Canada should deport immigrants that illegally occupy, intimidate, and spout anti-Semitism

[blackbird]

These people should be deported.  All they are doing is increasing anti-Semitism in Canada and costing law enforcement and the country more money.  They are also making life unbearable for Jewish people and students who need to attend universities in Canada.  Nobody should have to put up with this.

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, blackbird said:

These people should be deported.  All they are doing is increasing anti-Semitism in Canada and costing law enforcement and the country more money.  They are also making life unbearable for Jewish people and students who need to attend universities in Canada.  Nobody should have to put up with this.

How would this work ?  I get that you're upset.  So am I.  But sometimes you just have to accept that there are people that you can't do anything about.  Kind of like coming on this forum over the last 5 years.

[ExFlyer]

19 hours ago, blackbird said:

These people should be deported.  All they are doing is increasing anti-Semitism in Canada and costing law enforcement and the country more money.  They are also making life unbearable for Jewish people and students who need to attend universities in Canada.  Nobody should have to put up with this.

What about those that speak against blacks? Or Indians? Or Asians? Or indigenous (like you)?

Or is it only people that speak against jewish peoples?

You are right in that "Nobody should have to put up with this." regardless of heritage, birth, colour or race.

[Five of swords]

19 hours ago, blackbird said:

These people should be deported.  All they are doing is increasing anti-Semitism in Canada and costing law enforcement and the country more money.  They are also making life unbearable for Jewish people and students who need to attend universities in Canada.  Nobody should have to put up with this.

So it should be illegal to criticize jews in canada?

[ExFlyer]

38 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

So it should be illegal to criticize jews in canada?

According to blackturd LOL

[PIK]

We have the M -103. To protect Islam from criticism,  but yet the jews are getting ripped left right and centre in this country and Trudeau doesnt seem to care.

[herbie]

Unlike some other reprehensible countries, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms does not just apply to Canadian citizens.
If an immigrant is charged with a crime they can be and often are deported.

Waving signs or chanting 'Free Palestine' or 'from the river to the sea' is not defined as a criminal act and never will be.

[eyeball]

On 7/17/2024 at 9:55 AM, blackbird said:

Nobody should have to put up with this.

John 8:44 – "Jews are the children of Satan"

I guess Canada will have to ban the Bible now.

 

[blackbird]

20 minutes ago, eyeball said:

John 8:44 – "Jews are the children of Satan"

I guess Canada will have to ban the Bible now.

 

 

You are not telling the truth.  John 8:44 in the King James Bible otherwise called the Authorized Version doesn't say that at all.

It says "44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. "  John 8:44 King James Bible

  If you read that chapter, you will see Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees who rejected Jesus' teachings.

 

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

You are not telling the truth.  John 8:44 in the King James Bible otherwise called the Authorized Version doesn't say that at all.

It says "44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. "  John 8:44 King James Bible

  If you read that chapter, you will see

Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees who rejected Jesus' teachings

 

Speaking to Israelis in other words.

[blackbird]

22 minutes ago, eyeball said:

 

Speaking to Israelis in other words.

No,  He was speaking to Pharisees, in a specific circumstance and time in his ministry on earth, who did not believe Jesus Christ is God.  These Pharisees claimed Abraham as their father.  They rejected Jesus and wanted to kill him.  But Jesus identified their father as the devil.  Physically they were Abraham's children or descendants, but not spiritually.  Spiritually they were the devil's children.  

That does not justify hatred of Israelis or Jews today.  That is simply an event that occurred 2,000 years ago in a specific circumstance.  

quote

One of the first promises in the Bible is given to Abram, whom God appointed to be a blessing to the whole earth. Not only did God tell this patriarch that he would receive a good land and have many children, but He also promised Abram, “I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse” (Gen. 12:1–3). That’s an incredible promise, isn’t it? God will favor those who favor Abram and set Himself against those who oppose Abram.

