Tightest Race Ever - despite ALL the insane goings on Harris and Trump are still within a hair's breath of each other. How is this happening?

[Deluge]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So according to the latest polls looking at the swing States Harris and Trump are so close you'd have a difficult time slipping a barbecued cat hair between them.

They are very well within the margin of errors in the swing states and can only be said to be in an absolute tie. It could go either way so easily it's not funny.

So what this is going to come down to is the getting out the vote. Unless something changes the party who gets their vote out will win.

How is this possible? There has been more going on in this election than any I can remember. There's been debates, candidates have fallen by the wayside, no less than two assassination attempts, elderly men have gone senile, cats have been eaten, foghorn Leghorn accents have been used, conventions have been held featuring giant IUD's and free abortions,  Hulk Hogan has taken an active roll to mobilize the Hulksters and still the two candidates are within 2% of each other or less nationally and in the swing states it's basically a dead heat.

 

So what's going to break this? Are we just going to have an absolute tie right up to the election day? There's no more debates except for the vice presidents, harris obviously isn't going to do any more interviews, trump may very well get shot at again but obviously it doesn't change the numbers, what's going to break this deadlock?

Honestly as I have said before I believe that trump has the advantage in a long game but it's amazing to watch how flat the poles are no matter what happens.

 

(also side prediction, the next attempt on trump will be a drone which will be able to get close enough because it's got an ' eat at Joe's" banner behind it ) 

Harris just lost the Teamsters union. It's not as close as people think it is. 

[Hodad]

4 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...such stupidity...such nativity. 

I've known and worked with numerous politicians and know they do not just step aside from power.

Politics is not the business of representing the electorate. It is the business of gathering power to one's self.

Don't be such a goof.

Suuuuure you have.

Biden is looking to his legacy. He was old and tired and not performing well. He doesn't want to be remembered as the man who held on too long and sold democracy down the river with a 2nd Trump term.

[gatomontes99]

38 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Yes, he absolutely did ask him to throw out the votes. And your lies won't change that. 

Quoting here step 3 of the Eastman coup plan which you can read for yourself. 

"At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States. That means the total number of "electors appointed" – the language of the 12th Amendment – is 454. This reading of the 12th Amendment has also been advanced by Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe. A "majority of the electors appointed" would therefore be 228. There are at this point 232 votes for Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected."

 

There is no legal mechanism to "suspend the certification." That's just a load of crap. The "investigations" were completed and every state has certified their electoral votes. 

Lie of omission

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Eastman later told The Washington Post he had advised Pence not to use the foundational tactic he spelled out in his own memo, telling him “not to act on the basis of the dueling electors”…because, as he told the Post, “at that point, no legislature had certified an alternative slate of electors.”

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/22/politics/trump-pence-election-memo-fact-check/index.html

You are using an alternate plan for a scenario that didn't happen.  Yes, Eastman had a plan for dueling electors. That is why they had alternate electors ready to go. Just in case. But the left makes up these wild conspiracy theories and runs around acting like that was reality when, in fact, they are just getting played by some permanent state actors.

[Hodad]

2 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Lie of omission

You are using an alternate plan for a scenario that didn't happen.  Yes, Eastman had a plan for dueling electors. That is why they had alternate electors ready to go. Just in case. But the left makes up these wild conspiracy theories and runs around acting like that was reality when, in fact, they are just getting played by some permanent state actors.

Again, you are a liar. They literally tried to deliver the alternate electors to Pence on the floor of the senate. On the floor of the farking US Senate! They tried. And Pence did not cave, despite immense pressure and a mob calling for his execution.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/21/jan-6-panel-trump-overturn-2020-election-00040816

A top aide to Sen. Ron Johnson attempted to arrange a handoff of false, pro-Trump electors from the senator to Mike Pence just minutes before the then-vice president began to count electoral votes on Jan. 6, 2021.

The aide, Sean Riley, told Pence’s legislative director Chris Hodgson that Johnson wanted to hand Pence lists of the fake electors from Michigan and Wisconsin for Pence to introduce during the counting of electoral votes that certified Joe Biden’s win. The attempt was revealed in text messages obtained by the Jan. 6 select committee during its fourth public hearing on Tuesday.

“Do not give that to him,” Hodgson replied.

The attempted handoff shows just how much former President Donald Trump and his allies tried to lean on Pence to introduce false slates of electors that could have thrown the 2020 election from Biden to Donald Trump. The committee laid out an intense pressure campaign, led primarily by Trump and his attorney Rudy Giuliani, to push state legislatures to appoint pro-Trump electors and override the will of voters in their states.

In video and live testimony, state legislative leaders in Pennsylvania, Arizona and Michigan — all Republicans — described repeated, sometimes daily pressure from Trump and his allies in the aftermath of the 2020 election. Michigan State Senate leader Mike Shirkey recalled in video testimony how, after Trump tweeted out his phone number, he received thousands of messages from Trump supporters asking him to appoint Michigan’s electors through the legislature.

