Ten Reasons To Rethink Mass Immigration To Canada

[carepov]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

That's an awful lot of charts. But perspective changes when we fill up our car or go to buy groceries. There is a housing shortage. There are serious issues with health care, specifically long wait times and way too many people without a family doctor. 

We have had mass immigration for a long time, so if it's so beneficial, why do we still have these chronic issues?

Multiculturalism is another can of worms.

Yes, we are humans and have perspectives.

-We are wired to see problems/threats over opportunities/rewards by about 10 to 1.  If our pre-historic ancestors missed a threat they died.  

-Rewards make us happy and losses make us sad.  Again the ratio is about 10 to 1.  If winning a $100 gives you a +5 in happiness points, loosing $10 will give you -5 points.

-We quickly get used to rewards then those rewards become the new normal.  For example, if you get a Christmas bonus of $500 per year for 3 years, then on year 4 you get $400, you will feel like you lost $100.

-We are always comparing ourselves to others.

This is why our perspectives are often wrong.

Per hour worked gas, groceries and almost all basic necessities are cheaper now than in the past.

We have always had issues with health care and always will.  Other countries without mass immigration also have these issues.

[Nefarious Banana]

1 hour ago, PIK said:

People are not as happy as they used to be. To much stress, jyst to stay afloat. We need a pause on immigration ,refugees and such, and clean up the mess. Populations will be dropping around the world, but not in N.A.  N.A is going to become a cess pool.

Major factor . . . . young people just don't have the enthusiasm that was prevalent in the  '50's to the early '90's.  Nothing to look forward to, to make life plans, family, etc.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, carepov said:

Check this out from https://humanprogress.org/

 

 

 

You know this is Canada right?

None of that applies here at all.  Shall i post some charts from bolivia which refute it?

[carepov]

20 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Barring technological and scientific progress, no, we are not.

This is a comparison of the cost of major purchases today vs 1972. As it's American it actually understates how bad things are in Canada today.

https://www.marketplace.org/2022/08/17/money-and-millennials-the-cost-of-living-in-2022-vs-1972/

Interesting article, but wrong and whiney:

"The proportion of young adults who live in a parent’s home more than doubled between 1971 and 2021, from 8% to 17%"

OK, sure but here's why:

First, it is way more comfortable to stay at home

-The median home size is up ~40 %

-Number of bathrooms is up

-Number of brothers and sisters is down

Also, we in the west now have the luxury of extending our adolescence well into our twenties.

My feeling is that overall it is as challenging now to buy a home compared to 1972.  On one hand, yes, home prices are up.  On the other hand, financing is down, wages are up, and other costs are down.

Regarding the increase of the price of Disney vacations, I'm sure attendance is way up and if prices are up too this is a sign of prosperity.

[carepov]

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You know this is Canada right?

None of that applies here at all.  Shall i post some charts from bolivia which refute it?

The Real GDP per capita chart was Canada.

Disposable income was both Canada and the US.

I assume that US median house size is similar than Canada.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, carepov said:

Your facts are wrong.

Regarding poverty and food:

"Back in the early 1960s, when the American economist Mollie Orshansky defined the U.S. poverty level, she made a quick observation. Families spend about one third of household income on food. So, find out the cost of a cheap but adequately nutritious diet, triple it, and that’s the poverty line. That was meant to be just a quick and easy measure to use for a year or two while something more sensible was worked out. Sixty years later, we’re still using it – Milton Friedman did say there’s nothing so permanent as a temporary government program. Today American families spend a little under 10 percent of their income on food  – and that includes eating out, something the poor of the 1960s didn’t do, and even the middle class did only very rarely."

https://humanprogress.org/the-secret-recipe-for-civilization/?ref=topic&related=1827

Regarding housing, median square footage is way up:

Regarding leisure time, see previous charts about hours worked.  There are more charts about the decrease in housework, the increase of leisure time, the increase in travel.

To be clear, I'm not saying that life is perfect today.  There are certainly many challenges, however life is way better now than in your romanticized past. 

