Palestinian activists in Canada celebrate Hamas on Oct 7 anniversary

[herbie]

1 hour ago, Five of swords said:

In a democracy in a country based on a single group based on race or religion, would be a disaster and lead to endless violence and disorder.

FTFY, because it always has and always will.

[Moonlight Graham]

On 10/12/2024 at 7:57 PM, eyeball said:

Oh really? And what if you were a Jew moving to Palestine in 1946 - 47?

Probably argue what country, what constitution? Without those there are no local laws to abide by.

...budda budda budda budda budda!!! Yeehaw! Or Yahweh...whatever...

In 1946-47 Mandatory Palestine was ruled by the British Empire, who captured it from the Ottoman Empire which fell during WWI, who captured it from other Arab empires, who captured it from the Roman Empire yada yada.  The last time Palestine/Israel was sovereign pre-1948 was probably 2000+ years ago.

[Moonlight Graham]

On 10/12/2024 at 9:06 PM, herbie said:

Oh the whole discussion about oaths is irrelevant. More so when sworn to as a Cub Scout, Boy Scout or Cadet, or even as an adult before 1982 when the monarchy shit meant Canada. That's the part that makes you a loyal citizen.

To a country where you're able to disagree, even because you're a bleeding imbecile, to assemble and protest freely.
Throw rotten eggs and tomatoes at id!ots that cheer for Hamas, burn the flag and chant Death to Canada. Stop whining that they should make it illegal if you won't even risk a whack on the peepee to show your disapproval.

The oath is a legal contract signed verbally.  In law nobody gets to unilaterally change the contracts they sign at a whim after they sign off on the contract without the consent of the other party, in this case the government.

Canadians decide laws, but are signed off by the monarch (or their rep, the GG).  So all laws are the King's laws.  If you swear an oath to the monarch you're signing an oath to the monarch's laws and monarch's country, which is Canada.

An oath to the monarch is the same as an oath to the country, don't get wrapped up in technicalities.  Dougie is sore Canada became an independent country that's 100% sovereign from the British Crown and doesn't even understand the oaths he's swore.

[Moonlight Graham]

On 10/10/2024 at 1:26 PM, eyeball said:

I honestly can't think of any greater evil or crime against humanity than siccing a dictator on a civilian population. Especially when you know better.

And America did know better, just go ask Truman.

I believe the British led that coup.  Regardless, no it wasn't very nice to do that, to say the least.

The question is why did they do it?  It was part of the cold war.  Oil is the lifeblood of the western economy and militaries.  If oil starts being nationalized across the middle-east and controlled by communist/socialist interests allied with the USSR then it becomes a massive national security risk because they can block oil to western countries just like the US did to the Japanese empire in 1941, which is why they attacked Pearl harbor.

OPEC countries created an economic crisis in 1973 by disrupting oil supplies to western countries for political reasons.  The Iranian Revolution also caused oil insecurity that crippled our economy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970s_energy_crisis

So then the choice for NATO is either risk allowing that to happen or be engage in morally questionable foreign policy that protects you but screws over Iran.  The ethics are problematic either way.

Edited October 15, 2024 by Moonlight Graham

[Five of swords]

17 hours ago, herbie said:

FTFY, because it always has and always will.

Literally every country until very recently was focused on a single race and religion. It worked fine. Wars only occurred when diversity was introduced.

[eyeball]

12 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

In 1946-47 Mandatory Palestine was ruled by the British Empire, who captured it from the Ottoman Empire which fell during WWI, who captured it from other Arab empires, who captured it from the Roman Empire yada yada.  The last time Palestine/Israel was sovereign pre-1948 was probably 2000+ years ago.

Bully for all the poobahs. Now what about the nearly 2 million ordinary people living there?

You'd just expect them to get the fu ck out because of what you said?

Submitting to these demands is what you'd do in their shoes? What if they'd killed loved ones if yours in the process?

[eyeball]

11 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The ethics are problematic either way.

Yeah notice the problems are center stage on our TVs every night and we just keep doubling down on the ethics.

Karma. Cause and effect.

