Big Lie 2024: Official “Rigged Election” thread

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

8:30am this morning and Laura Trump's team already has had to force Pennsylvania polling stations to play nice in the sandbox.

https://www.propublica.org/article/philadelphia-republican-poll-watchers?origin=serp_auto

Incredible...

I'm shocked. Are you shocked? I'm totally shocked.

[eyeball]

6 hours ago, User said:

There is no crime in exhausting all possible legal options you believe you have. 

There is when you incite an insurrection.

[User]

Just now, eyeball said:

There is when you incite an insurrection.

He did not incite an insurrection. 

 

[eyeball]

Just now, User said:

He did not incite an insurrection. 

Go tell it to all the people in prison who said they were following his call to execute his only option.

[User]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Go tell it to all the people in prison who said they were following his call to execute his only option.

He made no such call. Which is why he isn't in prison. 

If he did make a call, it would not be incitement, that would be actually engaging in the act, planning, and execution... which he wasn't. 

 

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, eyeball said:

There is when you incite an insurrection.

Which never happened. So there you go

[eyeball]

20 minutes ago, User said:

He made no such call.

"There's no question that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day."

Mitch McConnell 

22 minutes ago, User said:

Which is why he isn't in prison. 

He's not in prison because of people like Mitch McConnell.

[User]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

"There's no question that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day."

Mitch McConnell 

So, are you making a "practical and moral" argument or a legal one?

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

He's not in prison because of people like Mitch McConnell.

Mitch McConnell doesn't control the enforcement of federal laws. 

[eyeball]

33 minutes ago, User said:

So, are you making a "practical and moral" argument or a legal one?

All of them.

34 minutes ago, User said:

Mitch McConnell doesn't control the enforcement of federal laws. 

I'm pretty sure he could influence and support the intent of the a lot more than he does but he's a such a moral wreck and coward that he won't.

[User]

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

All of them.

Lets gauge your bias here... 

Do you think Democrats are responsible morally, practically, and legally for some of the BLM summer of violence and the deaths and destruction caused by it?

[eyeball]

16 minutes ago, User said:

Do you think Democrats are responsible morally, practically, and legally for some of the BLM summer of violence and the deaths and destruction caused by it?

No, I think the equivalency between Jan 6 and BLM protests is ridiculous.

Were any Democratic Representatives charged with sedition or attempted insurrection?

[User]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, I think the equivalency between Jan 6 and BLM protests is ridiculous.

Were any Democratic Representatives charged with sedition or attempted insurrection?

OK, I figured as much. 

Trump is not charged with sedition or attempted insurrection. So... ?

I get it now, its totally cool if Democrats incite violence that results in vastly more damage, more people harmed, more government property destroyed, more people killed, the siege of a federal court house... attacks on more LEO, attacks on the White House... that's totally cool with you. 

 

[BeaverFever]

Just because Republicans are going to claim every minor SNAFU is undeniable evidence of Democrat election fraud, let’s document today’s facts that conveniently favour Republicans 

Michigan Polling Place in District that voted Biden-Harris in 2020 Forced to Close due to conveniently timed gas leak 

A polling place in the swing state of Michigan was closed Tuesday afternoon following reports of a natural gas leak, according to the Associated Press. Voters were sent to different area precincts to cast their ballots.

Georgia Polling Place in District that voted Biden-Harris in 2020 Evacuated Due to Bomb Threat 

A polling location in the suburban Atlanta area of Gwinnett County was closed for about an hour Tuesday afternoon due to a non-credible bomb threat

Arizona Voters in Democrat-leaning Native District Turned Away 

A county in the swing state of Arizona that houses the Navajo Nation and the Fort Apache Indian Reservation is experiencing hours-long wait times at the polls and some voters were turned away Tuesday due to issues with faulty voting machines

 

Florida GOP Congresswoman shares Fake Election News  to Mislead Voters 

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, R-Fla., on Tuesday shared a graphic showing Trump as the projected electoral college winner that misinformation tracking company Alethea told The Washington Post is meant to “preemptively cast doubt on election results in the event that former President Trump loses.”

MAGA Trumptard Accidentally Starts  Seditious Jan 6 Insurrection Assault on Capitol 2 Months Early 

A man who was stopped during the security screening process at the Capitol Visitor Center "smelled like fuel" and was in possession of a torch, flare gun and two containers that smelled like gasoline, U.S. Capitol Police said Tuesday.

