Young Canadians left jobless amid influx of cheap foreign workers

[August1991]

On 8/14/2024 at 5:06 PM, DUI_Offender said:

It's happening. I work at a manufacturing plant that has been taken over by a certain ethnic group. Canadian born Caucasians are the enemy (unless it is the owner or manager). The new Canadians don;t respect Canadian laws or our way of life, taking in their language, and sticking to their own kind.

Keep in mind, this excludes Ukrainians, as they are assimilating. I'm taking about all the Asians coming in here. They only know one thing- the iron fist. It's sad, really. The only way they listen, is if we use our size, and get in their faces. Otherwise they would push us all around.

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Exclude Ukrainians? Assimilating?

In the 1890s, North America had its greatest population growth. Immigration ratio to native born.

I visited the Kissing Post. Have you?

[August1991]

If you look at the data, people lose jobs because of "technology" and "foreign trade".

Bank tellers and ATMs.

Dishwashers at $600 rather than $7000.

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 8/14/2024 at 2:42 PM, CdnFox said:

Young Canadians left jobless amid influx of foreign workers | Financial Post

Youth unemployment at highest level in over a decade outside of COVID-19 pandemic

 

Entry-level jobs for students and recent graduates are much harder to find as the economy weakens, yet the country has also imported hundreds of thousands of temporary foreign workers for jobs, many of them in the food and retail sectors.

 

This is not new, though much worse these days. I had a high paying research position at a prestigious research institute many years ago. Then it comes a guy from China who wasn't even a citizen and was my student when I had a temporary teaching position at  a nearby university. Those Chinese newcomers work like donkeys and have doctorate degrees like the poop out of donkeys. The institute decided to retain him at the end of two year trial period and I was let go.

Is this democracy? Not sure. Is it competition? Well I can't compete against over 2 billion Chinese/Indians hundreds of thousands with doctorate degrees. Is it fair? Definitely not/

Edited August 17, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015

[I am Groot]

On 8/14/2024 at 3:35 PM, Michael Hardner said:

I'm sure there's an economic case for TFWs in Fast Food.  But people should generally understand it and support it, in a democracy.

I studied Economics and Business, and while I generally get what a rationale might be... I don't have a good feeling about it.

 

The real question is... why doesn't the public understand that program and see any benefit whatsoever?

Our Public Sphere is ailing...

There is benefit in isolated industries like agriculture, and perhaps fish processing. Also for the odd highly skilled individuals. There is none for unskilled labour unless your own citizenry are all involved in much better-paying jobs.

On 8/14/2024 at 4:39 PM, herbie said:

They're busy spreading the myth of "Cheap foreign workers" as being "paid less" and exempt from any labour laws.
It's not the fact some employers rip them off, but the myth govt lets them so they don't have to hire locals.

And as for the farm workers, you now pay 5X more for a handful of berries than we got for picking a whole flat back in high school. Go find THE young local student that would work for that. KFC and McDonalds here has trouble finding them at $17.40 an hour. My own kid did 11 years at 7-11 asst manager and worked her way to almost as much as I earned when she was f*cking born.
We gave preference to any kid who's resume included a couple years at MsDonalds as that meant they knew how to eat shit and that j-o-b and f-u-n are totally different things.

You get that the situation is way different in just the last five to ten years, right?

[I am Groot]

On 8/14/2024 at 5:06 PM, DUI_Offender said:

F**k Trudeau for not sticking with the time tested "allow 1% of the current population- 400,000 to come in, 

Time tested? What the hell are you even talking about? Our immigration was about 86k until the mid 1980s when Mulroney was convinced immigrants would become lifelong Tories if he let them in. He increased immigration to about 225k. It never rose much above that until Trudeau got in. And even at that level it was too high for us to integrate, as a report from Immigration Canada back in 2017 demonstrated. 

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-canada-struggling-to-absorb-immigrants-internal-report-says

[herbie]

46 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

You get that the situation is way different in just the last five to ten years, right?

Yeah. More and more people think they are paid less than others.

[Guest]

On 8/14/2024 at 5:06 PM, DUI_Offender said:

It's happening

Am not surprised.

After covid, is was nearly impossible for me to hire young Canadian workers.

I had many interviewees pushing for remote work. Even after applying for jobs posted that were in office, or warehouse, etc. Many others would scoff at the salary offer from the job ads I posted, demanding 10 to 20k more a year for an entry level position.

