Russian Money to Fuel Right-wing Propoganda Flowing to Canadians

[BeaverFever]

45 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No, it isn't. They've had a handful of dealings with the Russians, and pretty much every other country out there in fact.  Really only one or two people that were sort of close to trump kind of had any real connections and that's nothing 

Business people and political parties are going to talk to people from other countries. Guaranteed. That doesn't make them 'lousy' with them. 

The FBI spent years and dozens of people trying to find any 'russian collusion' that would be inappropriate or illegal and none was ever found.  And the only reason THAT happened was because the democrats lied and created a fake 'russian dossier' to try to frame trump and trigger an investigation to bring him down.  Which was pathetic. 

These "russians"...  are they in the room with you right now?

1) Not a handful. 

2) What other countries’ unregistered foreign agents weee infiltrating the NRA and conservative think tanks and media outlets?

3) What other countries’  agents were the likes of Flynn and Manafort receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars from?

4) what other countries did the Trump campaign meet with to negotiate the release of Hillary’s hacked emails?

5)what other country’s intelligence operatives did they lie about meeting with?

6) what other countries infiltrated the NRA paid millions to Christian conservative interest groups who agreed to lobby on their behalf?

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

What are you trying to say it was only a little bit of subversion so it’s ok?  While there’s no evidence Russians had anything to do with Trump’s attempt to take over the Capitol and stealing the election they were definitely rooting for him and would have benefited from it immensely. Fortunately for us Trump was a failure as a seditious traitor just as he was a failure as a president and as a businessman. 

The whole world is suffering right now because of Biden. 

Are you f'ing kidding me right now, dummy?

Europe is at war because of Joe Biden. He was pushing the idea of NATO in Ukraine ever since the 2000s, and that's why Russia is at war you f'ing tool.

Israel is at war because Biden unleashed a flood of money on Iran, which went directly to terrorists all over the world. 

Not only is Israel at war, but terrorist groups have had a field day attacking American bases in the ME an nothing had been done about it. Americans were even killed. Still nothing happens. The US is just a punching bag for terrorists now, and Democrats are openly cheering for the terrorists. 

You're such a stupid piece of sh1t I can't even believe it. 

 

You named a bunch of people who were persecuted by the FBI, and subsequently prosecuted, AND NONE OF THEM WERE FOUND GUILTY OF COLLUDING WITH RUSSIA TO INFLUENCE THE 2016 ELECTION, DIPSHIT!!!!!!!!

You're such a worthless, lying piece of shit. 

You have had YEARS to sort this out, and you're still lying.

NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF COLLUDING WITH RUSSIA IN THE 2016 ELECTION, AND YOUR LIST DOESN'T EVEN SAY THAT THEY WERE.

The only connection between those people and actual Russian collusion, is that THE FBI TRIED TO COERCE FALSE TESTIMONY FROM THOSE PEOPLE ABOUT RUSSIAN COLLUSION IN EXCHANGE FOR REDUCED PRISON SENTENCES!!!! They did, didn't they? And you know it, because I told you before and you never even tried to deny it. 

[Five of swords]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

Influence ≠ rule

So...what is the difference, exactly?

 

If you found out that everything your 'trusted sources' tells you is actually a lie, would you change any of your opinions about anything?

 

If the answer is no, then you are a fool. If the answer is yes, then democracy is media rule.

[TreeBeard]

24 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

So...what is the difference, exactly?

You need me to post the usage of the two words?  You don’t know that they mean different things?

25 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

If you found out that everything your 'trusted sources' tells you is actually a lie, would you change any of your opinions about anything?

Your statement assumes I believe everything from a particular source.  I can believe some things and not others from the same source.  

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3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Uh-huh. Oh yeah. Like, fer sure, eh? I'm totally serious.

IIRC, Vladaimir Putin almost won the GOP primary in 2020.

Also, there were a bunch of Russians who worked with the shady GOP lawyer guy, Michael Sussman, to get bogus intel to the FBI for a show trial against a prominent politician in the opposition party.

Yeah, they basically tried to take over the capitol and plant a Russian flag there. That's well-known within the CNN community.

Oh no, not at all. 

I was at the GOP primary, and we opened with this:

It was glorious, komrade.

Oh no way. I know about all of the evidence. Are you kidding me?