CAAAAA NAAAAA DAAAA

Don't tell me about life in another country. This is canada.  And i was there kiddo. 

[carepov]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

CAAAAA NAAAAA DAAAA

Don't tell me about life in another country. This is canada.  And i was there kiddo. 

"Though data is sparse for Canada, it appears that the average size of a new house has doubled since the 1970s."

https://www.darrinqualman.com/house-size/#:~:text=Though data is sparse for,even faster than house size.

[carepov]

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, carepov said:

"Though data is sparse for Canada, it appears that the average size of a new house has doubled since the 1970s."

https://www.darrinqualman.com/house-size/#:~:text=Though data is sparse for,even faster than house size.

I'm well aware that's wrong.  I work in the industry.   Well - maybe its true in some other part of canada but i doubt it. 

The average sq ft of a one bedroom apartment for example being built in the 80's was about 750 sq ft .The average one bdrm being built in vancouver right now is closer to 450 sq ft. 

The common home build in the suburbs of vancouver in the 70's was an actual house and was about 3000 - 3500 sq ft. 

The common home now is a townhouse and about 1500-1700 sq ft. 

Here you go - it specifically notes that sizes have decreased since the 'haydays' and that the MEDIAN size is now about 760 ish sq ft for ALL condos. 

Median size of new Metro Vancouver condos shrinking, but not as quickly as in Toronto - Business in Vancouver (biv.com)

 

In canada - house prices relative to income are going up, house sizes are going down (shrinkflation if you will). People until the pandemic ate out more becuase people had less time to cook for themselves.

the average debt per household, an important indicator, has been going UP in canada and down in the us .

Canada’s increasing household debt burdens households with high interest rates

Household debt in Canada has been rising inexorably. At the time of the recession in 2008, it stood at about 80% of the size of the economy, in 2010 it rose to 95%, and by 2021 debt exceeded its size.

By contrast, household debt in the U.S. fell from 100% of GDP in 2008 to about 75% in 2021. While U.S. households reduced debt, Canadians increased theirs and this will likely continue to increase unless we address affordability in the housing market.

Exploring the Impacts of Household Debt on Canada's Economy | CMHC (cmhc-schl.gc.ca)

 

You're quite simply wrong 

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, carepov said:

Really means nothing.  First, taking a snapshot of one year in a decade isn't useful.  And there's a number of other factors it doesn't look at like cost of rent - if rent is super cheap then people aren't as quick to buy a home, but if rents become unafordable as they are today then people tend to severely overextend themselves to get into a house just to have somewhere to live. ANd it doesn't discuss the type of home - if you've got a family of four crammed into an apartment they own vs two people living in a 3000 sq ft home 30 years earlier - that's not the same thing .  You'll note in my previous post debt is going up, people are struggling to afford homes but they'll buy what they can in desperation. 

[eyeball]

Speaking for myself, I'm against immigration because of the impact to our  ecosystems. Is it fair to say the leftist environmentalist reasons for opposing immigration are even worse and more evil than the racist ones?

[CdnFox]

Just now, eyeball said:

Speaking for myself, I'm against immigration because of the impact to our  ecosystems. Is it fair to say the leftist environmentalist reasons for opposing immigration are even worse and more evil than the racist ones?

absolutely, you're a terrible person. Go back to sleep. 

[taxme]

On 7/22/2024 at 9:29 PM, GroundskeeperWillie said:

Hello, I found this article on Druthers.ca, one of the remaining true newspapers in Canada.  The author talks about the effects of mass immigration on Canada.  I will post an excerpt below, to give you guys an idea.  You can also see the full article here: https://druthers.ca/ten-reasons-to-rethink-mass-immigration-to-canada/

 

If the link doesn't work, just head to Druthers.ca, then go to Read at the very top.  Select By Subject, then select the tag Immigration.  Look for the article titled "Ten Reasons To Rethink Mass Immigration To Canada".

