The Democrat Party has become a lie machine. What a degradation!

[Reg Volk]

1 hour ago, CouchPotato said:

He meant he will fix the problems so that it won't be necessary for them to vote next time around. You don't like to vote, but we need your help this time.

Everyone in the audience understood that.

You know why I think people on your side don't. Because they really, really don't want to. They are so locked in. And I understand it. I've seen our side locked in like this before. The big concern is not that Trump will be a terrible tyrant. That's not what really scares the left. They are scared he won't be a tyrant. They are scared their team will be wrong. That is more important.

Well said.

This whole fearmongering thing is so 2016.  "He's going to be a tyrant."  "He wasn't the last time he was in power".  "Yeah but that's all we got so we're going to go with it even though it didn't work last time either".  So lame.

[gatomontes99]

 

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, herbie said:

Did Kamala DO something and claim she didn't? Did she not do something and claim she did?
That's why lies are.

Like every f*cking word spewing from the Fat Orange Failure'S mouth?

It's weird that you would run your mouth like that to me, knowing that you're gonna get spanked again, little boy.

1. My post said the MSM is saying those things, not Kamala herself. Learn to read you illiterate twerp.

2. Name a Trump lie as big as "no inflation", Russian collusion, 'gentle giant', safe and effective, etc, etc... You can't. You've got "20 droplets of rain in 17 minutes".

It's hilarious that you're backing the mainscum media while simultaneously calling Trump a liar. You're completely out of touch with reality.

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C'mon TrashCanMan stand up straight you're spilling garbage all over the place.

Buddy, you are the garbage that just spilled onto the page.

And FYI, here's the CBS claim: https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/donald-trump-kamala-harris-minnesota-freedom-fund-donation/

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Trump claims Harris helped raise millions and personally donated to a fund that got extra support to bail out protestors in the aftermath of George Floyd's death.

1. For sure Harris did help raise millions for a fund that bailed out rioters.

2. CBS's article doesn't cite a time when Trump blamed Kamala for donating her own money (not that it's better that she didn't: she just asked other people to give money and gave nothing herself. It's even more pathetic than if she actually practiced what she preached)

 

Here's their Trump spiel:

Quote from CBS regarding Trump: "Trump claims Harris helped raise millions and personally donated to a fund that got extra support to bail out protestors in the aftermath of George Floyd's death.

Part 1 of that is totally true. Trump did make that claim, and it was 100% accurate. The bail fund that Kamala was pimping raised more than $30M in 2020. Part 2 of that is a straw man argument: Trump didn't say how she helped them bail that guy out, just that she helped them bail him out, and she quite clearly did help them bail him out, and many others. 

"One of the dangerous criminals Kamala helped bail out of jail was Shawn Michael Tillman," Trump said at a rally in Charlotte, North Carolina. "You know that name. A repeat offender who, with Harris's help, was set free. He then went on to murder a man on a train platform in St. Paul, Minnesota, shooting him in cold blood six times, lying on the ground."

Another true claim, by the way.

[WestCanMan]

So it's just like I said: not even  @robosmith, @Rebound, @herbie, are trying to go along with the mainscum media's that Kamala didn't bail out violent rioters.

They're trying to pretend that I accused Kamala of denying it, and I never said that it was her that denied it. 

All of these weasels here know that ther mainscum media is lying about Kamala 24/7 and they're happy as clams about it. 

[WestCanMan]

6 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

I absolutely did. I went into that thread. I spoke with myata. I outlined reasons why I don't trust the Democrats. myata, simply dismisses them and anyone who possibly sees things differently as liars.

That's all that leftards can do is accuse others of being liars. They can't try to name the lies because when they do they get put in their place.

One of the main things that leftards like to call a "lie" around here is Trump's claim that it didn't rain during his inauguration speech. They'll say "OMG at least twenty droplets fell in 17 minutes: it was a deluge!"

They compare that 'lie' to lies like "Russian collusion", mostly peaceful protests, gentle giants, just buying Skittles, safe and effective vax, kids need a vax, Trump referred to immigrants as animals, the laptop is Russian disinformation, no inflation, Joe is mentally fit, Trump isn't fighting covid, Cuomo is a covid hero, it's ridiculous to say that the Dems cheated on the 2020 election, J6 is comparable to 9/11 and Pear Harbour, etc.

Leftards did nothing but lie and incite riots for the past 10 years - absolutely nothing - and their refrain is "conservatives lie". It's gaslighting on an epic scale. It's their only move.