I can name every single American who was indicted for - and found guilty of - collusion-related crimes, the exact crime they committed, and how long they were sentenced for. It's right here:

1.  

See? You didn't think I had the whole laundry list of criminals, but there it is.

Oh wait, there actually was one guy convicted for collusion related criminality:

1. Kevin Clinesmith: one count of making a Felony False Statement. He got a 1 yr bar suspension. Clinesmith was a lawyer for the FBI who lied to a FISA court judge in order to renew a license to spy on Trump and his associates. 

That's the only actual evidence of the only actual crime that was known to be committed regarding the CNN/Demi Russian collusion farce.

Sorry collusion boy. I know that you really had high hopes for that post, but you should have listened to Van Joneswhen he admitted that "Russian collusion is just a big nothingburger" right at the beginning of the show trial. 

 

Just out of curiosity, do the GOP also commit crimes with the Chinese? I read something about a prominent GOP family that received over $11M from their partners in the Chinese gov't, which they tried to hide by bringing it home through an assortment of 20-some-odd shell companies. I forget the guy's name, but that's ok, because he also forgets his name 😉

Sorry dummy, but I know I'm not the only person who bullies you. It's just so eeeeeasy!

 

The way WestKremlinMan spend an hour working on this rebuttal, his Russian handlers will be very pleased with him.

54 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The whole world is suffering right now because of Biden. 

Are you f'ing kidding me right now, dummy?

Europe is at war because of Joe Biden. He was pushing the idea of NATO in Ukraine ever since the 2000s, and that's why Russia is at war you f'ing tool.

Israel is at war because Biden unleashed a flood of money on Iran, which went directly to terrorists all over the world. 

Not only is Israel at war, but terrorist groups have had a field day attacking American bases in the ME an nothing had been done about it. Americans were even killed. Still nothing happens. The US is just a punching bag for terrorists now, and Democrats are openly cheering for the terrorists. 

You're such a stupid piece of sh1t I can't even believe it. 

 

You named a bunch of people who were persecuted by the FBI, and subsequently prosecuted, AND NONE OF THEM WERE FOUND GUILTY OF COLLUDING WITH RUSSIA TO INFLUENCE THE 2016 ELECTION, DIPSHIT!!!!!!!!

You're such a worthless, lying piece of shit. 

You have had YEARS to sort this out, and you're still lying.

NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF COLLUDING WITH RUSSIA IN THE 2016 ELECTION, AND YOUR LIST DOESN'T EVEN SAY THAT THEY WERE.

The only connection between those people and actual Russian collusion, is that THE FBI TRIED TO COERCE FALSE TESTIMONY FROM THOSE PEOPLE ABOUT RUSSIAN COLLUSION IN EXCHANGE FOR REDUCED PRISON SENTENCES!!!! They did, didn't they? And you know it, because I told you before and you never even tried to deny it. 

Settle down there, Cowboy.

We already know that you have been compromised by Russian propaganda. No need to get so defensive.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

What are you trying to say it was only a little bit of subversion so it’s ok?  While there’s no evidence Russians had anything to do with Trump’s attempt to take over the Capitol and stealing the election they were definitely rooting for him and would have benefited from it immensely. Fortunately for us Trump was a failure as a seditious traitor just as he was a failure as a president and as a businessman. 
 

First of all what stupid ass doesn’t understand is that Russians infiltrated and influenced Republican organizations and propaganda outlets at large not just the Trump campaign.  Your cult didn’t provide you with any memorized talking points to mindlessly repeat about anything except the Mueller invest naturally that’s all you’ll acknowledge here.

 

Second of all lots of people were convicted for collusion-related activities:

 

• Former Trump 2016 campaign chairman Paul Manafort: Sentenced to 7.5 years in prison this March for bank and tax fraud and crimes related to his work as a political consultant for the Russian regime in Ukraine.

 

• Trump's former personal attorney Michael Cohen: Received a three-year prison sentence in Dec. 2018 for tax evasion, bank fraud, lying to Congress and campaign finance violations.

 

• Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos: Convicted of lying to investigators about about Russian contacts. He served 12 days in prison and in October, filed to run for former Rep. Katie Hill's California seat.

 

• Dutch attorney Alex van der Zwaan:Pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators about his work for law firm Skadden, Arps, Meagher, & Flom LLP and Affiliates in 2012. He was sentenced to 30 days in prison and a $20,000 fine. 