Arizona State House speaker Rusty Bowers rejected similar pressure from Trump.

“You are asking me to do something that is counter to my oath,” he recalled saying.

 

[WestCanMan]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Poles tend to be reasonably good indicators during an election cycle. Especially as it moves into September when people start really paying attention.

In most elections the polls are fairly mobile. You can chart the impact of various events and timelines and trends. But with this it's really weird. And we're just about out of events that are likely to change people's minds or let them make up their minds.

We have seen this kind of thing before in Canada and usually when this kind of thing happens what you see is a wild Breakaway at the very end. The poles stay fairly neck and neck with little movement and then suddenly at the end people will gel and come down on one side or another. I feel like that favors trump, but for an election that has had so many events it's really strange how flat things are

In both of our last elections, the Liberals were supposed to get the popular vote and they never did. The 2016 election in the US was way off.

The 2020 election was the biggest fraud ever perpetuated on democracy, for all we know democracy is already over in the US. 

[Nationalist]

30 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

Powerful retort. 

 

 

And true...which is more than anyone can say about the crap you post.

[Nationalist]

30 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Suuuuure you have.

Biden is looking to his legacy. He was old and tired and not performing well. He doesn't want to be remembered as the man who held on too long and sold democracy down the river with a 2nd Trump term.

His legacy is already trashed and will be trashed even more.

Now you can explain how a 2nd Trump term would sell democracy down the river?

I'll wait...

[CrakHoBarbie]

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

And true...which is more than anyone can say about the crap you post.

Thank you Fredo.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=video&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiZ_eG_39GIAxXOJ0QIHZA5PC0QuAJ6BAgXEAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D2X9E9n6GHC8&usg=AOvVaw1gPrQgOHu7Bmav1enYQvG0&opi=89978449

[sharkman]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Ah yes, the conspiracy theory kooks are out in force. The secret info conspiracy! Classic. 

And no, sorry, but Trump absolutely attempted a coup. No US president in history has ever attempted to have his VP throw out certified votes and unilaterally--and illegally--declare him the president elect after losing an election. Never. 

Just another leftwing conspiracy theory…but coming from a brainwashed lefty what else can we expect?

[CrakHoBarbie]

6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

His legacy is already trashed and will be trashed even more.

Now you can explain how a 2nd Trump term would sell democracy down the river?

I'll wait...

Jesus...

Donald tried to retain power through illicit means.

That means that he's unfit for public office.

Do you understand,  Fredo?

[Nationalist]

Just now, CrakHoBarbie said:

Jesus...

Donald tried to retain power through illicit means.

That means that he's unfit for public office.

Do you understand,  Fredo?

Donald tried to expose Democrat cheating. Which they did.

Remember...Hunter's laptop turned out to be real...didn't it.

[West]

I imagine the pollsters are going to be off this time around again. Both candidates have some unusual alliances in this election

[WestCanMan]

Harris's only shot at winning is if the Demis can make one of their shots count. 

[Black Dog]

11 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Honestly, what's really there to hang one's hat on aside from polling? If the polls had Trump up by 20% in every state it would make sense. 

You live in a bubble, possibly literally.

[WestCanMan]

20 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

You live in a bubble, possibly literally.

Your mostly empty head is a cultist-level confirmation bias bubble, literally.

Regardless of the quality of evidence going into your head, only shit comes out of your mouth. 

[Black Dog]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

Your mostly empty head is a cultist-level confirmation bias bubble, literally.

Regardless of the quality of evidence going into your head, only shit comes out of your mouth. 

Why are you always thinking about shit, did you miss breakfast today?

 

[CrakHoBarbie]

3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Bullspit. She completed a coup when she, Obama and Hillary forced out Joe and installed her without any voter input.

Just an incredibly moronic contention. 

Donald attempted to stay in power through fraudulent means. Donalds admitted to doing so. His vice president admitted donald had asked him to break the law by certifying donalds fraudulent electors .

These are the facts.

You're just to stupid, ignorant, uneducated or profiting from it to admit it.

But thank you for your input Fredo.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=video&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiZ_eG_39GIAxXOJ0QIHZA5PC0QuAJ6BAgXEAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D2X9E9n6GHC8&usg=AOvVaw1gPrQgOHu7Bmav1enYQvG0&opi=89978449

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

His legacy is already trashed and will be trashed even more.

Now you can explain how a 2nd Trump term would sell democracy down the river?

I'll wait...

Nah, his legacy is a great recovery from the absolute disaster he inherited and some major long-term infrastructure and investment legislation. He's not Lincoln, but history will view him as a welcome and successful return to normal after the Trump debacle. 

And to the second point, returning to office a man who once already tried to illegally seize power and overthrow a democratic election is just giving him another chance to try again--with no reason to expect that he won't. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Harris's only shot at winning is if the Demis can make one of their shots count. 

Sure. Well, that and getting more votes.🙄 She is leading in most polls. 

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

I notice you didn't deny donalds a traitor because of his fake electors scheme.