Like me, you probably want God’s blessing and favor on your life. This verse gives us the secret to obtaining that blessing. We just need to bless Abram. Abram, later renamed Abraham, died some four thousand years ago. So, one might think that it is no longer possible to bless him. That is not the case. The promise to Abraham was passed down through his son Isaac to his grandson Jacob (Gen. 27:1–29). Jacob, of course, was renamed Israel, his sons being the founding fathers of the tribes of Israel. So, the promise of Abraham passed on to Israel as well (Num. 24:1–9).  unquote

Does God Bless Those Who Bless Israel? (ligonier.org)

Edited July 18, 2024 by blackbird

[blackbird]

40 minutes ago, eyeball said:

 

Speaking to Israelis in other words.

You need to be cautious with your words.  You are getting into territory which can come back to bite you hard.

I am not a judge and only God is the final or ultimate judge.  We are commanded in Scripture to bless Israel and the Jews.

As for the interpretation of John 8:44 you need to be cautious because it could be a sensitive subject that could could bite you if you are trying to play games with it or use it to try to justify anti-Semitism.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

If you are trying to play games with it or use it to try to justify anti-Semitism.

Me justify it? You get a big old go fu ck yourself for trying to play that game with me.

[User]

It is comical that when I travel to Canada for work, I get interrogated and have to bring a statement declaring that I am not there to work or perform any jobs Canadians can do and that I promise to leave when I am done with said business trip promptly...

But if I sneak across the border from Africa, I guess I get to stay and live?

 

[blackbird]

Canada needs a completely new immigration department and policy.  The present policy is not working and is a disaster.  But to do that we need a completely different type of government that respects historic Judeo-Christian beliefs and culture.

[CouchPotato]

5 hours ago, herbie said:

Waving signs or chanting 'Free Palestine' or 'from the river to the sea' is not defined as a criminal act and never will be.

Though I am pro-Israel, I agree with this. I am pro free speech. Even very terrible speech. Not because I condone it, but because I think the best way to deal with it is to argue against it.

That said, if someone comes here as a student and is part of an encampment on university property, I have would no problem sending them home. I mean I suppose it would depend on the individual case. I know protests on university property are normal, and it is sort of a public space for students. But when you encamp for long periods and/or decide who gets into your encampment, it's really no longer a public space for all students. Protesting at a Synagogue is not necessary, either. I wouldn't try something like that in another country.

Edited July 19, 2024 by CouchPotato

[blackbird]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

 

Speaking to Israelis in other words.

While he was speaking to Jews in that particular conversation, the meaning of the term Pharisee in a Christian context today is someone who follows the impulse to be seen as righteous by obeying certain laws, while ignoring more important matters of the heart.  Therefore the term Pharisee could apply to anyone in today's world of any race, nationality or ethic group.  

[ExFlyer]

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

While he was speaking to Jews in that particular conversation, the meaning of the term Pharisee in a Christian context today is someone who follows the impulse to be seen as righteous by obeying certain laws, while ignoring more important matters of the heart.  Therefore the term Pharisee could apply to anyone in today's world of any race, nationality or ethic group.  

?? So, you are a "Pharisee"?  LOL

[I am Groot]

On 7/18/2024 at 8:12 AM, ExFlyer said:

What about those that speak against blacks? Or Indians? Or Asians? Or indigenous (like you)?

You should always be able to speak the truth. There are huge problems with the black community related to crime, violence, single parenthood and lack of paternal support for their children, and lack of respect for education. With Indians, they're foreigners who have brought a foreign culture here that is in many ways hostile to our own. It's fine to criticize a group that is doing something that is wrong or impacts you badly.

On 7/18/2024 at 8:12 AM, ExFlyer said:

Or is it only people that speak against jewish peoples?

What have the Jews done you don't like?

Also, we get to treat foreign people differently than we do those born here. Just like we treat people in our families differently than visitors to our home. Most of the people in these demos are foreigners. they should be expelled.

Edited July 19, 2024 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

On 7/18/2024 at 8:32 AM, Five of swords said:

So it should be illegal to criticize jews in canada?

I don't understand your question.

You can criticize A Jew for something they've done or are doing.

You can, if you're a scholar, criticize elements of the Jewish faith you disapprove of.

If there is some aspect of Jewish culture - presuming we accept that is a thing - that you dislike you can criticize that.