 

• Ex-Trump campaign deputy chairman Rick Gates: Pleaded guilty in Feb. 2018 to conspiracy and lying to the FBI. After cooperating extensively in multiple investigations, Gates was sentenced in December to 45 days in jail, three years of probation and 300 hours of community service.

 

• Roger Stone: Sentenced to 40 months in prison for crimes that include obstruction of justice, lying to Congress and witness tampering. A federal jury convicted Stone after he lied to Congress about his efforts to learn more about when WikiLeaks would publish damaging emails about Hillary Clinton during the 2016 presidential election.

 

• Former national security adviser Michael Flynn: The retired three-star general pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI in Dec. 2017. 

In addition to 26 Russian nationals including Maria Butina and Konstantin Kilimnik. 

 

For more than 25 years, a large swath of the GOP has enjoyed mutually rewarding relationships with Russian operatives.

https://newrepublic.com/article/165782/republicans-putin-history-relationship-manafort
 

 

How Putin's oligarchs funneled millions into GOP campaigns

Campaign finance reports show troubling connections between a group of wealthy donors with ties to Russia and their political contributions to Trump and top Republican leaders
 

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/05/08/how-putin-s-oligarchs-funneled-millions-into-gop-campaigns/?outputType=amp

 

Senate Report Reveals NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/27/765037952/senate-report-reveals-nra-was-foreign-asset-to-russia-ahead-of-2016
 

As for all your China Biden conspiracy nonsense that all was debunked when the the failed Durham investigation and the failed Republican impeachment inquiry (“we don’t know what he might have done but we’re going to try and impeach him anyway”)  couldn’t find anything. 

You realize you've proved yourself wrong don't you?

YOUR claim - republicans are riddled with russians

Paul - not part of the republican gov't. Just trump's campaign -zero influence outside of that Strike one

Mike - nothing to do with russia at all.  Strike two. 

George - did nothing wrong with russians, not in gov't just the campaign.  Strike three

Alex - not even an american!! Nothing to do with this which proves you don't even read the crap you post. 

Gates - nothing to do with russia Strike 5 i believe?

Flynn - got in trouble for his work with TURKEY.  Not russia. 

 

 

So there you go. 

 

You know how i know that YOU know you're wrong? You just randomly post crap in large print that has nothing to do with proving your case but you think if you do it in enough volume somehow it'll be convincing anyway even tho there's nothing there 

So to recap, a couple of guys who worked on trump's camapign got tricked into lying to the fbi only one of whom actually did anything wrong.

Meanwhile we've got tonnes more evidence that biden actually was on the take and his son was peddling influence and you were fine  with that

Spare me your hypocrisy. 

 

[Five of swords]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

You need me to post the usage of the two words?  You don’t know that they mean different things?

Your statement assumes I believe everything from a particular source.  I can believe some things and not others from the same source.  

You obtained a world view from school/media/high status peers and then you accept whatever info, true or false, which confirm that view and reject all ibfo that contradict it. That is how 99% of humans construct their epistemology.

 

And that is why media and education basically control public opinion. No different from advertising.

[CdnFox]

55 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

You obtained a world view from school/media/high status peers and then you accept whatever info, true or false, which confirm that view and reject all ibfo that contradict it. That is how 99% of humans construct their epistemology.

Construct their Epistemology?  LOL - that's it kid, one more time and i'm taking that word of the day calendar away from you entirely   

56 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

And that is why media and education basically control public opinion

You said people get their world view from school/media/high status peers.  Media is only one of those things. 

So media according to you doesn't control public opinion, it's one element of it at best. 

We need to go over some basic reason and logical debate things moving forward

[Five of swords]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Construct their Epistemology?  LOL - that's it kid, one more time and i'm taking that word of the day calendar away from you entirely   

You said people get their world view from school/media/high status peers.  Media is only one of those things. 

So media according to you doesn't control public opinion, it's one element of it at best. 

We need to go over some basic reason and logical debate things moving forward

People who aren't severely retarded would recognize that people who control media have the same ideology as people who control education. Amd high status peers are more often than not people who have been successful financially, and being successful financially typically requires conforming to the state ideology.

[ExFlyer]

14 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Then why have the rightwing commentators bing funded come out and said they were the victims if there wasn’t evidence?