 

It's pretty self evident. It was a silly comment to begin with. A traitor refers to someone who aids the enemy of their country to the detriment of their country. If trump gave state secrets to china and helped china work against America's interests that might be considered being a traitor.

So right off the bat what you're talking about isn't being a traitor. You just don't understand how words work.

If you felt that Donald was trying to illegally steal an election then the correct term would be usurper. He would be a usurper.  

u·surp·er

/yo͞oˈsərpər/

noun

1. a person who takes a position of power or importance illegally or by force.

    

   I get that you didn't consider your comment to be serious, and we're just looking for an opportunity to trash talk trump. But still, there's no reason in the world not to use the correct language even if you know that you're wrong to begin with.

Edited September 20, 2024 by CdnFox

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

Harris just lost the Teamsters union. It's not as close as people think it is. 

Well one thing that is true is that trump has regularly pulled lower than his actual results. Now if you dig into the numbers a bit that doesn't always mean that he's actually higher than the pole say, but he does seem to be able to get his vote out so his actual results are slightly higher than polling would suggest.

And that may wind up making all of the difference in this election. If people just aren't all that motivated to get out to vote for harris but they are motivated to get out for trump then even if it's a neck and neck tie in the polls trump is going to win

[CrakHoBarbie]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It's pretty self evident. It was a silly comment to begin with. A traitor refers to someone who aids the enemy of their country to the detriment of their country. If trump gave state secrets to china and helped china work against America's interests that might be considered being a traitor.

So right off the bat what you're talking about isn't being a traitor. You just don't understand how words work.

If you felt that Donald was trying to illegally steal an election then the correct term would be usurper. He would be a usurper.  

u·surp·er

/yo͞oˈsərpər/

noun

1. a person who takes a position of power or importance illegally or by force.

    

   I get that you didn't consider your comment to be serious, and we're just looking for an opportunity to trash talk trump. But still, there's no reason in the world not to use the correct language even if you know that you're wrong to begin with.

The word "traitor" certainly applies to donald:

Traitor-

a person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc.

But, i do concede, he is also an attempted usurper.

Thank you for your input Fredo.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=video&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwit0p6ngtKIAxW0EEQIHVEmIVoQuAJ6BAgUEAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D2X9E9n6GHC8&usg=AOvVaw1gPrQgOHu7Bmav1enYQvG0&opi=89978449

Edited September 20, 2024 by CrakHoBarbie

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, sharkman said:

Just another leftwing conspiracy theory…but coming from a brainwashed lefty what else can we expect?

Dude, you can TRY to pretend that, but it just makes it clear that you're uninformed. The Trump coup attempt is well documented. He and his cronies have been indicted federally and in 4 states for the scheme. You can read the plan and most of the evidence for yourself, you know, if you wanted to understand what actually happened.

2 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

The word "traitor" certainly applies to donald:

Traitor-

a person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc.

But, i do concede, he is also an attempted usurper.

Thank you for your input Fredo.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=video&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwit0p6ngtKIAxW0EEQIHVEmIVoQuAJ6BAgUEAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D2X9E9n6GHC8&usg=AOvVaw1gPrQgOHu7Bmav1enYQvG0&opi=89978449

Certainly a traitor. He's betrayed 2 out of 3: friends and country.  And it would surely be 3 of 3 if he ever had any principles to betray. 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

Don't be stupid. Nobody had any power to "force" Biden out

Of course they did. And by all accounts Pelosi was the one who drove the final stake through the vampire's heart. 

If I point a gun at your head and say give me your wallet, I may not actually be forcing you to take your hand put it on your wallet and give it to me, but I am still applying force to cause you to do that. Biden was threatened heavily and was forced to step down against his wishes. 

And now someone who has never won a single primary vote in her life is running for president,  not because the dems wanted her but BECAUSE THE PARTY OFFICIALS DIDN"T THINK BIDEN COULD WIN. 

So they launched a little coup, threw him out of power, slapped in a back up and went at it again. 

Trump should  never have agreed to the debate before the nomination.  That move might cost him the election. They clearly were test driving biden to see if he could make it through the campaign and the answer was no, so they swapped him out. 

[Legato]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Of course they did. And by all accounts Pelosi was the one who drove the final stake through the vampire's heart. 

If I point a gun at your head and say give me your wallet, I may not actually be forcing you to take your hand put it on your wallet and give it to me, but I am still applying force to cause you to do that. Biden was threatened heavily and was forced to step down against his wishes. 

And now someone who has never won a single primary vote in her life is running for president,  not because the dems wanted her but BECAUSE THE PARTY OFFICIALS DIDN"T THINK BIDEN COULD WIN. 

So they launched a little coup, threw him out of power, slapped in a back up and went at it again. 

Trump should  never have agreed to the debate before the nomination.  That move might cost him the election. They clearly were test driving biden to see if he could make it through the campaign and the answer was no, so they swapped him out. 

Biden was the bald tyre on the Demowagon. Pelosi got the jack and the rest took turns winding it up. They then replaced it with the donut.