 

While you are on Druthers, feel free to check out the rest of the articles.  They have some really good ones, the ones that they don't want you to read.

 

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Swiss novelist Max Frisch, referring to the foreign “guest workers” allowed into Europe after the Second World War, said, “We wanted workers…but we got people instead.”

1. Housing Crisis

This one is simple enough: Prices are determined by the relationship between supply and demand. As Canada’s population has grown through large-scale immigration, which reached a rate of nearly 1.3 million in 2023 alone (when including non-permanent residents like foreign workers and international students), both home prices and rents have soared.

 

Vancouver, Toronto, and Hamilton are now the three least affordable cities in North America. In his 2010 book Millionaire Migrants, UBC (University of British Columbia) Professor David Ley found a positive correlation coefficient of 0.94 between Vancouver and Toronto house prices and net international migration. For more evidence on the relationship between immigration and housing prices, check out Madeline Weld’s excellent article on the topic: “Blatantly Oblivious to the Blindingly Obvious.”

The result is social chaos and displacement, with younger generations feeling locked out of the housing market and delaying having children, and elderly Canadians on a fixed income returning to work to meet rent or mortgage payments.

2. Strained Healthcare

This one is also pretty simple: Immigrants need healthcare too! Adding large numbers of future patients from overseas every year is exacerbating the pre-existing problems with our healthcare system.

Though the population has grown by 5 million people in the last ten years alone, Canada has added just 167 medical residencies. In 2023, Canada accepted 471,550 permanent residents, as well as around 800,000 foreign workers and international students. Despite the federal government’s claim that the solution is to bring in doctors and nurses from overseas, in reality, we only accept about 4,000 immigrant healthcare workers per year.

As a result, more than 6 million Canadians and counting do not have access to a family doctor.

3. Farmland Loss

Despite having the second-largest landmass in the world, just 4.3% of Canada is arable, and 90% of Canadians live in a winding line of settlements within 160 KM of the U.S. border. Most immigrants settle in this same strip, which drives urban expansion: 15 million acres of farmland have been lost since 1976. Ontario loses 319 acres of farmland every day. Since 2001, Canada has lost the equivalent of seven small farms per day.

This loss of farmland weakens Canada’s food security, forcing us to depend on importing food from other nations—in an increasingly fractious world order. It also fuels urbanization, threatening Canada’s beloved countryside landscapes, and the rural lifestyle many of us are attached to.

4. Crowding of Schools

Like so many effects of mass immigration, the overcrowding of Canadian schools is a function of the law of supply and demand—which our political elite is apparently unaware of! Simply put: Provinces and school districts are being overwhelmed by large numbers of additional students from newly-settled immigrant families. In Prince Edward Island, Charlottetown and Stratford received 375 newcomer students who were neither predicted nor planned for. Surrey, B.C., is considering putting schools in high rises!

To be sure, school crowding is not the fault of the immigrant families in question. Both immigrant and native-born Canadians alike are the victims of the classroom crowding caused by an out-of-control federal immigration policy.

5. Foreign Interference

From the alleged Chinese interference in recent Canadian elections to the assassination of Khalistan separatist Hardeep Singh Nijjar outside a Surrey temple, Canada is now a hotspot for foreign interference. While politicians of all stripes have denounced the meddling of foreign states in Canadian affairs, none have explicitly linked it to the presence of large foreign diaspora populations on Canadian soil.

The fact is, the presence of large diasporas invites foreign interference. This is especially true of China, which considers all ethnic Chinese to be nationals of China—regardless of their place of residency. For Xi Jinping, overseas Chinese play an irreplaceable role in China’s rise. The link between diaspora populations and foreign interference appears to be an ironclad rule of geopolitics, and has been seen in Europe as well, with Turkish president Erdogan urging Turks in Germany to vote against German Chancellor Merkel after a diplomatic rupture between the countries.