[Hodad]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It's weird that you would run your mouth like that to me, knowing that you're gonna get spanked again, little boy.

1. My post said the MSM is saying those things, not Kamala herself. Learn to read you illiterate twerp.

2. Name a Trump lie as big as "no inflation", Russian collusion, 'gentle giant', safe and effective, etc, etc... You can't. You've got "20 droplets of rain in 17 minutes".

It's hilarious that you're backing the mainscum media while simultaneously calling Trump a liar. You're completely out of touch with reality.

Buddy, you are the garbage that just spilled onto the page.

And FYI, here's the CBS claim: https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/donald-trump-kamala-harris-minnesota-freedom-fund-donation/

1. For sure Harris did help raise millions for a fund that bailed out rioters.

2. CBS's article doesn't cite a time when Trump blamed Kamala for donating her own money (not that it's better that she didn't: she just asked other people to give money and gave nothing herself. It's even more pathetic than if she actually practiced what she preached)

 

Here's their Trump spiel:

Quote from CBS regarding Trump: "Trump claims Harris helped raise millions and personally donated to a fund that got extra support to bail out protestors in the aftermath of George Floyd's death.

Part 1 of that is totally true. Trump did make that claim, and it was 100% accurate. The bail fund that Kamala was pimping raised more than $30M in 2020. Part 2 of that is a straw man argument: Trump didn't say how she helped them bail that guy out, just that she helped them bail him out, and she quite clearly did help them bail him out, and many others. 

"One of the dangerous criminals Kamala helped bail out of jail was Shawn Michael Tillman," Trump said at a rally in Charlotte, North Carolina. "You know that name. A repeat offender who, with Harris's help, was set free. He then went on to murder a man on a train platform in St. Paul, Minnesota, shooting him in cold blood six times, lying on the ground."

Another true claim, by the way.

Blaming Harris for ^^this is even dumber than blaming a bail bondsman when someone out on bail commits a crime. That's just the nature of the bail system.

People on bail sometimes commit crimes. Judges do their best to assess that risk, but it happens.

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

That's all that leftards can do is accuse others of being liars. They can't try to name the lies because when they do they get put in their place.

One of the main things that leftards like to call a "lie" around here is Trump's claim that it didn't rain during his inauguration speech. They'll say "OMG at least twenty droplets fell in 17 minutes: it was a deluge!"

They compare that 'lie' to lies like "Russian collusion", mostly peaceful protests, gentle giants, just buying Skittles, safe and effective vax, kids need a vax, Trump referred to immigrants as animals, the laptop is Russian disinformation, no inflation, Joe is mentally fit, Trump isn't fighting covid, Cuomo is a covid hero, it's ridiculous to say that the Dems cheated on the 2020 election, J6 is comparable to 9/11 and Pear Harbour, etc.

Leftards did nothing but lie and incite riots for the past 10 years - absolutely nothing - and their refrain is "conservatives lie". It's gaslighting on an epic scale. It's their only move.

Hey, look, your regular list of false claims while simultaneously ranting about lying. As predicted, I still see you've got "no inflation" In the list still, despite knowing full well that you are lying. Or, perhaps you simple forgot to remove it from the obsessive list of fictional grievances that you copy and paste to spam the board.

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Blaming Harris for ^^this is even dumber than blaming a bail bondsman when someone out on bail commits a crime. That's just the nature of the bail system.

People on bail sometimes commit crimes. Judges do their best to assess that risk, but it happens.

Lol...I wonder if you'd think the same if an illegal out on bail raped and murdered your wife?

Edited August 2, 2024 by Nationalist

[CouchPotato]

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

Blaming Harris for ^^this is even dumber than blaming a bail bondsman when someone out on bail commits a crime. That's just the nature of the bail system.

It's really nothing like that at all. A bail bondsman does not pay a violent person's bail for them or encourage others to do it.

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People on bail sometimes commit crimes. Judges do their best to assess that risk, but it happens

Glad you noticed. That's probably why it's a bad idea for politicians to weigh in on the justice system like this and campaign to raise bail money for violent protestors.

[Hodad]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...I wonder if you'd think the same if an illegal out on bail raped and murdered your wife?

Would I be mad at the bail bondsman? Of course not. See above. That's just stupid. 

[reason10]

Trump asked Russia on live TV to release Hillary’s emails and he promised that they would be “greatly rewarded” for doing so.   Sounds like collusion to me.  

That's because you are stupid and dishonest. That statement has NOTHING to do with his getting elected and you have ZERO facts to back up that lie.