Hired two  who literally ghosted the day of hire or others the day prior who would make up a bogus alibi (like a broken down car, even though public transit could get them to work in less than 30 minutes), strongly pushing for remote work.

I had never experienced anything like this. Of course, these were people milking the eco system, of employers being brought to their knees, begging workers. 

My last ditch attemps, were interviews where strong lists of demands were made on salary (again--ranges posted in ads, but the most demanding were the least experienced), and many other things, and was blindsided.

I, among many clients of mine who own businesses mentioned their difficulties with young Canadian workers.

They can't be reprimanded with constructive criticism anymore, being the top gripe. Many would just quit.

So I turned to immigrant workers.

Every single hire, worked hard. Humble. Heck, too hard even. Had to tell a couple hires that they needed to take it easy  that they were legally entitled to breaks and lunch times. Something they likely weren't used to back home.

Every single interviewee. Showed up. On time, no less. 

I personally pay above average market averages.

They just seemed like more reliable employees, who actually wanted to work. 

I have never looked back, and hundreds of my clients, either.

Maybe there are teeth to the fact there is an increase to immigrant workers as a factor. I know this, as am seeing them everywhere now.

But I would be willing to bet that the demand for these workers, is self inflicted from many of those young Canadian workers.

I was also one of those employers brought to their knees, forced to look for means of paying and supporting immigrants wanting to come here, vs the headache of hiring locally.

Now they are getting what I like to call, a subtle dose of humble pie. Of course, many of these people genuinely want to work, but some created a demand for foreign workers. Seeing how well foreign workers work, I don't see them going anywhere. 

Edited August 19, 2024 by Perspektiv

[NAME REMOVED]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Am not surprised.

After covid, is was nearly impossible for me to hire young Canadian workers.

I had many interviewees pushing for remote work. Even after applying for jobs posted that were in office, or warehouse, etc. Many others would scoff at the salary offer from the job ads I posted, demanding 10 to 20k more a year for an entry level position.

Hired two  who literally ghosted the day of hire or others the day prior who would make up a bogus alibi (like a broken down car, even though public transit could get them to work in less than 30 minutes), strongly pushing for remote work.

I had never experienced anything like this. Of course, these were people milking the eco system, of employers being brought to their knees, begging workers. 

My last ditch attemps, were interviews where strong lists of demands were made on salary (again--ranges posted in ads, but the most demanding were the least experienced), and many other things, and was blindsided.

I, among many clients of mine who own businesses mentioned their difficulties with young Canadian workers.

They can't be reprimanded with constructive criticism anymore, being the top gripe. Many would just quit.

So I turned to immigrant workers.

Every single hire, worked hard. Humble. Heck, too hard even. Had to tell a couple hires that they needed to take it easy  that they were legally entitled to breaks and lunch times. Something they likely weren't used to back home.

Every single interviewee. Showed up. On time, no less. 

I personally pay above average market averages.

They just seemed like more reliable employees, who actually wanted to work. 

I have never looked back, and hundreds of my clients, either.

Maybe there are teeth to the fact there is an increase to immigrant workers as a factor. I know this, as am seeing them everywhere now.

But I would be willing to bet that the demand for these workers, is self inflicted from many of those young Canadian workers.

I was also one of those employers brought to their knees, forced to look for means of paying and supporting immigrants wanting to come here, vs the headache of hiring locally.

Now they are getting what I like to call, a subtle dose of humble pie. Of course, many of these people genuinely want to work, but some created a demand for foreign workers. Seeing how well foreign workers work, I don't see them going anywhere. 

What a bunch of BS. 

 

You just want cheap labour, and people who are unfamiliar with Canadian labour laws to exploit them. Imagine calling all Canadian-born young people slackers. You are part of the problem, by trying to paint young hard working Canadian-born people as "deadbeats" and "troublemakers."

You should be ashamed.

 

Edited August 19, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[Guest]

3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

You should be ashamed.

Not in the slightest. 

3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

You just want cheap labour, and people who are unfamiliar with Canadian labour laws to exploit them.

You assume a lot.

That businesses are deliberately breaking the law, by refusing to advise employees of their rights.

Or paying much lower, than industry standards, potentially illegally. Canada (where am from), has high standards regarding labor laws. You're also not going to attract anyone paying lower than others. This should be common sense.

What you're stating is personal, and literally isn't quantifiable regarding statistics and any data.