6. Declining Living Standards

Large-scale immigration is touted as necessary to Canada’s economic success, but this could not be further from the truth. While Canada’s immigration-driven population growth does grow the Gross Domestic Product (GDP), it lowers GDP per capita. In other words, while the economic pie grows, most people’s slice gets smaller!

This process has gotten so bad that the National Bank of Canada released a report warning that Canada is in a “population trap” whereby any increase in living standards is impossible—a problem which usually occurs in emerging economies like India or Sub-Saharan Africa!

7. Urban Sprawl and Densification

The federal government describes immigration in abstract terms: addressing labour shortages, offsetting ageing populations, or growing the GDP. In reality, immigrants are not just workers, they are people—people who need a roof over their heads! To accommodate immigration-driven population growth, a large amount of Canada’s energy and wealth is spent endlessly building both single-family developments and high rises.

The urban sprawl strategy is most visible in places like Calgary, with new cookie-cutter developments being continually built on the surrounding prairie. Alberta saw a population boom of 184,000 in 2023 alone (with international migration accounting for far more than interprovincial migration), so this looks likely to continue. The densification approach is most apparent in British Columbia, which recently abolished single-family zoning in most communities to accommodate immigration-driven population growth.

8. Declining Social Cohesion

Social cohesion is a measure of the strength of the bonds linking members of a group to each other—and to the group itself. As ethnic and cultural diversity increases because of large-scale immigration, the number and severity of society’s cultural fault lines increases.

One way in which this is manifesting in Canadian society is brawls between or within diaspora groups. On September 2nd, 2023, about 150 Eritreans clashed in the parking lot of Calgary’s Falconridge Plaza, armed with sticks and pipes. Similar clashes occurred in Edmonton and Toronto. The origin of the disputes was a difference of views about the government in Eritrea. In November of 2023, viral videos emerged of a clash between Hindus and Sikhs on Diwali in Mississauga.

9. Incompatible Cultural Practices

Most of Canada’s immigration now comes from India, Asia, Africa, and the Middle East. While culturally rich in their own way, cultures and religions in these regions often hold values diametrically opposed to those of Anglo Canadian and Quebecois society. The result is the import of behaviours incompatible with—or even offensive to—the Canadian way of life, such as:

A furniture store in Richmond, British Columbia, advertising for a “Chinese sales person.”

A daycare worker in the Quebec city region discovering, while changing a young girl’s diaper, that she had been the victim of female genital mutilation.

The revelation in Quebec that three schools had set up Muslim prayer rooms, segregated by gender.

The construction of a 55-foot-tall statue of Hanuman, a Hindu god and “commander of the monkey army,” in Brampton, Ontario.

Discriminatory rental ads specifying that apartments or houses will be rented to “Indians only.”

The controversial spread of massive Chinese “monster homes” in Vancouver, British Columbia.

 

 

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Let me know what you guys think.

More of this massive third world immigration is the problem and will only make Canada not so great like it is today thinks to liberalism and socialism. Massive third world immigration into all white countries is all part of the WEF globalist plan.  Even Druthers has pretty much mentioned that in their past newspaper stories.

I read a story about some guy from some black country was seethe white people who were stupid enough to allow this pos in this country. But get ready for more because they are going to be coming here by the hundreds of thousands every year. Canada is becoming less white looking as every year passes. Enjoy. 😁

[taxme]

On 7/23/2024 at 4:09 AM, Nationalist said:

I think the problem is the numbers and the people chosen to be allowed entry. The numbers are insane. We have not been able to keep up with them and have created our own problems both socially and financially. And who pays for this debauchery? We do.

The other problem we've created is the shock to Canadian society. Why is it very difficult for a European to move here, yet Asians can waltz in and have everything handed to them? Walk into any office building and what do you see? Asians and Indonesians...at a ratio way above the population ratio. Go looking for an IT job. You will deal with Indians. Why? And do they operate fairly to all? Well...look around you in your office setting.

Not too long ago on this forum, I had an exchange with an Indian from Surrey. He flat out said they are here to take over. And we not only let them, but actually pave the way for them.