[taxme]

On 10/8/2024 at 8:54 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

On twitter there's lots of footage of crowds of pro-Palestinian activists marching in the streets in cities across Canada on the Oct 7 anniversary of the Hamas terror attacks protesting Israel etc.  This is obviously disgusting disrespect for the Israeli civilians slaughtered and taken hostage and is showing support for Hamas and this civilian genocidal massacre. Unbelievable that we have crowds of terrorist and genocide supporters on our streets.  Freedom of speech doesn't include supporting terrorists massacring civilians, this is a violent threat to Israelis and Jews here and abroad.

Here's one example of a child in Montreal leading a crowd telling Jews to go back to Europe as his dad cheers him on:

In Vancouver they held nothing back, and the crowd cheered these words:  https://bc.ctvnews.ca/leaders-condemn-hateful-rhetoric-at-b-c-pro-palestinian-protest-on-oct-7-1.7066750

The crowd cheered those words.  They also burned a Canadian flag.  Thankfully police are looking into this incident.  I think they should look into anyone celebrating Oct 7 and supporting these genocidal maniacs like Hamas and Hezbollah.

Isn't multiculturalism and diversity just a fun and wonderful agenda to have? And it has been many Zionist organizations in Canada that have been pushing for more multiculturalism and diversity for decades now. They asked for it and they got it. Now they must pay the price of their stupidity. I have no mercy for them and their Zionist nonsense that has pretty much destroyed Caucasian Canada. The multicultural dog has finally bitten the hand that brought them all here. 😏

[myata]

Somewhere around the 60s of the last century the global situation changed. West experienced a period of growth and prosperity; the flow of immigration from Western countries, with similar culture traditions including democratic, all but ceased. That was the time for a serious national conversation: to change and adapt, build an agile and dynamic national state; or continue the expansion model, just find sources of cheap labor elsewhere.

Where, though? The options are limited: third world; conflict zones. There's no keeping the centuries old model without becoming entangled into other people's conflicts and repatriating them here.

What I would like to see though is credible alternatives. In the traditional Canadian ruling duo, there's a perfect consensus: none are needed, or even worthy of a serious consideration. They, both and pretty much equally just want to drag it on as long as it can be kicked and squeezed and they sure have offshore options. How will it play out for the rest of the residents here is a good question. But we don't like this kind of challenges, pack of beer a hockey game and it'll sure figure itself out somehow. Will it? Did someone promise us that?

[Five of swords]

54 minutes ago, myata said:

Somewhere around the 60s of the last century the global situation changed. West experienced a period of growth and prosperity; the flow of immigration from Western countries, with similar culture traditions including democratic, all but ceased. That was the time for a serious national conversation: to change and adapt, build an agile and dynamic national state; or continue the expansion model, just find sources of cheap labor elsewhere.

Where, though? The options are limited: third world; conflict zones. There's no keeping the centuries old model without becoming entangled into other people's conflicts and repatriating them here.

What I would like to see though is credible alternatives. In the traditional Canadian ruling duo, there's a perfect consensus: none are needed, or even worthy of a serious consideration. They, both and pretty much equally just want to drag it on as long as it can be kicked and squeezed and they sure have offshore options. How will it play out for the rest of the residents here is a good question. But we don't like this kind of challenges, pack of beer a hockey game and it'll sure figure itself out somehow. Will it? Did someone promise us that?

Most of what you are saying just seems Ike fluff, but I feel like you don't understand what a nation state actually is...and the decision to end nation states occurred with the second world War. The fascist movement t already tackledand basically solved the problems you act like you are concerned about. The problem was that it isn't very good for jews.

[herbie]

6 hours ago, Five of swords said:

Literally every country until very recently was focused on a single race and religion. It worked fine. Wars only occurred when diversity was introduced.

See no logical error in that conclusion?
Like how about uniting the German speaking people, the Russian people? In the Sudatenland, in the Donbass? Someone else's country. Or (pick any one) Slavic enclave. The Crusades even?

Every single war in history. We either learn to get along or we're f*cked in the end.