It is in an employers best interests to follow the law and regulations, or wind up paying heavy handed fines and the public embarrassment that would ensue. Its literally incentivised in law. This, on top of leaving yourself open for litigation. 

If you were an entrepreneur, you would know that.

3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

trying to paint young hard working Canadian-born people as "deadbeats" and "troublemakers."

You're trying to play politics, vs look at the statistics that don't really care for your feelings.

I am not painting an entire demographic, but rather pointing to a growing trend. Where is that trend stated, incorrect?

Obviously its not all, but you're ignoring the data that showcases this was happening, creating the demand to begin with.

3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

What a bunch of BS. 

Aside from playing politics, where is it BS? You're unable to quantify this, so move to playing politics to deflect from what has been happening in our markets, lately.

If you're inexperienced and my McDonald's branch pays 22 an hour. Competition in fast food, averages out at 15 an hour. I offer benefits, vacations that accumulate every year--to you this is exploitation. 

To an employer, 22 an hour to flip burgers in a market that typically pays you 15, is someone willing to pay top dollar for the very best employees.

If said employee didn't do their research, and feels they are owed 39 dollars per hour, when this would be what an engineer is paid as a starting salary, how is this employer discriminating in moving to someone else?

[ExFlyer]

On 8/17/2024 at 3:53 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

This is not new, though much worse these days. I had a high paying research position at a prestigious research institute many years ago. Then it comes a guy from China who wasn't even a citizen and was my student when I had a temporary teaching position at  a nearby university. Those Chinese newcomers work like donkeys and have doctorate degrees like the poop out of donkeys. The institute decided to retain him at the end of two year trial period and I was let go.

Is this democracy? Not sure. Is it competition? Well I can't compete against over 2 billion Chinese/Indians hundreds of thousands with doctorate degrees. Is it fair? Definitely not/

There is competition is everything.  There is no such thing as tenure except in university teaching. (and some unonon jbs such as public service and auto workers lol) .You snooze, you lose.

Are you implying that the best person for the job should not be hired??

Is that fair? Yes, best person for the job is always fair

[ExFlyer]

5 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Am not surprised.

After covid, is was nearly impossible for me to hire young Canadian workers.

I had many interviewees pushing for remote work. Even after applying for jobs posted that were in office, or warehouse, etc. Many others would scoff at the salary offer from the job ads I posted, demanding 10 to 20k more a year for an entry level position.

Hired two  who literally ghosted the day of hire or others the day prior who would make up a bogus alibi (like a broken down car, even though public transit could get them to work in less than 30 minutes), strongly pushing for remote work.

I had never experienced anything like this. Of course, these were people milking the eco system, of employers being brought to their knees, begging workers. 

My last ditch attemps, were interviews where strong lists of demands were made on salary (again--ranges posted in ads, but the most demanding were the least experienced), and many other things, and was blindsided.

I, among many clients of mine who own businesses mentioned their difficulties with young Canadian workers.

They can't be reprimanded with constructive criticism anymore, being the top gripe. Many would just quit.

So I turned to immigrant workers.

Every single hire, worked hard. Humble. Heck, too hard even. Had to tell a couple hires that they needed to take it easy  that they were legally entitled to breaks and lunch times. Something they likely weren't used to back home.

Every single interviewee. Showed up. On time, no less. 

I personally pay above average market averages.

They just seemed like more reliable employees, who actually wanted to work. 

I have never looked back, and hundreds of my clients, either.

Maybe there are teeth to the fact there is an increase to immigrant workers as a factor. I know this, as am seeing them everywhere now.

But I would be willing to bet that the demand for these workers, is self inflicted from many of those young Canadian workers.

I was also one of those employers brought to their knees, forced to look for means of paying and supporting immigrants wanting to come here, vs the headache of hiring locally.

Now they are getting what I like to call, a subtle dose of humble pie. Of course, many of these people genuinely want to work, but some created a demand for foreign workers. Seeing how well foreign workers work, I don't see them going anywhere. 

Well said an very real.

The jobs are there band as I said and got down votes for, immigrants take the low paying jobs because young people seem, for whatever reason, think they are worth more,

[Michael Hardner]

I'm trying to square this with several young people I know, out of university, unable to even get an interview for anything including manual labor.

[PIK]

On 8/14/2024 at 6:30 PM, Goddess said:

The trucking industry is having big problems with a certain ethnic group, too.