I have nothing against real, honest, immigrants. My own wife is a real, honest, immigrant. But immigration in Canada is lopsided and caters to people who's very culture clashes violently with ours.

Pixie-Dust has tried to tell us that there really is no Canadian culture. Why else would he do such a thing, than to pave the way for an explosion of a non-compatible culture?

Canadians...stand in guard for your own lands and culture...for a change.

Just look around? East Indians have pretty much already taking over BC. Look around. Just about every business in BC is now run and owned in BC. From fast food restaurants, to gas stations, to 7/11's, to taxis, to trucking companies and so much more, there can be no doubt about it that they are taking over BC and soon all of Canada. Mark my words that this will happen. ☹️

[Nationalist]

23 minutes ago, taxme said:

Just look around? East Indians have pretty much already taking over BC. Look around. Just about every business in BC is now run and owned in BC. From fast food restaurants, to gas stations, to 7/11's, to taxis, to trucking companies and so much more, there can be no doubt about it that they are taking over BC and soon all of Canada. Mark my words that this will happen. ☹️

And so will this...

https://x.com/Harry__Faulkner/status/1818043109919605220/photo/1

 

[blackbird]

The federal government apparently is planning to bring in 2 million people over the next three years.  Wonder where they're going to house them and provide for them.  I guess the taxpayers will pay for it.

[suds]

Has anyone thought of government subsidizing the companies that hire tradesmen and apprentices in the fields of housing and infrastructure to attract more Canadians to those jobs? That way, pay increases shouldn't affect building costs, costs which would otherwise be passed on to new home buyers. Those in medicine are reluctant to be family doctors because of the high overhead costs. So do something about that also instead of removing perks such as the capital gains tax which only makes matters worse. Everything we do seems to be self defeating.

 

[Nationalist]

29 minutes ago, suds said:

Has anyone thought of government subsidizing the companies that hire tradesmen and apprentices in the fields of housing and infrastructure to attract more Canadians to those jobs? That way, pay increases shouldn't affect building costs, costs which would otherwise be passed on to new home buyers. Those in medicine are reluctant to be family doctors because of the high overhead costs. So do something about that also instead of removing perks such as the capital gains tax which only makes matters worse. Everything we do seems to be self defeating.

 

Welcome to libbie leadership.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, suds said:

Has anyone thought of government subsidizing the companies that hire tradesmen and apprentices in the fields of housing and infrastructure to attract more Canadians to those jobs? That way, pay increases shouldn't affect building costs, costs which would otherwise be passed on to new home buyers. Those in medicine are reluctant to be family doctors because of the high overhead costs. So do something about that also instead of removing perks such as the capital gains tax which only makes matters worse. Everything we do seems to be self defeating.

 

That would just raise taxes, so people wouldn't be any better off. 

There are a few ways to deal with it. Bring in fewer people - we have the workers to build homes we're just not building them as fast as our population is going up so slow that down. Give some tax breaks to some of the companies who are doing good work on automating pre-fab components to make it easier to build homes with fewer people especially in winter - there are a few. (helps mostly with townhomes and smaller buildings). Most of all - help municipalities and districts to cut the red tape and speed up approval AND help them with the cash to expand the infrastructure (sewer, power etc) to help accomodate that.  

It's not an impossible problem to beat by any stretch of the imagination.  But - they're just not taking it seriously.

[taxme]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

And so will this...

https://x.com/Harry__Faulkner/status/1818043109919605220/photo/1

 

I was in Newfoundland earlier on this summer and i sat next to an East Indian on the plane. I had a feeling that he is just one of many E.I. going to NFLD to work. Then i saw why. Many businesses in NFLD are now being taken over by them. Many fast food joints and taxis are now being run by E.I. 

Multiculturalism and diversity are code words for white genocide. Prove me wrong you lefty liberals and socialists here. Go ahead punks, make your day. 🤡

It's too bad that more Canadians do not listen to Faulkner. Maybe they would finally learn something for a change. Paul Fromm knows this problem all too well. Aw well. 😇

[suds]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That would just raise taxes, so people wouldn't be any better off. 