[Five of swords]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

See no logical error in that conclusion?
Like how about uniting the German speaking people, the Russian people? In the Sudatenland, in the Donbass? Someone else's country. Or (pick any one) Slavic enclave. The Crusades even?

Every single war in history. We either learn to get along or we're f*cked in the end.

The conclusion should be the exact opposite. Ww2 was caused by people refusing to let Hitler unite the germans. News flash, thr uk declared war first, not Germany. The sident3land was annexed peacefully fyi, the fighting started when poland refused to hand over danzig. Russia also could have annexed the donbass peacefully also, nato just didn't allow it. The crusades, which you randomly threw in there, were inspired by the Turkish militant expansion and fall of Constantinople. So can you think of any example that supports your point instead of mine?

Edited October 16, 2024 by Five of swords

[herbie]

4 hours ago, Five of swords said:

Ww2 was caused by people refusing to let Hitler unite the germans.

Now that's got to be the utmost level of stupidity someone can achieve. It was everyone else's fault, The DonOld couldn't have said it better. Everyone else is lying.....

[Nefarious Banana]

8 minutes ago, herbie said:

Now that's got to be the utmost level of stupidity someone can achieve. It was everyone else's fault, The DonOld couldn't have said it better. Everyone else is lying.....

waldo?

[Five of swords]

39 minutes ago, herbie said:

Now that's got to be the utmost level of stupidity someone can achieve. It was everyone else's fault, The DonOld couldn't have said it better. Everyone else is lying.....

Huh? I'm not suggesting anyone is lying. This is the actual official story. The uk declared war on Hitler to stop him from getting danzig...that's the normie version of history...

[Aristides]

13 hours ago, Five of swords said:

The conclusion should be the exact opposite. Ww2 was caused by people refusing to let Hitler unite the germans. News flash, thr uk declared war first, not Germany. The sident3land was annexed peacefully fyi, the fighting started when poland refused to hand over danzig. Russia also could have annexed the donbass peacefully also, nato just didn't allow it. The crusades, which you randomly threw in there, were inspired by the Turkish militant expansion and fall of Constantinople. So can you think of any example that supports your point instead of mine?

FFS the first crusade was over 300 years before the fall of Constantinople. Where did you learn your history, Trump U?

[Five of swords]

43 minutes ago, Aristides said:

FFS the first crusade was over 300 years before the fall of Constantinople. Where did you learn your history, Trump U?

No, constantinople fell twice and the first crusade happened a year after it first fell. Also, of course, after they had conquered Spain and made encroaches on italy.

Edited October 16, 2024 by Five of swords

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, Five of swords said:

No, constantinople fell twice and the first crusade happened a year after it first fell. Also, of course, after they had conquered Spain and made encroaches on italy.

Bullshit, unless you are talking about the sacking of Constantinople by the 4th crusade, 250 years before its fall to the Ottomans. The first crusades were against Arab expansion, not Turks. You do know the difference?
 

As far as Hitler uniting the German people goes, Austria didn’t ask to be united. Chamberlain gifted the Sudetenland on a promise of “peace in our time” which Hitler promptly tore up and gobbled up the rest of Czechoslovakia (not German) He then used Danzig as an excuse while he staged a “Polish” raid on a radio station and used that as an excuse to launch a huge invasion of the whole country while colluding with Stalin to gobble up eastern Poland. Britain and France declared war because they had guaranteed Polish independence. BTW Gdańsk is still Polish and I haven’t heard Germans complaining.

[Five of swords]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Bullshit, unless you are talking about the sacking of Constantinople by the 4th crusade, 250 years before its fall to the Ottomans. The first crusades were against Arab expansion, not Turks. You do know the difference?
 