 

Russia Linked To Bomb Threats in Majority Black District 

Bomb threats that temporarily closed two polling places in a majority Black district in the swing state of Georgia were "of Russian origin," Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) said, adding, "They’re up to mischief, it seems, and they don’t want us to have a smooth, fair and accurate election."

Russia Paid Pro-Trump Influencer Who Spread Viral Lies on Social Media 

A pro-Trump social media influencer (who uses the @AlphaFox78 handle on X) said he was paid multiple times by a Russian propagandist to post a fake video about the election that spread lies about voter fraud.

And like a true authoritarian crook 

 

Trump Blocks Reporter Access

Reporters from multiple news outlets were denied credentials or had their credentials revoked for Trump's election night event in West Palm Beach, Florida. The denials came after the outlets published critical coverage of the former president.

Edited November 5, 2024 by BeaverFever

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Just because Republicans are going to claim every minor SNAFU is undeniable evidence of Democrat election fraud, let’s document today’s facts that conveniently favour Republicans 

Michigan Polling Place in District that voted Biden-Harris in 2020 Forced to Close due to conveniently timed gas leak 

A polling place in the swing state of Michigan was closed Tuesday afternoon following reports of a natural gas leak, according to the Associated Press. Voters were sent to different area precincts to cast their ballots.

Georgia Polling Place in District that voted Biden-Harris in 2020 Evacuated Due to Bomb Threat 

A polling location in the suburban Atlanta area of Gwinnett County was closed for about an hour Tuesday afternoon due to a non-credible bomb threat

Arizona Voters in Democrat-leaning Native District Turned Away 

A county in the swing state of Arizona that houses the Navajo Nation and the Fort Apache Indian Reservation is experiencing hours-long wait times at the polls and some voters were turned away Tuesday due to issues with faulty voting machines

 

Florida GOP Congresswoman shares Fake Election News  to Mislead Voters 

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, R-Fla., on Tuesday shared a graphic showing Trump as the projected electoral college winner that misinformation tracking company Alethea told The Washington Post is meant to “preemptively cast doubt on election results in the event that former President Trump loses.”

MAGA Trumptard Accidentally Starts  Seditious Jan 6 Insurrection Assault on Capitol 2 Months Early 

A man who was stopped during the security screening process at the Capitol Visitor Center "smelled like fuel" and was in possession of a torch, flare gun and two containers that smelled like gasoline, U.S. Capitol Police said Tuesday.

 

Russia Linked To Bomb Threats in Majority Black District 

Bomb threats that temporarily closed two polling places in a majority Black district in the swing state of Georgia were "of Russian origin," Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) said, adding, "They’re up to mischief, it seems, and they don’t want us to have a smooth, fair and accurate election."

Russia Paid Pro-Trump Influencer Who Spread Viral Lies on Social Media 

A pro-Trump social media influencer (who uses the @AlphaFox78 handle on X) said he was paid multiple times by a Russian propagandist to post a fake video about the election that spread lies about voter fraud.

And like a true authoritarian crook 

 

Trump Blocks Reporter Access

Reporters from multiple news outlets were denied credentials or had their credentials revoked for Trump's election night event in West Palm Beach, Florida. The denials came after the outlets published critical coverage of the former president.

Not seeing a lot of citations there?

Also how is trump not letting certain news reporters come to his conference election fraud?

And how do you conveniently time a gas leak?

And how Is showing trump as the projected winner of the college misinformation? Many if not all of the aggregate companies are projecting that he is the likely winner. That doesn't mean he's one but with the information they have right now that's their best guess

And how is a polling machine problem a republican issue? They're the ones that have been questioning the polling machine since day one?

 

 

So what you're saying is that a lot of things that have absolutely nothing to do with the republicans are proof that the republicans are somehow interfering with the election 

And you're comparing that with actually turning away republican scrutineers or the like?

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

There is when you incite an insurrection.

Good thing nobody did eh?

[BeaverFever]

9 hours ago, User said:

Oh, you mean the same argument you make when it took Gore almost 2 months to concede, only after he tried to steal the election from Bush and exhausted all his options?

That is a lie, he did not try to steal the election that’s a fact. He dis not asked to be named President like Trump did,  he simply asked for hand recounts as explicitly provided for in Florida election law. And he conceded SAME DAY as the USSC decision, not 2 months after it…which was barely 1 month after the election itself.

