court said Biden can do anything he wants as an official act of the presidency. So what's stopping him from just throwing you all in jail as insurrectionists?

SCPTUS never said that.

[Chrissy1979]

2 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

SCPTUS never said that.

They absolutely did. All Biden has to say is he is taking executive action to protect the Constitution from insurrectionists. He can then throw them in jail and he has absolute immunity. It's all there in black and white. Saying it isn't so isn't an argument.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/supreme-courts-presidential-immunity-ruling-undermines-democracy

[BeaverFever]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

 

I see the democrats have said they will refuse to certify him if he does win legitimately.

 

Where did “the democrats” say that?  Link please. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

This is simply not true. The only election that the results were contested other than 2020, was 2000, and that was only due to the result being so close that Bush beat Gore by a few thousand votes in Florida. Even then, Gore accepted defeat.

So when you say it's not true, what you mean is it's absolutely true and you're providing an example.

LOL, dude  

and in fact the election was contested in 1824, 1876, 1912 and 1960 as well. Read a book.

Now  what's PARTICULARLY disappointing is not that you said something was untrue and then immedately posted proof it was true (that elections have been contested before), but that you know me and know i don't open my mouth unless i'm pretty sure of my facts,, so you OBVIOUSLY didn't even BOTHER to do the 3 second search that would have shown you that.  

Step up your game kiddo. Right now you're like hunting cattle with a high powered rifle and scope.    

in any case, it's pretty obvious that trump legitimately believed he won. He had obviously convinced himself so strongly that he was going to win that he could not believe the results are except them. There is little doubt in my mind that he 100% believed that the election was stolen from him.

Now let me be clear, I believe he's wrong. I believe that there was without a doubt some election fraud but that it was not sufficient to overturn the final results.

But I accept the fact that the way the system is set up it would be impossible to detect that level of fraud if it had occurred. So I accept that when someone else says that they believe that the election is stolen considering that it's impossible to prove otherwise their point of view is every bit as valid if they have some species of logical reason for thinking so.

Trump thought the election was stolen, he thought he was using legal loopholes to get it back. I don't approve of any of that but that's not the same picture that you paint.

This election is going to be a bit of a nail biter. It's going to come down to voter turnout from the looks of things and because the problems inherent in the system haven't been addressed it is likely that no matter who wins the other side is going to claim that they didn't. Polling shows that since 2000 whichever side loses believes that the other side read the election regardless.

I note that the democrats have said publicly that they would not certify him if he does win. I'd like to think that that was said in the moments and won't be true, but as you can see it's hardly one person or even one side that has some issues to work out

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

You're aghast. I can tell.

Don't worry. Once Trump closes the border, deports millions and allows the economy to flourish, you'll feel better.

Lol it won’t flourish when his import tariffs drive up the price of everything.  Financial markets are already beginning to price in massive inflation should trump win. Elon musk. Even Trump backer Elon Musk is promising American ls will experience “temporary hardship” when Trump tears down the country in order to rebuild it in his image.  Of course it won’t be hardship for either of those 2 billionaires and they’re pretty vague about how long they mean by “temporary” for everyone else.  Their schtick is the typical religious BS that those who suffer now will enter some vaguely described paradise at some indeterminate future date. 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Lol it won’t flourish when his import tariffs drive up the price of everything.  Financial markets are already beginning to price in massive inflation should trump win. Elon musk. Even Trump backer Elon Musk is promising American ls will experience “temporary hardship” when Trump tears down the country in order to rebuild it in his image.  Of course it won’t be hardship for either of those 2 billionaires and they’re pretty vague about how long they mean by “temporary” for everyone else.  Their schtick is the typical religious BS that those who suffer now will enter some vaguely described paradise at some indeterminate future date. 

I think you'll find you're worried about nothing. The hardship that America will likely experience will be a result of the cutting of some of the spending that Biden has allowed to grow out of control which is currently propping up the economy. That will lead to challenging times but probably not inflation. If anything we might see extremely stagnant inflation for a while but inflation isn't the only thing that hurts economies.

By the way, we can expect a similar phenomenon in Canada when Justin is kicked out. Reducing immigration to sustainable levels will have a significant impact on our economy as well. But it's necessary for long-term growth and viability.

Sometimes doing the right thing hurts a little bit but it's necessary to enjoy the long-term benefits. As far as how long these effects are probably would say somewhere in the neighborhood of about a year.

[BeaverFever]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

In any case, it's pretty obvious that trump legitimately believed he won. He had obviously convinced himself so strongly that he was going to win that he could not believe the results are except them. There is little doubt in my mind that he 100% believed that the election was stolen from him.

Is that supposed to make things better?  You’re saying he’s such an extreme narcissist he can’t accept reality. It’s like pleasing not guilty by reason of mental incompetence.  Also we know Trump lies constantly and is completely indifferent to the truth. He’s not even capable of processing information according to whether it’s true or untrue. He only cares about whether it’s useful to him or not. So while the unhinged narcissist explanation you’ve provided is very accurate and highly plausible, it’s also likely he wouldn’t have done anything differently even if he actually knew he had lost. 

[Chrissy1979]

 

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

I think you'll find you're worried about nothing. The hardship that America will likely experience will be a result of the cutting of some of the spending that Biden has allowed to grow out of control which is currently propping up the economy. That will lead to challenging times but probably not inflation. If anything we might see extremely stagnant inflation for a while but inflation isn't the only thing that hurts economies.

By the way, we can expect a similar phenomenon in Canada when Justin is kicked out. Reducing immigration to sustainable levels will have a significant impact on our economy as well. But it's necessary for long-term growth and viability.

Sometimes doing the right thing hurts a little bit but it's necessary to enjoy the long-term benefits. As far as how long these effects are probably would say somewhere in the neighborhood of about a year.