As far as Hitler uniting the German people goes, Austria didn’t ask to be united. Chamberlain gifted the Sudetenland on a promise of “peace in our time” which Hitler promptly tore up and gobbled up the rest of Czechoslovakia (not German) He then used Danzig as an excuse while he staged a “Polish” raid on a radio station and used that as an excuse to launch a huge invasion of the whole country while colluding with Stalin to gobble up eastern Poland. Britain and France declared war because they had guaranteed Polish independence. BTW Gdańsk is still Polish and I haven’t heard Germans complaining.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Manzikert

 

"is also seen as one of the root causes for the later Crusades, in that the First Crusade of 1095 was originally a western response to the Byzantine emperor's call for military assistance after the loss of Anatolia.[51] "

 

Okay?

 

Also, Austria absolutrly did ask to be part of germany...at least 97% of them did...there was a referendum. Same with sudenteland. The rest of Slovakia begged to become a puppet state of Germany out of fear that hungry or Romania would swallow them (and Germany had by far the best economy in the region)

 

Danzig was supposed to be 'independent according to the Versailles treaty but poland occupied and took it. It was of course a german city. Hitler actually desperately wanted a peaceful resolution as he had achieved with sudebteland and austria. And memel..but poland refused, no doubt emboldened/demanded by the western powers who made that pact right after Germany acquired surenteland. Anyway, Hitler was of course just trying to unite the German people and for some reason the uk and france hadan issue with that. At face value itshould have been none of their business, but of course they were worried at how much of a success Germany was and how it fought against jewish power.

[Aristides]

Constantinople was not in Anatolia.

If Hitler wanted a peaceful resolution why did he invade all of Poland. Hitler always maintained the Soviet Union was his  real objective and that was impossible with independent Poland and Czechoslovakia in the way.

Lebensraum

[herbie]

Trump U seems about right.

The UK started WW2 indeed. If they'd only not done anything, 50 million lives wouldn't be their fault.

[Army Guy]

On 10/15/2024 at 2:13 PM, eyeball said:

Yeah notice the problems are center stage on our TVs every night and we just keep doubling down on the ethics.

Karma. Cause and effect.

Yup when your a terrorist you get a sh1t ton of karma...cause and effect....what we should be doing here in Canada is shipping Gaza reinforcements...so they to can feel all that karma cause and effect....give them all a chance to martyr themselves...it is what they want....they certainly don't want peace do they... 

[Moonlight Graham]

On 10/15/2024 at 1:09 PM, eyeball said:

Bully for all the poobahs. Now what about the nearly 2 million ordinary people living there?

You'd just expect them to get the fu ck out because of what you said?

Submitting to these demands is what you'd do in their shoes? What if they'd killed loved ones if yours in the process?

There were no easy answers in that situation.  I really don't even know how they planned to implement the 1947 UN Partition Plan that passed had the 1948 war not happened.

Your idea to give Jews a part of Germany would have also likely meant non-Jews would have had to move.

If i were in the Palestinian situation i'd understand why Israel wanted their land and religious sites back but would be mad if forced to move, i'd want compensation, and I'd fight it, especially if family members and friends were killed, but I also wouldn't be targeting civilians for murder.

Empathy is a 2-way street.  If your race was booted out of your native lands and being exterminated in Europe and every white country was racist against you'd probably prefer your own country back than continuing to flee as a refugee.

[Moonlight Graham]

On 10/15/2024 at 1:13 PM, eyeball said:

Yeah notice the problems are center stage on our TVs every night and we just keep doubling down on the ethics.

Karma. Cause and effect.

If you had to choose between our enemies controlling most of the world's oil reserves and having that leverage to cripple our economies versus intervening in the middle-east (sometimes militarily), which would you choose?  You make it seem like it's all so black and white.

[Moonlight Graham]

On 10/15/2024 at 4:41 PM, herbie said:

See no logical error in that conclusion?
Like how about uniting the German speaking people, the Russian people? In the Sudatenland, in the Donbass? Someone else's country. Or (pick any one) Slavic enclave. The Crusades even?

Every single war in history. We either learn to get along or we're f*cked in the end.

If we want people to live peacefully together within a single country we need to focus on national identity that includes everyone over smaller group identities.  We've done the exact opposite in Canada the last few decades.  Tribalism is rising all over the western world.  Some of that is due to demographic changes, but progressives haven't been helping with all the recent woke ideology that focuses on group identity.