 

9 hours ago, User said:

Just as Gore continued on with the absurd notion he had the election stolen from him and YOU and other Democrats to this day continue to push the notion he "would" have won. 

 

He did not try to overturn the results, unlike Trump. He did not try to convince Americans that there was a vast conspiracy and the country and its institutions are corrupt to core at every level of society, unlike Trump. Gore repeatedly said he respected the court’s decision while he personally disagreed with it, unlike Trump. And he didn’t “continue on” with it, he said he piece briefly then gracefully stepped aside, unlike the past 4 years of Trump shrieking his election lies 24-7 trying yo create as much chaos as possible. 
 

He “would have won” if the entire state of Florida had been manually recounted that is a fact. But he didn’t request that. Saying a football team “would have won” if they had decided to kick a field goal instead of going for a touchdown and failing is not the same as saying the game is rigged and they shouhave won. Too bad you’re such 

 

Ive said all of this countless times to you and you just mindlessly repeat the same ridiculous talking points over and over like a brain-damaged troll. Then you go  “I won you ran away” when people get sick of repeating the same points to you time and again. 

[BeaverFever]

9 hours ago, User said:

There is no crime in exhausting all possible legal options you believe you have. 

Forging fake elector certificates is not a legal option 

Pressuring elections officials and lawmakers to fake their vote counts and back his fake elector certificates is not a legal option 

Pressuring the Vice President to violate his constitutional duty to certify the vote count is not a legal option

Knowingly filing dozens of fraudulent baseless lawsuits that are filled with lies and fail to meet even the basic legal standards of a lawsuit is not a legal option

 

Orchestrating the Jan 6 insurrection to try and prevent the election certification on its constitutionally required date is not a legal option

[Nationalist]

9 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

That is a lie, he did not try to steal the election that’s a fact. He dis not asked to be named President like Trump did,  he simply asked for hand recounts as explicitly provided for in Florida election law. And he conceded SAME DAY as the USSC decision, not 2 months after it…which was barely 1 month after the election itself.

 

He did not try to overturn the results, unlike Trump. He did not try to convince Americans that there was a vast conspiracy and the country and its institutions are corrupt to core at every level of society, unlike Trump. Gore repeatedly said he respected the court’s decision while he personally disagreed with it, unlike Trump. And he didn’t “continue on” with it, he said he piece briefly then gracefully stepped aside, unlike the past 4 years of Trump shrieking his election lies 24-7 trying yo create as much chaos as possible. 
 

He “would have won” if the entire state of Florida had been manually recounted that is a fact. But he didn’t request that. Saying a football team “would have won” if they had decided to kick a field goal instead of going for a touchdown and failing is not the same as saying the game is rigged and they shouhave won. Too bad you’re such 

 

Ive said all of this countless times to you and you just mindlessly repeat the same ridiculous talking points over and over like a brain-damaged troll. Then you go  “I won you ran away” when people get sick of repeating the same points to you time and again. 

Beave...do you realize the complete level of projection you engage in? I mean...do you realize your every post screams 'desperate freak'? You and @robosmith. I swear, you two are...off kilter.

Hell I don't even but glance over your insanity for fear it's somehow contagious.

[impartialobserver]

yes, lets cut to the chase for most on here. Every election is rigged. The illuminati are here to screw the hard working, honest, perfect folks. Tomorrow.. going to be proof that humans have devolved. 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Beave...do you realize the complete level of projection you engage in? I mean...do you realize your every post screams 'desperate freak'? You and @robosmith. I swear, you two are...off kilter.

Hell I don't even but glance over your insanity for fear it's somehow contagious.

False. 

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Not seeing a lot of citations there?

What do you mean?  Put your glasses on there’s hyperlinked text in every one of those statements

 

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Also how is trump not letting certain news reporters come to his conference election fraud?

. 
Its not, that  why that statement is separated and  under a different line. Typical authoritarian thug move. Imagine your reaction if Kamala banned Fox and WSJ because they said not nice things about her. 
 

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And how Is showing trump as the projected winner of the college misinformation? Many if not all of the aggregate companies are projecting that he is the likely winner. That doesn't mean he's one but with the information they have right now that's their best guess

First of all she posted a fake map showing Trump was winning in the vote count in the middle of election day when polls are still open were open no votes counted. Second the polls have shown the election is too close to call   
 

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And how is a polling machine problem a republican issue? They're the ones that have been questioning the polling machine since day one?

