DUI_Offender Posted October 21 Report Posted October 21 I will tell you this much. I would prefer working or even hanging out with Indigenous people, than all these South Asians that are trying to take over Canada... Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 21 Report Posted October 21 37 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: I will tell you this much. I would prefer working or even hanging out with Indigenous people, than all these South Asians that are trying to take over Canada... First of all, most indigenous do not work so you would be doing a lot of hanging out LOL The Asians work, pay taxes and support our community, not take from it and give nothing back in return. 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
herbie Posted October 21 Report Posted October 21 Well thank you for your down vote. I'm not here for a popularity contest, it's a discussion forum. So do tell us which or what your big objection is? Can't or won't say it out loud? Already know it's not valid? What is it? Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 21 Report Posted October 21 (edited) 23 minutes ago, herbie said: Well thank you for your down vote. I'm not here for a popularity contest, it's a discussion forum. So do tell us which or what your big objection is? Can't or won't say it out loud? Already know it's not valid? What is it? Unfortunately a down vote is the only way to show disagreement to the post. Perhaps there should be a thumbs down emoji. Have already stated and debated my objections... Edited October 21 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
DUI_Offender Posted October 22 Report Posted October 22 6 hours ago, ExFlyer said: First of all, most indigenous do not work so you would be doing a lot of hanging out LOL The Asians work, pay taxes and support our community, not take from it and give nothing back in return. Actually, most Indigenous Canadians that live in the city do, indeed work. They may have a higher unemployment rate, but just as black people in the US, most of them do work. Have you ever worked at a job where the majority of the workplace is people born in a specific country, and don't even attempt to assimilate into Canada (follow their own customs, language, etc). I do not recommend it. They have no idea about Canadian culture, workplace laws, etc. If one is working at a place where the ratio is 3:1 in favor of people born in India or the Philippeans, the act as a gang. Try getting in a dispute with one of them. In Canada if someone harasses you, you stand up for yourself and tell the person to f**k off, and either it will be over, or at worst the person will hold a grudge against you. However, co-workers will respect you for being a man and standing up for yourself. When you are working at a place where the majority of people are from the same country, they are not used to democracy, and have a gang-like mentality. "You mess with one of us, you mess with ALL of us.: and they will literally try to drive you out of the workplace with harassment, and bullying. This is NOT Manilla or Delhi. These people should be respecting our rules, not the other way around. Quote
herbie Posted October 22 Report Posted October 22 I saw your reason. It failed to include any way they could have done what you wished and retained anything of their own culture. Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 22 Report Posted October 22 9 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: Actually, most Indigenous Canadians that live in the city do, indeed work. They may have a higher unemployment rate, but just as black people in the US, most of them do work. Have you ever ....... This is NOT Manilla or Delhi. These people should be respecting our rules, not the other way around. I have lived in several cities and most indigenous there are living in shelters or on the streets or in subsidized housing and do not work. This is my personal observation. I have worked with and lived with many other ethnic folks and found them very productive and appreciative of Canada. They are very proud to be Canadian and do what is nnecessary to not be a burden. They have a strong work ethic. Something that is not within the indigenous nature. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
ExFlyer Posted October 22 Report Posted October 22 (edited) 10 hours ago, herbie said: I saw your reason. It failed to include any way they could have done what you wished and retained anything of their own culture. Everyone can and does retain their own culture if they want. Millions of immigrants (and their offspring) do it every day in Canada. Besides, what "culture" do the indigenous retain, except for the dances they do for tourists? A culture of collecting welfare? Of sleeping on the streets? Of eating at free food places? Or Sleeping in shelters? Or being in prisons? Edited October 22 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Zeitgeist Posted October 22 Report Posted October 22 23 hours ago, herbie said: Oh FFS show us how politically ignorant your really are. Parrot rightwing dog whistles and buzzwords in ad hominem attacks as you can't even defend your own position. WTF does reconciliation have to do with Marxism or even any political philosophy? What? What is it really? That you're a selfish jerk jealous of anything someone else gets that you don't? That you're an outright bigot that hates natives? OR a wishful dreamer like Flyer who thinks that if you have a group with nothing and give them nothing they'll miraculously 'pull themselves up by their bootstraps' and become middle class? As if they should've saved up off welfare cheques and invested in Tesla and BitCoin? I think that the worst aspect of government treatment of Indigenous is demonstrated by views like yours.  That’s what’s really holding them back. 1 1 Quote
herbie Posted October 22 Report Posted October 22 5 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Besides, what "culture" do the indigenous retain, except for the dances they do for tourists? A culture of collecting welfare? Of sleeping on the streets? Of eating at free food places? Or Sleeping in shelters? Or being in prisons? If you're going out of your way merely to be offensive then you're doing a good job. 18 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: views like yours.  That’s what’s really holding them back. says the actual roadblock Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 22 Report Posted October 22 2 hours ago, herbie said: If you're going out of your way merely to be offensive then you're doing a good job. says the actual roadblock What is offensive? Facts are facts. Go to any downtown slum areas and you will see the majority are indigenous. Look in our prisons... the majority are indigenous (and don't give me they are picking on indigenous BS).. A person is in jail because they broke laws and were convicted...with evidence. Drugs and alcohol in indigenous communities is brought i by the indigenous and used by the indigenous and distriubuted by the indigenous...even in dry communities. No one in the community does anything about it and thy do not help the RCMP. You are blind to reality. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