The Jan 6 rioters rioted because Trump held the rally, falsely insisted the election had been stolen, and then excoriated the rioters to stop the steal.

That is a LIE and you are a LIAR. The election WAS stolen. Trump requested National Guard presence and NAzi Pelosi canceled that order. She is responsible for ANTIFA leading the charge of Capitol Hill.

You !DIOT. There were a HALF A MILLION  PEOPLE at that rally. Had Trump asked them to RIOT, they would have burned down Capitol Hill and either killed or put most of Congress in the hospital. Trump would be KING of America today.

You and the rest of your NAzi goons are such LIARS.

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, CouchPotato said:

It's really nothing like that at all. A bail bondsman does not pay a violent person's bail for them or encourage others to do it.

Glad you noticed. That's probably why it's a bad idea for politicians to weigh in on the justice system like this and campaign to raise bail money for violent protestors.

Lolwut? Yes, the primary function of a bail bondsman is to put up bail money for those eligible for bail (for a fee). That's the entire ridiculous industry that has formed around the ridiculous notion of cash bail. 

[User]

30 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Would I be mad at the bail bondsman? Of course not. See above. That's just stupid. 

Be mad at the liberals running the city / county who have sanctuary policies where they knew he was an illegal and didn't tell ICE so he would not be deported... 

Be mad at the liberals running the border that don't care that anyone shows up and says the magic word "asylum" so they just ferry them on in, ship them to your town, and then don't care when they abscond from their asylum hearing and stay illegally...

But you know all this, you just don't care that people are killed as long as you can get your open borders policies. 

[CouchPotato]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Lolwut? Yes, the primary function of a bail bondsman is to put up bail money for those eligible for bail (for a fee). That's the entire ridiculous industry that has formed around the ridiculous notion of cash bail. 

Yes, that's an industry. You have to pay them back.

That is a lot different from a politician encouraging people to donate to cover the bail of protestors.

One is a business. It is not personal. They are not making a declaration of support for their clients, and they do not claim to represent the public at large. Kamala does represent the public.

Edited August 2, 2024 by CouchPotato

[Hodad]

34 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Yes, that's an industry. You have to pay them back.

That is a lot different from a politician encouraging people to donate to cover the bail of protestors.

Yes, a non-profit bail fund and a for-profit bail bondsman are not identical entities. That tautologically true. But also irrelevant to the topic. And, BTW, in either case, the conditions are the same for "getting paid back." The state returns bail to anyone who makes their court appearances. 

In either case, the courts determine bail eligibility and amount. Whether bail funds are from a non-profit or for-profit (or private) entity, those entities don't have any responsibility for determining eligibility or for what happens afterward. That's a ludicrous thought process. If you want to protest against the idea of bail, and the idea that a person is innocent until proven guilty, have at it. But the people putting up bail money didn't create that system. 

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, Hodad said:

Blaming Harris for ^^this is even dumber than blaming a bail bondsman when someone out on bail commits a crime. That's just the nature of the bail system.

People on bail sometimes commit crimes. Judges do their best to assess that risk, but it happens.

Harris is the one who pimped a bail fund to get rioters back on the streets. She is 100% to blame for that. She is an ignorant little racist child.

Mainscum media are the ones who lied about Trump's criticism of Harris. I've been pretty specific about all of that. 

And when the MSM lies, don't forget that they're working for the Demis, not for Americans. 

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, Hodad said:

Hey, look, your regular list of false claims while simultaneously ranting about lying. As predicted, I still see you've got "no inflation" In the list still, despite knowing full well that you are lying. Or, perhaps you simple forgot to remove it from the obsessive list of fictional grievances that you copy and paste to spam the board.

Hey look at you, doing exactly what I said you'd do: attacking other people and calling them liars instead of naming lies.

FYI "zero inflation" was a lie when Biden said it. The real "inflation" rate - the one that economists and journalists and citizens have talked about ever since the first edition of the NYPost came - out was at almost 9% that month. It was SKY HIGH.

No one ever cites "month over month inflation". It's like the citing the price of gas in the US as dollars per litre. That way, when gas is at $4/Gal, you can say "Gas was only at $1.00 today! The last time Trump cited his gas prices he said that they were at $2!" It was a calculated, tricksy little lie. 

[Hodad]

29 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Harris is the one who pimped a bail fund to get rioters back on the streets. She is 100% to blame for that. She is an ignorant little racist child.

Mainscum media are the ones who lied about Trump's criticism of Harris. I've been pretty specific about all of that. 