So when asked for a link to verify your lie, all you can do is spam with long-winded gibberish no one will ever read?

[West]

2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Actually, we are catching and fighting these things before the election to stop you from cheating again. That is why there is a Trump at the RNC. She's coordinating our legal teams to make sure your cheating is invalidated BEFORE the election.

just one example. Sad that dems have to flood the swing states with illegals and vote multiple times to win

 

 

[CdnFox]

51 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Where did “the democrats” say that?  Link please. 

Democrats indicate they may not certify Trump election if he wins

No more freebies kiddo.  Do your own homework.  I shouldn't need to spoon-feed you. 

[Chrissy1979]

7 minutes ago, West said:

just one example. Sad that dems have to flood the swing states with illegals and vote multiple times to win

 

 

Lara Trump, defensively, says it was "just a glitch."

 

[Chrissy1979]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Democrats indicate they may not certify Trump election if he wins

No more freebies kiddo.  Do your own homework.  I shouldn't need to spoon-feed you. 

You should run the word "legitimately" through your translater so you can see what it means. Then you can come back and admit your error 

Edited November 2 by Chrissy1979

[Nationalist]

18 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Is that supposed to make things better?  You’re saying he’s such an extreme narcissist he can’t accept reality. It’s like pleasing not guilty by reason of mental incompetence.  Also we know Trump lies constantly and is completely indifferent to the truth. He’s not even capable of processing information according to whether it’s true or untrue. He only cares about whether it’s useful to him or not. So while the unhinged narcissist explanation you’ve provided is very accurate and highly plausible, it’s also likely he wouldn’t have done anything differently even if he actually knew he had lost. 

Lol...you freaked out zombies have no clue about anything but your silly accusations and hatred.

By simply turning the fossil fuel industry loose, the entire economy will begin to bounce back to life. Then close the border, deport the illegals and take a butcher knife to regulations and unnecessary bureaucracies, 

Et voila...economic growth.

Edited November 2 by Nationalist

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Lara Trump, defensively, says it was "just a glitch."

 

Laura and her team have figured out the Libbie cheat tactics and are all over them.

Lol...enjoy the election.

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Is that supposed to make things better?

It has nothing to do with better or worse. It's just accurate. Something you on the left struggle with.

You seem to claim that he believed he lost fair and square and yet wanted to take over the government. That motivation doesn't seem to be accurate. It appears to be the case that he legitimately believed that the election was stolen from him and he was trying to find a way to steal it back.

I'm not claiming which is better. But one is accurate and the other is not. Accuracy matters.

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You’re saying he’s such an extreme narcissist he can’t accept reality. It’s like pleasing not guilty by reason of mental incompetence.  

Awwww look at you, trying so hard to twist what people say to justify your irrational hatreds   

I don't think there's any real doubt that trump is narcissistic. To be honest I think you're going to find that's probably a trait of most people who managed to claw their way to the top and stand a chance in an election. Trump is definitely a narcissist. But that doesn't make him mentally incompetent. It just makes him a bit of an a-hole. But I think we all agree that he can be a bit of an a-hole. To be honest I think that's why a number of people vote for him

 

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Also we know Trump lies constantly and is completely indifferent to the truth. He’s not even capable of processing information according to whether it’s true or untrue.

I think again you are overstating things in order to justify your irrational hatred of the man. There's no doubt he talks in absolutes but during his time as president he obviously was capable of processing facts accurately. I think there's no doubt that sometimes he decides something is true and whether or not it is he digs in his heels. I doubt he's the only person like that who's ever held that office  

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He only cares about whether it’s useful to him or not. So while the unhinged narcissist explanation you’ve provided is very accurate and highly plausible, it’s also likely he wouldn’t have done anything differently even if he actually knew he had lost. 

Well you're two sentences there are completely incompatible. It is his nature to convince himself that he won even when he didn't especially if there is some reason to believe that that may be the case. But if he genuinely believes he lost then even though he will undoubtedly blame others and freak out I think he would accept that he lost.

I'd like to point out that hillary Clinton is still on every talk show saying that she actually should have won the 2016 election but had it stolen from her. So let's not pretend this is a trump thing exclusively.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

You should run the word "legitimately" through your translater so you can see what it means. Then you can come back and admit your error 

It means what I said it did. Have your programmer explain it to you better. Sometimes the translation into Russian code can be challenging   

You know it is hilarious, I can tell how badly I pissed you off just by your insult. If you know I'm right and you're just frustrated about it you'll try and pretend I'm a Russian. If I really crush your feelings and you're completely buthurt about it then the sex jokes come out And if I really do severe emotional damage then I get called a (gasp!) incel  

The hilarious thing is you think anyone takes you seriously or sees this is anything other than a desperate cry for help from you    Your therapist should send me a thank you card for all the money I've made her  

[Chrissy1979]

18 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Laura and her team have figured out the Libbie cheat tactics and are all over them.

Lol...enjoy the election.

Weird that she would downplay it then.

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It means what I said it did. Have your programmer explain it to you better. Sometimes the translation into Russian code can be challenging   

You know it is hilarious, I can tell how badly I pissed you off just by your insult. If you know I'm right and you're just frustrated about it you'll try and pretend I'm a Russian. If I really crush your feelings and you're completely buthurt about it then the sex jokes come out And if I really do severe emotional damage then I get called a (gasp!) incel  

The hilarious thing is you think anyone takes you seriously or sees this is anything other than a desperate cry for help from you    Your therapist should send me a thank you card for all the money I've made her  

That's a lot of words to admit you didn't know what "legitimately" means, considering your link said they would contest the "legitimacy" of putting a convicted felon on the ballot.