It shows these happen in US elections including in dem polling stations. Like I said whenever there’s a snafu affecting a republican polling station if it’s just a 10-second hiccup you guys scream conspiracy.
 

We all know the Republican fake news is going to run a cherry/picked list of only snafus  in republican districts to try  and push their conspiracy crap so Im going on record to show these happen in democratic districts too it’s part of every election…..except doe the bomb threats that’s a new Russian/MAGA contribution 

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

What do you mean?  Put your glasses on there’s hyperlinked text in every one of those statements

My bad, I didn't realize you'd hidden them inside the story itself with random words instead of putting them where people could see them.

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Its not, that  why that statement is separated and  under a different line. Typical authoritarian thug move. Imagine your reaction if Kamala banned Fox and WSJ because they said not nice things about her. 

But your point was about election interference. That was your whole initial statement. this is what you said:

Just because Republicans are going to claim every minor SNAFU is undeniable evidence of Democrat election fraud, let’s document today’s facts that conveniently favour Republicans 

Now you seem to be admitting that your examples don't support your initial statement.  

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First of all she posted a fake map showing Trump was winning in the vote count in the middle of election day when polls are still open were open no votes counted. Second the polls have shown the election is too close to call   

LOL  well you know that's a lie as well as i do   That is the projection from real clear politics, and every major poster or aggregator put out a similar map. It is not fake, it is a prediction and available freely on their map website and checked by millions of people everyday.

Posting the posters predictions is absolutely not fake or interference    How could you even say that with a straight face?
 

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It shows these happen in US elections including in dem polling stations. Like I said whenever there’s a snafu affecting a republican polling station if it’s just a 10-second hiccup you guys scream conspiracy.

It's not a republican polling station and it's not a democrat polling station. It's just a polling station. What republicans get angry about is how frequently these machines have a glitch which votes for the democrat even when you select the republican. That's a little different

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We all know the Republican fake news is going to run a cherry/picked list of only snafus  in republican districts to try  and push their conspiracy crap so Im going on record to show these happen in democratic districts too it’s part of every election…..except doe the bomb threats that’s a new Russian/MAGA contribution 

What we all know is that you're already trying to cover up for your loss. And you're trying to cover up for whatever democratic supporter tricks do get uncovered by claiming a bunch of utterly fake things somehow prove that whatever democrat you think is going to be accused of something is innocent

It's a complete joke. Next time pick real things and maybe you'll have a bit of a point but so far the things you've mentioned are just puerile.

[BeaverFever]

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Go one of the count to be done manually where every county would have its own different rules because he thought that would give him an edge and result in a different outcome.  Bush demanded that if there was a  recount it must be done following the same rules everywhere and it should be the rules that were originally in place. 

1) A recount was required by law because the vote was so close it wasn’t because of Gore

2) Florida election law EXPLICITLY STATES that either party can request a hand recount in any counties of their choosing

3) You have it mixed up: it was Gore who wanted all counties to follow the same counting rules 

4) The Florida supreme court agreed with Gore. Bush won on appeal to US Supreme Court  and even then the cote was split 5-4 so it’s not like Gores arguments were without merit like Trumps bogus garbage lawsuits that the courts wouldn’t even hear because they were so baseless. 

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

IN short, Gore tried to use the courts to force a loophole to his advantage so that he would win.  It is PRECISELY the same.

Ya done looking dumb yet?

Not a loophole for the reasons explained above. You’re the only one looking dumb. 
 

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Gore sued so the recount would be done the way he wanted so that he would benefit,

Should he have requested a recount that would benefit Bush????   A recount only confirms the votes were counted correctly amd none were missing l. The law EXPLICITLY SAYS either party can request any county of their choosing and Bush had the ability to request recounts of his own The lawsuit was actually over whether Florida had the authority to stop the hand recount before it finished, which is what happened in the end.   Ya done looking dumb yet?

Oh and Bush wanted military mail-in ballots counted even if they were postmarked after the deadline because he expected they would be mostly military and benefit him…total opposite of what Republicans CLAIM to believe today  

 

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

No, gore tried to do that and lost.

False. Did you even read you your own copy-paste?   It has nothing to do with your claim. 
 

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

SO Gore wanted to do it by hand which benefitted him, went to court to try to force that and lost. 