And when the MSM lies, don't forget that they're working for the Demis, not for Americans. 

As always, you are dishonest. It was not a "bail fund to get rioters back on the streets." It's just a bail fund. People accused of all kinds of things, large and small, can receive bail. It exists to protest the preposterous notion that a cash bail system represents any kind of justice. And in Harris's case, she explicitly promoted the fund to support protestors, not "rioters." 

Edited August 2, 2024 by Hodad

[User]

3 minutes ago, Hodad said:

As always, you are dishonest. It was not a "bail fund to get rioters back on the streets." It's just a bail fund.

A bail fund being used to get rioters back on the streets. 

So, your big argument is that Harris is too stupid and incompetent to understand that the things she promotes are being used for those engaged in illegal activity?

Protestors do not need bail because protestors are not breaking the law and getting arrested. The people out breaking the law, engaged in vandalism, violence, and property destruction were getting arrested. 

Of course, you are a coward hiding from me still... so you won't see this or respond. 

[Hodad]

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Hey look at you, doing exactly what I said you'd do: attacking other people and calling them liars instead of naming lies.

FYI "zero inflation" was a lie when Biden said it. The real "inflation" rate - the one that economists and journalists and citizens have talked about ever since the first edition of the NYPost came - out was at almost 9% that month. It was SKY HIGH.

No one ever cites "month over month inflation". It's like the citing the price of gas in the US as dollars per litre. That way, when gas is at $4/Gal, you can say "Gas was only at $1.00 today! The last time Trump cited his gas prices he said that they were at $2!" It was a calculated, tricksy little lie. 

You are lying and you know it's a lie. Biden said there was zero inflation in July 2022. Indeed, there was zero inflation in July 2022. I gave you the CPI link. I pasted the screenshot for those too lazy to click and read. You KNOW that you're lying. You just don't care. 

[impartialobserver]

All politicians lie... Therefore both parties lie. 

[CouchPotato]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

In either case, the courts determine bail eligibility and amount. Whether bail funds are from a non-profit or for-profit (or private) entity, those entities don't have any responsibility for determining eligibility or for what happens afterward. That's a ludicrous thought process.

The point is not whether the bail comes from a for-profit or non-profit entity. The point is that she is neither. She is a politician who represents the public. She has a legal right to support the non-profit. People also have the right to question her suitability as a leader after donating money to help protestors who were breaking the law. That's why it's not the same.

[Hodad]

18 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

The point is not whether the bail comes from a for-profit or non-profit entity. The point is that she is neither. She is a politician who represents the public. She has a legal right to support the non-profit. People also have the right to question her suitability as a leader after donating money to help protestors who were breaking the law. That's why it's not the same.

Okay, so then maybe don't say this: "It's really nothing like that at all. A bail bondsman does not pay a violent person's bail for them or encourage others to do it."

But you're right, Harris is neither. She didn't pay anyone's bail. She supports reform of the broken cash bail system and advocated for an organization aligned to that mission. She supports civil rights protests and supported a cause aligned to that. Do you ACTUALLY have any interest in debating the virtue of the bail system. Is she right or wrong on the topic? 

And, BTW, the arrested are accused of breaking the law. They are innocent until proven otherwise. That's the basic fact that underlies the notion of release on bail.

You're welcome to debate her on the issues, but it's just stupid to try and blame her for something some guy did while out on bail. The number of logical fallacies it takes to get to that kind of blame is absurd. 

Edited August 2, 2024 by Hodad

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

Would I be mad at the bail bondsman? Of course not. See above. That's just stupid. 

An illegal alien should not be out on bail...any of these illegals wind up on court, need to be deported. That falls to the FA and the judge.

I suspect you know that too and thus try to redirect responsibility to a simple bail bondsman.

Lame...

 

[CouchPotato]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Okay, so then maybe don't say this: "It's really nothing like that at all. A bail bondsman does not pay a violent person's bail for them or encourage others to do it."

It was poorly articulated. The point is he isn't just paying for it. He makes money. He is not supporting a certain cause. And he is not running for office--- presumably??

I mean you can argue about Harris' views on bail reform. I don't think that has any relationship as to why she donated to the Minnesota non-profit. What she did here was to support a fund bailing out a left wing group of protestors. She has every right to. Maybe you even think it is a good thing. A lot of people might not.

If Pierre Poilievre were to, let's say, provide some sort of financial support to the legal benefit of people from the freedom convoy, this would become a Liberal talking point overnight.