Joe Biden claims those who support kidnapping and likely rape of Israeli women and elderly people "have a point"

[West]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-says-dnc-anti-israel-agitators-have-point-rips-trump-not-worthy-oval-office

What a demented fool. The party of terrorist sympathizers. Sad

[Chrissy1979]

Why do you think right-wingers are so stupid, you can tell them anything and they'll believe it?

[Nationalist]

7 minutes ago, West said:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-says-dnc-anti-israel-agitators-have-point-rips-trump-not-worthy-oval-office

What a demented fool. The party of terrorist sympathizers. Sad

Hey...they surrendered to the Taliban...

[Deluge]

3 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Why do you think right-wingers are so stupid, you can tell them anything and they'll believe it?

No, we won't believe it, but good question, Chwissy. 

[Rebound]

3 hours ago, West said:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-says-dnc-anti-israel-agitators-have-point-rips-trump-not-worthy-oval-office

What a demented fool. The party of terrorist sympathizers. Sad

That’s not what he said. 
You know, all we need to do is quote Trump directly, word for word, and its idiocy. You clowns keep inventing new twists and lies about what people said.  
 

Do pro-Palestinian protesters have a point? Yes, of course they do.  Duh.  Of course they’re trying to get a point across.  

[ironstone]

10 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Do pro-Palestinian protesters have a point? Yes, of course they do.  Duh.  Of course they’re trying to get a point across.  

What I get from those protesters is that they want Israel wiped off the map. No two state solution, no Jews...at all.

If that ever comes to fruition, a lot of progressives will be thrilled.

[WestCanMan]

The Demis have to pander to the terrorist sympathizers because they can't have their own pro-terrorist faction rioting at their convention. 

They're trying to walk the fine line between "From the river to the sea, we love gen❤️cide/we loved Oct 7th" and "We're the adults in the room". 

[Hodad]

40 minutes ago, ironstone said:

What I get from those protesters is that they want Israel wiped off the map. No two state solution, no Jews...at all.

If that ever comes to fruition, a lot of progressives will be thrilled.

That really is complete fiction. You've simply made it up whole cloth. 

Conflating the bad actions of the Israeli government with the Jewish people is as misplaced as conflating the bad actions of Hamas with the Palestinian people. 

Most people are people, just trying to get along and live their lives. 

 

[West]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

That’s not what he said. 
You know, all we need to do is quote Trump directly, word for word, and its idiocy. You clowns keep inventing new twists and lies about what people said.  
 

Do pro-Palestinian protesters have a point? Yes, of course they do.  Duh.  Of course they’re trying to get a point across.  

The war would've ended last October had they released the hostages. 

20 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The Demis have to pander to the terrorist sympathizers because they can't have their own pro-terrorist faction rioting at their convention. 

They're trying to walk the fine line between "From the river to the sea, we love gen❤️cide/we loved Oct 7th" and "We're the adults in the room". 

Imagine those radical loons having a say over America. 

[ironstone]

48 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Conflating the bad actions of the Israeli government with the Jewish people is as misplaced as conflating the bad actions of Hamas with the Palestinian people. 

Any normal person wouldn't compare the actions of the IDF with those of Hamas.

And the people of Gaza knew full well what they were voting for in 2006. And 2006 was the last time elections were held in Gaza.

[West]

13 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Any normal person wouldn't compare the actions of the IDF with those of Hamas.

And the people of Gaza knew full well what they were voting for in 2006. And 2006 was the last time elections were held in Gaza.

Not to mention the flag burning and death to America chants

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

What I get from those protesters is that they want Israel wiped off the map. No two state solution, no Jews...at all.

If that ever comes to fruition, a lot of progressives will be thrilled.

That is a point, isn’t it? 
I don’t agree with it, but it is a point.  
 

There are some other points in the dialog, such as, “Netanyahu has allowed West Bank settlers to indiscriminately steal land and even murder Palestinians with impunity.”  and there is the point, “I question Netanyahu’s sincerity in his ceasefire negotiations when he adds additional, new conditions after nine months of negotiations.”

