Michael Hardner Posted October 25, 2024 Report Posted October 25, 2024 1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said: Link? I don't understand what you mean. Even if this is true, Canada is in control of their visa system. Mexico can't "force" Canada to not give Mexican travellers visas, and if it was some kind of stipulation that changed in NAFTA we didn't have to accept it. I'd like to see evidence of your claim. This is on the Liberals. Did you provide a link for the Mexico Visa thing? Go ahead and I'll read it. My information on NAFTA professionals is from memory. I did find this. https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/mexican-migration-canada It says that Mexican professionals did not have to go through the same process as non-nafta citizens coming to Canada. Not clear if they needed a Visa or not, but prior to 2009, visitors from Mexico did not need a Visa. There are lots of countries that don't need visas to travel here, including the US and Europe. We do have to accept NAFTA provisions, and we are at the table negotiating all of those with Mexico and the USA. I know you hate Trudeau, I don't like don't him either. But he's not the root of all of our problems. And wokeism isn't either. And he'll be gone very soon so you won't have to worry about him. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
DUI_Offender Posted October 25, 2024 Author Report Posted October 25, 2024 1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said: PP is war from perfect but he's probably a lot better than Trudeau. He can't be any worse. We don't need perfect, at this point we just need competent. If Trump gets elected, maybe it would be wise to have PP as PM. Trudeau embarrasses himself. Just look at that disastrous trip to India a few years back. India thinks he is weak. Quote
CdnFox Posted October 25, 2024 Report Posted October 25, 2024 Just now, DUI_Offender said: If Trump gets elected, maybe it would be wise to have PP as PM. Trudeau embarrasses himself. Just look at that disastrous trip to India a few years back. India thinks he is weak. Actually they've done a few poles and that's pretty much what Canadian said. Poilievre would be much better at standing up to trump then Justin would be. Here's one. Hub Exclusive: Poilievre is poised to benefit from a potential Trump victory - The Hub Quote
blackbird Posted October 25, 2024 Report Posted October 25, 2024 5 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: like Harper did in 2014 making consenting sex between adults (when material or money is exchanged) illegal (a criminal offense) to get the vote of reactionary religious right. Allowing prostitution is allowing girls and women' bodies to be exploited and used as a commodity. This is repugnant to many Canadians. Prostitution degrades the dignity of women and girls and is not something that should be condoned. 5 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Ever since 2014 based on Harper's law if you take your girlfriend to a dinner or buy her gift or jewelry and then have sex with her in your bedroom you can go to jail thanks to Harper and his idi*t injustice minister at the time. That sounds like you inventing something that doesn't exist. What happens between men and women, if it's not prostitution, does not interest the government. It is wrong from a Biblical point of view because sex outside of marriage is fornication and condemned in the Bible. But it is not something any government in recent decades has become involved in. Nobody has been arrested unless it involves exploitation of women, girls, or youth. Bill C-36 was passed but it was fundamentally to outlaw the sexual exploitation of women and girls. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted October 25, 2024 Report Posted October 25, 2024 46 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Did you provide a link for the Mexico Visa thing? Go ahead and I'll read it. https://globalnews.ca/news/10629834/documents-canada-u-s-mexico-visa-bilateral-irritant/ If you don't even know about the Mexico visa issue then why are you making an argument defending the Liberals taking the visa requirements off? I have to educate you on the issue basics like the foreign interference discussion on the other board? They reversed the policy and put the visa requirement back on because their decision was stupid and the Biden admin was complaining that Mexican illegals were entering Canada, overstaying their visits, and entering the US from the Canada-US border. Many others just stay in Canada illegally. Why? Because this government sucks at their jobs and so often don't act in the interests of Canadians. Its a pattern (see foreign interference). The Liberals are incapable of defending this country from many foreign threats. They're too worried about offending people like you and many other progressives are. Progressives need to grow some balls. We should be acting in the best interests of the country instead of worrying about people's feelings being offended and pandering to immigrants for votes or doing favours for Canadian corporations who love undocumented immigrants, temporary foreign workers/students etc. Quote My information on NAFTA professionals is from memory. I did find this. https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/mexican-migration-canada It says that Mexican professionals did not have to go through the same process as non-nafta citizens coming to Canada. Not clear if they needed