There are a few ways to deal with it. Bring in fewer people - we have the workers to build homes we're just not building them as fast as our population is going up so slow that down. Give some tax breaks to some of the companies who are doing good work on automating pre-fab components to make it easier to build homes with fewer people especially in winter - there are a few. (helps mostly with townhomes and smaller buildings). Most of all - help municipalities and districts to cut the red tape and speed up approval AND help them with the cash to expand the infrastructure (sewer, power etc) to help accomodate that.  

It's not an impossible problem to beat by any stretch of the imagination.  But - they're just not taking it seriously.

From what I understand, construction companies are having a difficult time recruiting domestic labour.  It's like Canadians all of a sudden either don't want to get their hands dirty or can get the same pay with more benefits for doing something else.  If you want to attract more people to work in the trades then pay them more. Same with the family doctors.

 

[eyeball]

6 hours ago, suds said:

Everything we do seems to be self defeating.

It's not just us, the same thing is happening virtually everywhere around the planet. Presumably it's worse in places given all the people hoping to come here.

[CdnFox]

38 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's not just us, the same thing is happening virtually everywhere around the planet. Presumably it's worse in places given all the people hoping to come here.

well a lot of the ones who came want to leave now thanks to justin so not worse it would seem. 

Fortunately we can fix it. Vote your buddies on the left out, vote a decent gov't in, and get to work. 

[carepov]

22 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I'm well aware that's wrong.  I work in the industry.   Well - maybe its true in some other part of canada but i doubt it. 

The average sq ft of a one bedroom apartment for example being built in the 80's was about 750 sq ft .The average one bdrm being built in vancouver right now is closer to 450 sq ft. 

The common home build in the suburbs of vancouver in the 70's was an actual house and was about 3000 - 3500 sq ft. 

The common home now is a townhouse and about 1500-1700 sq ft. 

Here you go - it specifically notes that sizes have decreased since the 'haydays' and that the MEDIAN size is now about 760 ish sq ft for ALL condos. 

Median size of new Metro Vancouver condos shrinking, but not as quickly as in Toronto - Business in Vancouver (biv.com)

 

You're quite simply wrong 

I know that people that live in Vancouver (and Toronto) think that its all about them - newsflash: it's not.

Also, the majority of Canadians live in a single-detached house.

Is it possible that apartment/condo sizes are declining because more people are living alone or as couples without kids?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, carepov said:

I know that people that live in Vancouver (and Toronto) think that its all about them - newsflash: it's not.

I know that people outside those metro areas can't count, but that's where most of the people live.  About 83 percent of the country's population lives in a major metro right now. The big cities.  And they're pretty much all the same. 

As i said at the very beginning i'm sure you can find local pockets and economies where its different but probably not as many as you think. 

Also the percent who don't live in single dethatched homes is dropping every year. 

Single-detached homes outpaced by apartments, row houses | CTV News

There were barely any such things as condominiums in the early 70's..  Now - they make up a sizeable hunk of the entire market and every year they get more and more of the market share. 

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Is it possible that apartment/condo sizes are declining because more people are living alone or as couples without kids?

No that's always been the case, in fact traditionally Condos were starter homes that were easier for young people to buy as housing prices rose in the 70's and also for elderly people to downsize to when their larger home became a little too much to handle as they aged. 

If anything we're now seeing more kids and families being raised in condos, and because they really weren't designed for it (kids are noisy) it's creating new problems. 

I"m not saying it's irreversable, but having lived in both eras and watching people deal with the challenges, it was easier then than it is now. Pretty much everyone had a doctor, a 3 hour wait time at emergency was really bad, etc etc. 

WE can fix it. but things aren't as easy now.  On the other hand we have more advanced tech, we have cell phones (i remember when voicemail pagers were still a huge revolution) and the internet is amazing.  Soooo... swings and roundabouts i guess.