herbie Posted October 23 Report Posted October 23 The "Facts" are offensive as they are neither facts or truths, they are repeating old redneck myths and stereotypes. You should be ashamed to repeat that shit. Quote
CdnFox Posted October 23 Report Posted October 23 23 minutes ago, herbie said: The "Facts" are offensive as they are neither facts or truths, they are repeating old redneck myths and stereotypes. You should be ashamed to repeat that shit. Sorry but they are facts and truths. Their offensive to you because they threaten your echo chamber talking points. And you're so invested in those that they formed a part of your own personality and who you are and your personal identity. So if they're threatened it's threatens you yourself. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 23 Report Posted October 23 (edited) 9 hours ago, herbie said: The "Facts" are offensive as they are neither facts or truths, they are repeating old redneck myths and stereotypes. You should be ashamed to repeat that shit. Look, if you do not like my facts.....debunk them. Here is another fact....you cannot. I am not ashamed of my observations, why should I? I see what I see.. The drug and alcohol problems on "reserves" and communities is a pure self inflicted problem. The elected/elders/chiefs or whatever do nothing to prevent it. The ones that should be ashamed are the ones allowing such observations. Their reputation is self earned. As I have said, in my career, I have been to many indigenous communities and lived in several cities and with only a few exceptions, my observations are correct. Edited October 23 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
CdnFox Posted October 23 Report Posted October 23 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:  I am not ashamed of my observations, why should I? I do love that they think you should be ashamed for seeing it, not for them doing it  Actually explains a lot of the problems in Canada 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 23 Report Posted October 23 (edited) 17 minutes ago, CdnFox said: I do love that they think you should be ashamed for seeing it, not for them doing it  Actually explains a lot of the problems in Canada LOL. The unfortunate thing is the defenders of indigenous behaviour will never get it. They are stuck on what happened 1, 2 or 3 hundred years ago and think we, todays Canadians ,are responsible for their massive and constant decent into their personal failure. The only ones that can change the public opinion of the indigenous is the indigenous themselves. Edited October 23 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
CdnFox Posted October 23 Report Posted October 23 55 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: LOL. The unfortunate thing is the defenders of indigenous behaviour will never get it. They are stuck on what happened 1, 2 or 3 hundred years ago and think we, todays Canadians ,are responsible for their massive and constant decent into their personal failure. The only ones that can change the public opinion of the indigenous is the indigenous themselves. I wonder if they are actually stuck, or if at this point it's become an industry that they're reluctant to give up. There is a hell of a lot of money to be made in victimization, but that does mean you must ensure that the victims remain victims in their own minds and that nothing gets solved Quote
herbie Posted October 23 Report Posted October 23 8 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Look, if you do not like my facts.....debunk them. Here is another fact....you cannot I do that daily just by venturing outside. Or around my coffee table where actual indigenous people are. Tell you a little secret: it took me years to realize the drunken bums mooching and being hauled away to the drunk tank were not "Indians". THEY"RE F*CKING DRUNKS. Alcoholics, kicked off the rez, no apartment to pass out in watching TV, no friends or relatives or agencies in the immediate area to take them in, just like the druggies you like to whine about. Most "white" drunks have an apartment or SRO to hide in. if you are in a big city, don't be lecturing the rest of us about indigienous culture from what goes on in the land of the lost. You're where the dregs of every culture ends up. Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 23 Report Posted October 23 (edited) 17 hours ago, herbie said: I do that daily just by venturing outside. Or around my coffee table where actual indigenous people are. Tell you a little secret: it took me years to realize the drunken bums mooching and being hauled away to the drunk tank were not "Indians". THEY"RE F*CKING DRUNKS. Alcoholics, kicked off the rez, no apartment to pass out in watching TV, no friends or relatives or agencies in the immediate area to take them in, just like the druggies you like to whine about. Most "white" drunks have an apartment or SRO to hide in. if you are in a big city, don't be lecturing the rest of us about indigienous culture from what goes on in the land of the lost. You're where the dregs of every culture ends up. Look, I have seen and have observed their behaviour. Call them drunks, alcoholics or whatever words you are choosing to use, they are the indigenous. They do not get kicked off the "rez" or out of the community for being drunk or taking drugs That is BS. I have not lived my life in "big cities". It is not only the big cities where this problem is, it is in their communities, on their "rez" in small towns and medium towns and all over. They have as many places to hide as any drunk or druggie. Yes, there are many many "white" drunks and they also get punished but, as I said, the majority in prisons are indigenous. Also I have many RCMP friends and acquaintances working in indigenous communities and around reservations. They see it all and it is a fact their alcohol and drug problem is endemic. No matter how hard you try to justify tor excuse heir behaviour and actions and activities, the fact is, it is them that are doing to themselves. Edited October 24 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