 

Mr Rubin, who boasts 1.5 million followers on X, said his show on Tenet ended months ago, and that he had not been contacted by the justice department. "I and other commentators were the victims of this scheme," he wrote concerning the allegations. "I knew absolutely nothing about any of this fraudulent activity."

I will say this to you once again. I do not know what is so difficult to understand? Has nothing to do with right wing or left wing or no wing. Propaganda to influence has been going on and is going on all the time to influence people from everything to what paper to use to wipe you ass to your politics LOL

Look, be realistic.

At what point in communication history has there not been someone trying to influence others?

Be it voice, song written ratio, tv or now the web?

If this thread is narrowed down to only politics, at what point in Canadian history has there not been one form of propaganda or influence peddling for political parties or candidates?

The conspiracy theory is one that the Russians are behind this. It could be Chinese,  Iranian, Tongolese, American ,Mexican, it could be disgruntled citizens, it could be the political; parties themselves.

 

[WestCanMan]

11 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

 

The way WestKremlinMan spend an hour working on this rebuttal, his Russian handlers will be very pleased with him.

Settle down there, Cowboy.

We already know that you have been compromised by Russian propaganda. No need to get so defensive.

It might have taken you a few hrs to do that, it took me two minutes. Most of it was just sarcasm ffs.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Five of swords said:

People who aren't severely retarded would recognize that people who control media have the same ideology as people who control education. Amd high status peers are more often than not people who have been successful financially, and being successful financially typically requires conforming to the state ideology.

LOL well considering you've previously said you're not as smart as a retarded person, i guess we can see why you didn't realize that you just shot your own argument in the foot    What you're saying is it's not just the media. They have an influence but they're only one of several.  The fact that some of those other influences may or may not have a similar ideology isn't relevant. 

So as has been pointed out to you the media is only one of a group of factors which controls people's opinions. So no, the media does not control elections. They can influence elections for sure but that doesn't end democracy nor does it stop people from finding out the truth on their own by looking at other sources.

[Five of swords]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

LOL well considering you've previously said you're not as smart as a retarded person, i guess we can see why you didn't realize that you just shot your own argument in the foot    What you're saying is it's not just the media. They have an influence but they're only one of several.  The fact that some of those other influences may or may not have a similar ideology isn't relevant. 

So as has been pointed out to you the media is only one of a group of factors which controls people's opinions. So no, the media does not control elections. They can influence elections for sure but that doesn't end democracy nor does it stop people from finding out the truth on their own by looking at other sources.

Retarded people often struggle with reading comprehension

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Five of swords said:

Retarded people often struggle with reading comprehension

Yes we've noticed that about you

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Five of swords said:

Retarded people often struggle with reading comprehension

That's why leftists here frequently post links to articles that debunk their own BS. 

[Army Guy]

On 9/11/2024 at 5:57 PM, eyeball said:

Is Russia getting rid of their publicly funded broadcaster?

I'm not aware of political parties anywhere else in the world promising to rid their countries of public broadcasters. Why is it only in Canada that you find this moral panic?

 

 

Yes because Russia's media , produces so much unbiased news content and can be equally compared to the CBC....right..

There is no threat to get rid of anyone, just stopping tax dollars from funding them....Can CBC or other Canadian media survive without government handouts ? and why would that be a bad thing ?...

Are you afraid of missing out on the CBC radio broadcast on the 3 hour chat on the wild wheat seed story during that long drive across the prairies..or how about a 2 hour long broadcast on the mating habits of the atlantic salmon...

[NAME REMOVED]

Just now, Army Guy said:

Yes because Russia's media , produces so much unbiased news content and can be equally compared to the CBC....right..

There is no threat to get rid of anyone, just stopping tax dollars from funding them....Can CBC or other Canadian media survive without government handouts ? and why would that be a bad thing ?...

Are you afraid of missing out on the CBC radio broadcast on the 3 hour chat on the wild wheat seed story during that long drive across the prairies..or how about a 2 hour long broadcast on the mating habits of the atlantic salmon...

^ This is a prime example of a poster who has been compromised by Russian propaganda.

Don't be like Army Guy. Post wisely, and practice critical thinking skills. 

[Army Guy]

4 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

^ This is a prime example of a poster who has been compromised by Russian propaganda.