ONY AFTER EXHAUSTING ALL POSSIBLE LEGAL ACTIONS did he concede.

How does recounting by hand benefit him?  Unless you’re admitting that an accurate count would benefit him?  
 

Not after exhausting “all legal actions”. There was ONE lawsuit over ONE issue that is EXPLICITLY ALLOWED IN FLORIDA LAW.

Meanwhile Trump tried countless failed actions with no legal or factual basis at all, filled with made-up nonsense mumbo-jumbo arguments and fabricated claims.

 

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The election was called long before then, it was simply officially called at that point.

Pfffft. What are you talking about. Are you SERIOUSLY trying to claim that :

1) candidates normally concede and congratulate before networks officially predict a winner when the race is close

2) Hillary waiting for the official results before conceding and congratulating the same as Trump refusing to concede for 3 months while attempting to steal the election and then refusing to congratulate?

because those would both be more ridiculous claims on your part  

I stayed up until 2am for the 2016 election and still the networks had not called for Trump. It was the one of the closest elections in recent history.  Candidates concede when they realize the path to victory is no longer mathematically possible. 
 

Edited November 6, 2024 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

Kamala seems to be slightly  underperforming Biden’s 2020 results in most counties.  Still a close race but she needs those large urban centre votes to come in , which always take all night to count. 

[CdnFox]

29 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

1) A recount was required by law because the vote was so close it wasn’t because of Gore

2) Florida election law EXPLICITLY STATES that either party can request a hand recount in any counties of their choosing

3) You have it mixed up: it was Gore who wanted all counties to follow the same counting rules 

4) The Florida supreme court agreed with Gore. Bush won on appeal to US Supreme Court  and even then the cote was split 5-4 so it’s not like Gores arguments were without merit like Trumps bogus garbage lawsuits that the courts wouldn’t even hear because they were so baseless. 

Not a loophole for the reasons explained above. You’re the only one looking dumb. 
 

Should he have requested a recount that would benefit Bush????   A recount only confirms the votes were counted correctly amd none were missing l. The law EXPLICITLY SAYS either party can request any county of their choosing and Bush had the ability to request recounts of his own The lawsuit was actually over whether Florida had the authority to stop the hand recount before it finished, which is what happened in the end.   Ya done looking dumb yet?

Oh and Bush wanted military mail-in ballots counted even if they were postmarked after the deadline because he expected they would be mostly military and benefit him…total opposite of what Republicans CLAIM to believe today  

 

False. Did you even read you your own copy-paste?   It has nothing to do with your claim. 
 

How does recounting by hand benefit him?  Unless you’re admitting that an accurate count would benefit him?  
 

Not after exhausting “all legal actions”. There was ONE lawsuit over ONE issue that is EXPLICITLY ALLOWED IN FLORIDA LAW.

Meanwhile Trump tried countless failed actions with no legal or factual basis at all, filled with made-up nonsense mumbo-jumbo arguments and fabricated claims.

 

Pfffft. What are you talking about. Are you SERIOUSLY trying to claim that :

1) candidates normally concede and congratulate before networks officially predict a winner when the race is close

2) Hillary waiting for the official results before conceding and congratulating the same as Trump refusing to concede for 3 months while attempting to steal the election and then refusing to congratulate?

because those would both be more ridiculous claims on your part  

I stayed up until 2am for the 2016 election and still the networks had not called for Trump. It was the one of the closest elections in recent history.  Candidates concede when they realize the path to victory is no longer mathematically possible. 
 

Kid we've been through this. He refused to concede, he went to court to try and win the election on a technicality and the court shot him down and said no what you want isn't lawful.

That conversation is done. Now you just sound like a bit of a whiny biatch. 

And what happens is that candidates stay to the end of the night and talk to their audiences and give a concession speech if that's what's happened. And that's not what she did. She walked away from her crowd without a word and went and considered her options.

Enough bullshit already. It makes you look like a complete loser.

Some of the elements of what trump did are especially egregious even if he did believe that they were lawful, but let's not pretend that it's Unique in history because it isn't. The democrats have done similar things, they've attempted to use loopholes in the law to try and swing the election in their favor, they have not conceded when they should have in the past I took time to do so, and more than once.

So don't try and play it off as some big huge thing that only trump has ever done that's absolutely evil and cruel and means we shouldn't support him or the party because that's just absolute bullshit. There are more than enough things to criticize trump about without having to dramatize shit that just simply isn't real