I am Groot Posted October 27 Author Report Posted October 27 There's a piece in the Telegraph commenting on Canada's present state of self-loathing about its history and natives. Good thing it's a British paper or the Liberals would be trying to shut them down for 'denialism'.  Though mistreatment of Indigenous Canadians occurred at these schools, as they did in reserve and non-native schools, records show that native people who attended Residential Schools had significantly lower mortality rates from infectious diseases than their peers who remained on reserve. Documentary evidence reveals that children were not removed from reserves without parental consent. Aspirational native parents sought to have such schools constructed and wanted their children to attend. Many who attended spoke positively of their experience. The evidence also does not back up accusations that the schools were designed to erase the culture of First Nations people. The charge that children were killed or placed in ‘mass graves’ by those who ran the schools has no basis in documentary or forensic records. Rather, it is based on selective oral testimony and ignores the considerable monetary and identity incentives shaping the narrative of plaintiffs, white progressive allies and well-paid lawyers. Recently, the Canadian government forked over a whopping $2.8 billion to atone for their claims. The notion that residential schools amounted to a form of ‘genocide’ is based on misinformation and an abuse of the English language, but this did not stop the entire political and media establishment endorsing the lie. Telling such truths is smeared as ‘denialism’ by woke elites, and zealots among them are trying to criminalize it.  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/27/canada-national-identity-conservatism-trudeau-death/ 2 Quote
paradox34 Posted October 27 Report Posted October 27 Native groups have had ample opportunity to join society yet insist upon "autonomy". Last time I checked autonomy implies self sufficiency and accountability. So why am I paying for everything? I have no respect or sympathy for so called "native groups". None! 2 Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 27 Report Posted October 27 1 hour ago, paradox34 said: Native groups have had ample opportunity to join society yet insist upon "autonomy". Last time I checked autonomy implies self sufficiency and accountability. So why am I paying for everything? I have no respect or sympathy for so called "native groups". None! Great response...but some just cannot understand that. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Army Guy Posted October 28 Report Posted October 28 23 hours ago, paradox34 said: Native groups have had ample opportunity to join society yet insist upon "autonomy". Last time I checked autonomy implies self sufficiency and accountability. So why am I paying for everything? I have no respect or sympathy for so called "native groups". None! Native groups are just one group that live on funding from the state, here in the Maritimes we have huge groups of people on Welfare,a lot of these people are generational welfare recipients, capable of working but refusing to because the government gives them tax dollars to stay at home and do nothing......I get it some people in Canada need a helping hand up, which is what Welfare is all about, but to actually live off welfare for generations, that's just pure laziness. Welfare offers hundreds of programs to get people off of welfare such as further education, job training, the list goes on and on... Time to shut this program down....if you've been on welfare for more than 2 or more years running it's time to find a real job....or maybe it is time to move and find a job some place... Â Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
DUI_Offender Posted October 28 Report Posted October 28 On 10/23/2024 at 11:10 AM, ExFlyer said: LOL. The unfortunate thing is the defenders of indigenous behaviour will never get it. They are stuck on what happened 1, 2 or 3 hundred years ago and think we, todays Canadians ,are responsible for their massive and constant decent into their personal failure. The only ones that can change the public opinion of the indigenous is the indigenous themselves. The last Residential School closed in 1996. Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 28 Report Posted October 28 6 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: The last Residential School closed in 1996. Yes and?? The American "Indians" still have residential type schools. The American "Indians" have become American citizens...the Canadian Iindigenous cannot seem to Another chance to read what someone else posted. spaceships and shoot people now! Suckers! Author Posted yesterday at 10:56 AM There's a piece in the Telegraph commenting on Canada's present state of self-loathing about its history and natives. Good thing it's a British paper or the Liberals would be trying to shut them down for 'denialism'.  Though mistreatment of Indigenous Canadians occurred at these schools, as they did in reserve and non-native schools, records show that native people who attended Residential Schools had significantly lower mortality rates from infectious diseases than their peers who remained on reserve. Documentary evidence reveals that children were not removed from reserves without parental consent. Aspirational native parents sought to have such schools constructed and wanted their children to attend. Many who attended spoke positively of their experience. The evidence also does not back up accusations that the schools were designed to erase the culture of First Nations people. The charge that children were killed or placed in ‘mass graves’ by those who ran the schools has no basis in documentary or forensic records. Rather, it is based on selective oral testimony and ignores the considerable monetary and identity incentives shaping the narrative of plaintiffs, white progressive allies and well-paid lawyers. Recently, the Canadian government forked over a whopping $2.8 billion to atone for their claims. The notion that residential schools amounted to a form of ‘genocide’ is based on misinformation and an abuse of the English language, but this did not stop the entire political and media establishment endorsing the lie. Telling such truths is smeared as ‘denialism’ by woke elites, and zealots among them are trying to criminalize it. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/27/canada-national-identity-conservatism-trudeau-death/  Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
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