a Visa or not, but prior to 2009, visitors from Mexico did not need a Visa. .... There are lots of countries that don't need visas to travel here, including the US and Europe. The Liberals removed the visa requirements for Mexico. Why? This year they reversed course and but the visa requirements back on because it was bad policy. They're incompetent fools. If you have a quote from your link (or any other link) where it says we can't have visa requirements for travelers from Mexico because of NAFTA please post it. Otherwise i'm rejecting the argument. Whenever i criticize Liberal immigration policy it seems to bother you. Why? This seems more based on your emotions than facts. I'm interested in good policy and what's in the best interests of the country, and unlike "woke progressives" i'm not interested in who is or isn't offended by immigration policy. Quote There are lots of countries that don't need visas to travel here, including the US and Europe. And why do you think they have visa requirements for travel from most countries outside of the US and Europe? This will provide the answer as to whether Mexico travelers should have visa requirements or not. Quote I know you hate Trudeau, I don't like don't him either. But he's not the root of all of our problems. And wokeism isn't either. And he'll be gone very soon so you won't have to worry about him. He's the worst PM in Canada's history. My opinion and as voted by Canadians in polls. I never said he and wokeism is "the cause of all our problems", this is a ridiculous strawman so i'm rejecting that argument. They are a cause of some or many of our problems or at least making some or many of them worse. I also reject your whattaboutisms. "Whattabout the economy?". Wokeness and Trudeau are bad and i'm going to criticize the specifics of them, including immigration policies they've made which are bad, until they're voted out. If you don't like that i can't help you. I'm certainly not going to stop because it bothers you. If you want to talk about another issue then make a thread about it. This thread is about Liberal immigration policy. You're part of the problem because you never want to talk about these issues, you want to ignore them and talk about other things and make other people stop talking about them. It was the same about immigration affecting housing costs which you eventually came around on once the MSM started talking about it. Problems don't get solved by ignoring them, they get solved by confronting and discussing them and potential solutions. If you don't want to talk about them then click on another thread and/or create your own threads or ignore my posts. Please stop telling me what issues I should and shouldn't care about. If you post one of these red herring and whattaboutism replies yet again in response to my posts i'm putting you on ignore for a month. I'm really sick of it. Stick to the issues. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Michael Hardner Posted October 25, 2024 Report Posted October 25, 2024 @Moonlight Graham our guests have arrived for the evening. I will respond in time, friend. I think I found a Reddit thread that answers the question about NAFTA professionals... 1 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
August1991 Posted October 26, 2024 Report Posted October 26, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 3:29 PM, Five of swords said: No, Canada should radically increase immigration. Strongly disagree. Quote
August1991 Posted October 26, 2024 Report Posted October 26, 2024 (edited) On 10/24/2024 at 3:30 PM, CdnFox said: .... But probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 200,000 to 300,000 should be our target for the next little while, although we may have to work our way down to that a little bit and make sure we take the steps necessary so that it doesn't crash our economy I disagree. In the past, we received far more. Canada has lots of space. We Canadians can receive 400,000 or about 1% of our current population. ---- In the 1890s. OTOH, we accepted "Ukrainians" (Galicians, Ruthenians, Slovaks, Poles etc) while sending French-Canadians south. Google: Clifford Sifton ==== At issue is how we bring these people into our Canadian world. Edited October 26, 2024 by August1991 Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted October 26, 2024 Report Posted October 26, 2024 4 hours ago, blackbird said: Allowing prostitution is allowing girls and women' bodies to be exploited and used as a commodity. This is repugnant to many Canadians. Prostitution degrades the dignity of women and girls and is not something that should be condoned. God forbid, eventually we agreed on something!!!!!!. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted October 26, 2024 Report Posted October 26, 2024 4 hours ago, blackbird said: Allowing prostitution is allowing girls and women' bodies to be exploited and used as a commodity. This is repugnant to many Canadians. Prostitution degrades the dignity of women and girls and is not something that should be condoned. That sounds like you inventing something that doesn't exist. What happens between men and women, if it's not prostitution, does not interest the government. It is wrong from a Biblical point of view because sex outside of marriage is fornication and condemned in the Bible. But it is not something any government in recent decades has become involved in. Nobody has been arrested unless it involves exploitation of women, girls, or youth. Bill C-36 was passed but it was fundamentally to outlaw the sexual exploitation of women and girls. Prostitution (the oldest profession) was not eliminated but pushed underground. Anything pushed underground involves gangs and violence. More violence against women as based on bill C-36, the pimps (the real criminals) can pose easily as security guards and drivers and escape justice. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted October 26, 2024 Report Posted October 26, 2024 (edited) 15 hours ago, blackbird said: Allowing prostitution is allowing girls and women' bodies to be exploited and used as a commodity. This is repugnant to many Canadians. It wasn't people from other countries or other planets who were/are paying for sex in Canada. You have some attitudes towards other nationalities in your posts even against those long time citizens of Canada. By the way a majority of Canadians support decriminalization of prostitution as they believe this will provide a safe environment for many sex workers who will remain in this oldest profession whether legal or illegal. https://angusreid.org/half-of-canadians-willing-to-allow-adults-to-engage-in-prostitution/ The New Zealand model has widespread support where workers can work legally under police protection, checked for health issues or sex related diseases and pay taxes and forced prostitution and underaged prostitution will not happen because the law enforcement enforces the prostitution laws. Edited October 26, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted October 26, 2024 Report Posted October 26, 2024 6 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: If Trump gets elected, maybe it would be wise to have PP as PM. Trudeau embarrasses himself. Just look at that disastrous trip to India a few years back. India thinks he is weak. That's because he is weak. He and his party are incapable of defending this country. The only thing they seemed to do well was defend us against Trump's trade war stuff. If he were a black Democrat they'd probably fold like a lawn chair and hide under the table. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Mathieub Posted October 26, 2024 Report Posted October 26, 2024 We should be even on the population size. It require what it require. Quote
cougar Posted October 26, 2024 Report Posted October 26, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 2:19 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said: Today, Trudeau admitted his mistake by cutting immigration by merely 20% to just under 400,000 next year and GRADUALLY down to 365K by 2027. Why do they need to do it "gradually"? Was it very gradual when they jumped from 250K/year to 1,000,000/year? Reducing the number drastically can be done in a second. No need for any adjustments. And I hope most of those 1,000,000/year newcomers who came in the past three years were so grossly disappointed that they left to seek better luck elsewhere. 1 Quote
cougar Posted October 26, 2024 Report Posted October 26, 2024 5 hours ago, August1991 said: I disagree. In the past, we received far more. Canada has lots of space. Space which does not belong. to humans. It used to be bison habitat or habitat of other species that were extirpated in favor of the tax paying species - the homo sapiens. Our government is nothing more than a bunch of dumb farmers stocking the prairies with East Indians and Chinese in a global scam called market economy with a medium of fictional value (money) which has continued over a couple of centuries thanks to endless resources. Well, turns out resources are not endless and their increased extraction affects the global climate. Time for the scam to come to its natural ending. 2 Quote
CdnFox Posted October 26, 2024 Report Posted October 26, 2024 6 hours ago, August1991 said: I disagree. In the past, we received far more. And now we're broken nobody has anywhere to live so kind of a bad thing Quote Canada has lots of space. But no homes. Quote
blackbird Posted October 26, 2024 Report Posted October 26, 2024 11 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: By the way a majority of Canadians support decriminalization of prostitution as they believe this will provide a safe environment for many sex workers who will remain in this oldest profession whether legal or illegal. That's an empty argument and possibly false. Our leaders should not be governing our country based on what someone claims are the most popular opinion. First, we don't know if that is a fact or just a lying piece of propaganda. Second, prostitution is harmful to society and the individuals involved and their families. So let's not see you promoting evil in Canada. We have enough already. Similar arguments are being made for safe injection sites and free hard drugs for addicts. It doesn't solve the drug crisis and only enables it. Again it is people promoting evil and turning society into a dumpster fire. I'm sure the devil loves the people promoting all this evil. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted October 26, 2024 Report Posted October 26, 2024 (edited) 16 minutes ago, blackbird said: That's an empty argument and possibly false. Our leaders should not be governing our country based on what someone claims are the most popular opinion. First, we don't know if that is a fact or just a lying piece of propaganda. Second, prostitution is harmful to society and the individuals involved and their families. So let's not see you promoting evil in Canada. We have enough already. Similar arguments are being made for safe injection sites and free hard drugs for addicts. It doesn't solve the drug crisis and only enables it. Again it is people promoting evil and turning society into a dumpster fire. I'm sure the devil loves the people promoting all this evil. Prostitution has many evil sides like forced prostitution, pimping, trafficking underaged prostitution. But i see no evil if it is consenting and under protection with strict rules on age and consent. Scientists use their brain to make a living, workers use their hands and sex workers use other parts. As I said it is the oldest profession and has been there since humans started walking on two feet and will be there to the end so lets deal with it in a logical non-religious way where everyone would be safe and protected. Like any other issue it has to be governed by rules. For example abortion must be banned after a certain time after pregnancy when the fetus starts developing heart beat or doctor assisted suicide only for cases where the patient is alert and in pain and no hope of survival. However, religious fanatics wish to impose their will upon the majority and forcefully enforced what has been written in bible over 2000 years ago and ban everything unconditionally and force it upon the majority. Edited October 26, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
blackbird Posted October 26, 2024 Report Posted October 26, 2024 3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: But i see no evil if it is consenting and under protection with strict rules on age and consent. Scientists use their brain to make a living, workers use their hands and sex workers use other parts. That is just pure evil. You have a very debauched and decadent mind it seems. Prostitution is certainly evil and spreads evil around as well as syphilis, gonorrhea, HIV, etc. This is a well known fact. It leads to people committing fornication and adultery. Adultery often results in breakup of marriages and children being raised by one parent which is a handicap to them and often leads to problems itself. When government condones or allows something harmful like illicit drugs, prostitution, etc. then government is promoting things that are harmful and evil. They are contributing to the destruction of an orderly society and the ruin of the lives of millions of people. Your problem is you have no sense of right and wrong or put another common way, no moral compass. You are not alone. Society is full of people like that. Perhaps you have friends that think that way too. That doesn't help. You need to leave them behind. The only thing I can recommend for you is to get a King James Bible (Authorized Version) and start studying it. Possibly also find a good fundamental church and start attending. Perhaps you could find some good friends in such a church that would help you find the right path and provide some real friendship and happiness. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted October 26, 2024 Report Posted October 26, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, blackbird said: That is just pure evil. You have a very debauched and decadent mind it seems. Prostitution is certainly evil and spreads evil around as well as syphilis, gonorrhea, HIV, etc. This is a well known fact. It leads to people committing fornication and adultery. Adultery often results in breakup of marriages and children being raised by one parent which is a handicap to them and often leads to problems itself. When government condones or allows something harmful like illicit drugs, prostitution, etc. then government is promoting things that are harmful and evil. They are contributing to the destruction of an orderly society and the ruin of the lives of millions of people. Your problem is you have no sense of right and wrong or put another common way, no moral compass. You are not alone. Society is full of people like that. Perhaps you have friends that think that way too. That doesn't help. You need to leave them behind. The only thing I can recommend for you is to get a King James Bible (Authorized Version) and start studying it. Possibly also find a good fundamental church and start attending. Perhaps you could find some good friends in such a church that would help you find the right path and provide some real friendship and happiness. You are a religious dictator who when defeated in debates makes personal attacks. This is not about me. This is about debating a topic. Your problem is that you live 2000 years ago and do not take logic if it is in contrast to what was written and may have been suitable 2000 years ago. You also pick and choose and misquote what I said. I did acknowledge that under many conditions prostitution is indeed evil and making it illegal promotes the evil sides which I describe as what the evil sides are, however, I said if it is consenting sex among adults then I don't see no evil. It is not anymore evil than when I take my girlfriend out to dinner and buy her expensive jewelry and then we come home and have sex. Yes the bible calls it adultery and it is a sin punishable but I see no evil if it is consenting even if material is exchanged. As for what is evil, evil is when you poat and demand the West to give more lethal weapons to Israel so that they do better job at killing women and children, so far estimated at over 30,000. It is a debate not a war. If you are not mature enough to debate a topic in a mature respectful manner then I have nothing to debate with you anymore. Edited October 26, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