Don't be like Army Guy. Post wisely, and practice critical thinking skills. 

You make me laugh, this coming from a guy that has a proven record on this forum of having superior critical thinking skills...Is that why you changed your name to DUI offender, that's some critical thinking skills right there...

[Michael Hardner]

17 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

^ This is a prime example of a poster who has been compromised by Russian propaganda.

Don't be like Army Guy. Post wisely, and practice critical thinking skills. 

Pretty much.  

[NAME REMOVED]

37 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

You make me laugh, this coming from a guy that has a proven record on this forum of having superior critical thinking skills...Is that why you changed your name to DUI offender, that's some critical thinking skills right there...

That is called being honest, and wanting to deter others from mistakes that can have very real negative consequences.  You are also imagining things. I registered as DUI_Offender.  The Mods can confirm.

You would not understand, since you are a traitor, who would sell out his own mother for a bite to eat.

Edited September 14, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

and why would that be a bad thing ?...

Canadians would be just about the only modern people on Earth that are entirely dependent on private corporate owned and funded broadcasters for our news.

And you think the news is slanted now? 

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Are you afraid of missing out on the CBC radio broadcast on the 3 hour chat on the wild wheat seed story during that long drive across the prairies..or how about a 2 hour long broadcast on the mating habits of the atlantic salmon..

I'm concerned there'd be little to counter the amount of corporate and right wing conservative gas lighting so many people up.

I'd rather see the government spend some money educating people about the importance of maintaining their bullshit filters.

Kind of like teaching people the importance of catching their own fish instead of being supplied with them.

 

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Pretty much.  

Awww mikey, did he offend those 'right wing conservative' sensibilities of yours?   

Sad to see you've gone from calling people chuds to  'paid russian misinformants'.  I guess  that's to be expected as you descend into the depths of woke ideology. 

 

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Canadians would be just about the only modern people on Earth that are entirely dependent on private corporate owned and funded broadcasters for our news.

And you think the news is slanted now? 

I'm concerned there'd be little to counter the amount of corporate and right wing conservative gas lighting so many people up.

I'd rather see the government spend some money educating people about the importance of maintaining their bullshit filters.

Kind of like teaching people the importance of catching their own fish instead of being supplied with them.

 

 

KINSELLA: Jewish journalists outraged by CBC's pivot from journalism to activism

KINSELLA: Jewish journalists outraged by CBC's activism | Toronto Sun

 

 

the news can be as slanted as it wants to be.  But we shouldnt' be paying  for it

[Army Guy]

20 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

That is called being honest, and wanting to deter others from mistakes that can have very real negative consequences.  You are also imagining things. I registered as DUI_Offender.  The Mods can confirm.

You would not understand, since you are a traitor, who would sell out his own mother for a bite to eat.

good on you....to bad you can't be honest with the rest of your conversations, I guess your honest only when it suits you...

I'll take back what i said about you being another poster...that was my bad assuming anything about you...

 

[Army Guy]

18 hours ago, eyeball said:

Canadians would be just about the only modern people on Earth that are entirely dependent on private corporate owned and funded broadcasters for our news.

And you think the news is slanted now? 

I'm concerned there'd be little to counter the amount of corporate and right wing conservative gas lighting so many people up.

I'd rather see the government spend some money educating people about the importance of maintaining their bullshit filters.

Kind of like teaching people the importance of catching their own fish instead of being supplied with them.

 

 

CBC is a private traded business, that relies on government funding to give its EXC's big bonus while letting employees go.... does that sound worthy of our tax dollars...We do not fund other media outlets to the extent we fund CBC why is that....Did the government float your fishing or charter business? 

CBC is getting better , but yes i think their coverage is slanted towards the left side. But Thats not my issue, as a company you can slant to a degree whatever you want, there are plenty of other media out lets out there...it is the use of taxpayer dollars that is my complaint. 

Would not be an issue if the liberals had maintained a center approach...leaving out a good portion of the population...where there is a demand there will be a supply....

Do you really think the majority of Canadians want to be educated on anything...would you say those hard core Liberals are voting becasue they are educated on the issues or they are voting for party lines because they have done so for decades...

We live in a fast food period of time when we want what we want "now" , not later, no time for education, they believe what they are being told...no time left in their day to educate themselves...everything else is false news...