I’m a very strong supporter of Israel, but that doesn’t mean I will agree with everything her leaders do. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

Any normal person wouldn't compare the actions of the IDF with those of Hamas.

And the people of Gaza knew full well what they were voting for in 2006. And 2006 was the last time elections were held in Gaza.

Indeed, the IDF has killed something along the lines of 30x as many people--about half of them women and children. The difference in scale is enormous. 

No doubt that it's difficult to make a comparison.

[ironstone]

[ironstone]

2 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Indeed, the IDF has killed something along the lines of 30x as many people--about half of them women and children. The difference in scale is enormous. 

No doubt that it's difficult to make a comparison.

Some people simply cannot comprehend the difference between collateral damage and the deliberate targeting of civilians.

Some people refuse to accept the fact that Hamas hides among civilians, in hospitals, schools, mosques.

[Hodad]

9 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Some people simply cannot comprehend the difference between collateral damage and the deliberate targeting of civilians.

Some people refuse to accept the fact that Hamas hides among civilians, in hospitals, schools, mosques.

Hamas is bad. Would you kill 15,000 children to get a few of the Hamas baddies? If that's who the "good guys" are it's pretty clear that there are no good guys in this tragic story. 

 

 

 

[West]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Hamas is bad. Would you kill 15,000 children to get a few of the Hamas baddies? If that's who the "good guys" are it's pretty clear that there are no good guys in this tragic story. 

 

 

 

The Democrats are building a coalition of terrorist sympathizers. That should really alarm anybody. 

[ironstone]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Hamas is bad. Would you kill 15,000 children to get a few of the Hamas baddies? If that's who the "good guys" are it's pretty clear that there are no good guys in this tragic story. 

By your standard, the allies were the bad guys in WW2 because they killed more civilians than the Axis powers did.

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

By your standard, the allies were the bad guys in WW2 because they killed more civilians than the Axis powers did.

You are completely FOS--both in terms of your "analogy" and in terms of your history.

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Why do you think right-wingers are so stupid, you can tell them anything and they'll believe it?

Ahhhh whataboutism. How did the dems survive before it  

[ironstone]

16 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You are completely FOS--both in terms of your "analogy" and in terms of your history.

I should have stated it more specifically. More German civilians died than their British counterparts. More Japanese died than Americans.

You seem to be holding the IDF to a vastly different standard than any other army when it comes to civilian casualties, AKA collateral damage.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

Hamas is bad. Would you kill 15,000 children to get a few of the Hamas baddies?

Because they're in front of the baddies. 

And 15,000 children haven't been killed in gaza or anywhere close to that.  So you're ok with them continuing till they hit that number right? 🙄

And they have to kill the baddies because if they don't the baddies will come kill THEIR children again, and why would they allow that?

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

I should have stated it more specifically. More German civilians died than their British counterparts. More Japanese died than Americans.

You seem to be holding the IDF to a vastly different standard than any other army when it comes to civilian casualties, AKA collateral damage.

No, we've absolutely seen armies attack civilian populations before, displacing them killing tens of thousands. Modern history has many such examples. You can find them if you look up "ethnic cleansing."

To Israel's small credit, they have, after intense intentional pressure, dramatically slowed the wanton murder. But the race to 40,000 was a sprint. 

[ironstone]

32 minutes ago, Hodad said:

To Israel's small credit, they have, after intense intentional pressure, dramatically slowed the wanton murder. But the race to 40,000 was a sprint. 

Do you not acknowledge the longstanding practice of Hamas in using their own people as human shields? Or that they frequently operate in schools, mosques, and hospitals?

[Hodad]

5 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Do you not acknowledge the longstanding practice of Hamas in using their own people as human shields? Or that they frequently operate in schools, mosques, and hospitals?

Yes, Hamas does all of that. They are terrorists. They are bad. 

Terrorists frequently take hostage based on the assumption that unlike the bad guys, "the good guys" value innocent human life enough to avoid killing the hostages. I guess Israel really showed them.