blackbird Posted October 27, 2024 Report Posted October 27, 2024 4 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Yes the bible calls it adultery and it is a sin punishable but I see no evil if it is consenting even if material is exchanged. It i 4 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Your problem is that you live 2000 years ago and do not take logic if it is in contrast to what was written and may have been suitable 2000 years ago. There are some things that people don't have to be a Christian or believe in the Bible to know. You don't appear to know that. It is a fake excuse to dismiss these things as just being religious. Things like murder, stealing, adultery, and yes, fornication or pre-marital sex are all wrong. Just because many people in modern society are pagans and don't accept Christianity, doesn't make what people do right. Society has become quite depraved and fallen in the last 100 years. You seem to somehow think these things are progress or progressive and great improvements. Actually it is the opposite. More divorce, and breakup of families, more crime, and more youth involved in these things is not a improvement of society at all. It is a collapse of society. Quote
cougar Posted October 27, 2024 Report Posted October 27, 2024 1 hour ago, blackbird said: It is a collapse of society. 🤣 Society has already collapsed even without prostitution legalization. Clearly there is not enough sex happening in this country (why else need prostitutes) and people are squeezed out of existence and depressed (why else need that much drugs , now legalized). And because there is no sex and few births, the government is importing millions of foreign residents. I think we should have a new immigration class - something like "hot peach" , whatever. Those under the class should be pretty females - 18-22 years of age and devoted to working in the sex trade for 10 years, or till giving birth to 5 children , whichever comes first. It will help the society tremendously! It will cure most depressions, reduce dependency on drugs and alcohol, improve health and positive thinking. It will eliminate the need of immigration, thus cutting down on all those government immigration jobs. We can get rid of the whole ministry together with the minister. This will reduce our taxes too and on and on the positives..... Of course, you blackbird will not be allowed to take advantage of the new program and propagate as you were all against it. It goes against your religious beliefs anyways. Quote
blackbird Posted October 27, 2024 Report Posted October 27, 2024 "6 A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth. 7 Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge. 8 The wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way: but the folly of fools is deceit. 9 Fools make a mock at sin: but among the righteous there is favour. Proverbs 14:6-9 KJV Quote
I am Groot Posted October 27, 2024 Report Posted October 27, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 3:24 PM, DUI_Offender said: Considering the extremely negative effects of letting in over 1,000,000 new Canadians per year, since the beginning of 2022, would it be wise to limit the amount of new Canadians (immigrants/temp workers/international students) to 200,000/year until 2030, considering we lack the employment, housing, infrastructure, health care, and educational institutions needed for the 3.1 million new people we have let in in the past 33 months? No. It should be limited to less than 100k 1 Quote
I am Groot Posted October 27, 2024 Report Posted October 27, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 3:30 PM, CdnFox said: Probably not that low. But probably not much higher than that. It gets a little more complicated. You don't want to scare off people like Developers without somehow working with them to make sure they keep building up homes. But probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 200,000 to 300,000 should be our target for the next little while, although we may have to work our way down to that a little bit and make sure we take the steps necessary so that it doesn't crash our economy Far too high. We've been letting in that many for decades now and are losing our national cohesion. There are so many immigrant kids in school they can't find many Canadians to integrate with. Instead, in some cases, it's Canadian kids who are being influenced by the immigrant kids. As I have pointed out before, Immigration Canada's own report from 2017 warns that Canada was losing its capacity to absorb newcomers. Immigrants were becoming less likely to even bother learning local languages, immigrant ethnic ghettos were growing, and immigrants were performing poorer in economic terms. More to the point, as recent events have demonstrated when immigrants don't integrate when they hang onto their old world values and beliefs, they also hang onto their old-world loyalties and hatreds. We don't need to set up new foreign states within our own country. That way lies nothing but violence. Nor do we need what's left of our Canadian cultures and values to be washed away under a flood of foreigners who can't integrate even if they want to because there's so few Canadians left around them to integrate into. 1 Quote
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