And are very dangerous drivers.

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm trying to square this with several young people I know, out of university, unable to even get an interview for anything including manual labor.

That's where the money is in trades. But kids don't want to get dirty.

[NAME REMOVED]

17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm trying to square this with several young people I know, out of university, unable to even get an interview for anything including manual labor.

Probably because they are not immigrants. 

[Michael Hardner]

24 minutes ago, PIK said:

 

That's where the money is in trades. But kids don't want to get dirty.

They can't get into those either.

[ExFlyer]

5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

What a bunch of BS. 

 

You just want cheap labour, and people who are unfamiliar with Canadian labour laws to exploit them. Imagine calling all Canadian-born young people slackers. You are part of the problem, by trying to paint young hard working Canadian-born people as "deadbeats" and "troublemakers."

You should be ashamed.

 

Fact is, the jobs out there are very much in line with Canadian labour laws and if not, please show how they are breaking the labour laws.

Fact is, some jobs pay exactly what they are. worth...low.

Fact is, there are jobs but your so called "hard working young people" are not wanting to work so, the immigrants take the jobs and the "hard working young people" live with and off their parents.

 

[ExFlyer]

24 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

They can't get into those either.

Really? There are "trades" and trade unions crying for workers.

Problem is that new tradesmen start at the bottom and that seems to be beneath today's youth so they do not apply.

Some young folks think far too much of themselves and do not want to start at the bottom.

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Really? There are "trades" and trade unions crying for workers.

Problem is that new tradesmen start at the bottom and that seems to be beneath today's youth so they do not apply.

Some young folks think far too much of themselves and do not want to start at the bottom.

I think this conversation would be helped by detail, unfortunately, I have none to offer about my friends who are looking for work.

I will reiterate that generalizations about a generation really are unprovable and unfalsifiable.

But it's so natural for people to do this. They even have a generation called... Get this.... The greatest generation.

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We have to close the borders. These new Canadians are driving down wages, and hard working native Canadians are getting the shaft.

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

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Are you implying that the best person for the job should not be hired??

Is that fair? Yes, best person for the job is always fair

No, I am saying that Canadian-born or long time Canadian citizens should be given priority for jobs in Canada.

[NAME REMOVED]

16 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

No, I am saying that Canadian-born or long time Canadian citizens should be given priority for jobs in Canada.

Amen.

This is the way it should be. 

28 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Really? There are "trades" and trade unions crying for workers.

Problem is that new tradesmen start at the bottom and that seems to be beneath today's youth so they do not apply.

Some young folks think far too much of themselves and do not want to start at the bottom.

This is false

 Many people are dying to get into trades, but cannot.

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

They can't get into those either.

the kids were simply told that going to University was the path to a good job

when in reality a bachelors degree is just the new high school diploma, everybody has one

it's like I know this immigrant from Africa, and he's a jack of all trades contracting wise

but in Africa, he qualified for all this white collar related stuff at some school over there

thinking that when he came to Canada, he would need that sort thing,

but to his surprise, his office work skills are worthless,

but he's making all sorts of money doing contractor work on houses

the wealthy people with the houses are looking for cheaper immigrant labour

thing is, it's not like he went to some trade school in Africa

he says that in Africa, you have to learn how to fix your own house,  your own car, etcetera

reading how to do it in a book, then  just doing it

because  you can't afford to hire someone else to do it in Nigeria

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

We have to close the borders.

I think what you would find is that the government is not even able to do it

Canada suffers from a severe lack of state capacity

governance in Canada is so absurdly bureaucratic,

that it can no longer produce results even if / when it decides it needs to do something

furthermore, they've now demonstrated to the world how easy it is to bypass the process as an "asylum seeker"

the you have to factor in the entirely left wing Progressive activist judiciary

in that, the courts in Canada would prevent the government from cracking down on immigration

so the rate at which the government could remove immigrants would be dwarfed by the numbers arriving

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

No, I am saying that Canadian-born or long time Canadian citizens should be given priority for jobs in Canada.

Aha... it is OK for an unqualified or lesser qualified person to get the job if they are Canadian born or long time Canadian (whatever that is LOL).

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

This is false

 Many people are dying to get into trades, but cannot.

https://www.skilledtradesontario.ca/?https%3A%2F%2Fwww_skilledtradesontario_ca%2F%3Futm_medium=ad&gad_source=1

Laborours, a step to the trades, are needed on every job.