What you shouldn't be able to do is just gather in a crowd in a Jewish area to harass Jews. Nor can you blame Jews for something they haven't done nor call for some action to be taken against them.

[I am Groot]

15 hours ago, herbie said:

Unlike some other reprehensible countries, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms does not just apply to Canadian citizens.
If an immigrant is charged with a crime they can be and often are deported.

Waving signs or chanting 'Free Palestine' or 'from the river to the sea' is not defined as a criminal act and never will be.

It can be defined as a criminal act. Chanting 'free Palestine' aligns the speaker with Hamas, which should be illegal as Hamas is a vicious terrorist group. And please don't try to pretend you can support "Palestine" and not Hamas. That would be like someone in 1944 parading around with signs supporting Germany and claiming they're not actually supporting the Nazi Party. 

And 'from the river to the sea' has only one meaning. Genocide all the Jews from that area and make it pure and Muslim again.

[ExFlyer]

32 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

You should always be able to speak the truth. There are huge problems with the black community related to crime, violence, single parenthood and lack of paternal support for their children, and lack of respect for education. With Indians, they're foreigners who have brought a foreign culture here that is in many ways hostile to our own. It's fine to criticize a group that is doing something that is wrong or impacts you badly.

What have the Jews done you don't like?

Also, we get to treat foreign people differently than we do those born here. Just like we treat people in our families differently than visitors to our home. Most of the people in these demos are foreigners. they should be expelled.

My point was that blackturd is complaining about anti sematism and we should "deport immigrants that illegally occupy, intimidate, and spout anti-Semitism".

Only immigrants? And why just anti sematism and not hate against all other cultures, races and religions?

[PIK]

18 hours ago, herbie said:

Unlike some other reprehensible countries, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms does not just apply to Canadian citizens.
If an immigrant is charged with a crime they can be and often are deported.

Waving signs or chanting 'Free Palestine' or 'from the river to the sea' is not defined as a criminal act and never will be.

From river to the sea = genocide. 

[Five of swords]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I don't understand your question.

You can criticize A Jew for something they've done or are doing.

You can, if you're a scholar, criticize elements of the Jewish faith you disapprove of.

If there is some aspect of Jewish culture - presuming we accept that is a thing - that you dislike you can criticize that.

What you shouldn't be able to do is just gather in a crowd in a Jewish area to harass Jews. Nor can you blame Jews for something they haven't done nor call for some action to be taken against them.

Just no.

 

This is a dishonest framing of the issue, and it dissapoints me because I can tell from your posts that you are psychologically capable of being honest, unlike most people.

 

Very simple objective reasoning: harassment and threats is a thing that people actually do. And I believe it is supposed to be illegal, and illegal regardless of the motives. 

 

For example, I am sure that every day there are white people who are harassed because of the belief that white people invented genocide, slavery, wealth inequality, or stole the technology of space travel from sub saharan Egyptians. There is no word for that particular motive for harassment, and pretty much nobody cares about it (including white people).

 

But hating white people, like antisemitism, is a state of mind. And anyone is allowed to just sit there and hate white people and no laws are broken, so long as no violent act occurs (and even if one does, there wouldn't be a hate crime charge if and only if the motivation was hatred of white people)

 

So we aren't discussing harassment. The discussion is antisenitism...which is a state of mind.

 

And also the subject of immigration was introduced.

 

So let me explain what is really happening here. Real talk. The truth is that Israel doesn't want palestinians to be in gaza anymore...because their proximity is a security risk. But they alsobelieve it would be too politically and diplomatically expensive to kill then all. They also don't want palestinians in some place like Egypt, because there would still be proximity and they might influence Egyptian politics.

 

So really, Israel would really love palestinians to be relocated to Canada. Canada is a convenient dumping ground for israel...just as they dumped all those Ethiopian 'jews' here.

 

Real talk. What blackbird is really worried about is that a million palestinians will be relocated to canada...and many of them will have a chip on their shoulder for the harm hews did to them. For sure, this might easily result in some increase in violent conflicts, but I don't think blackbird is worried about that per se. The real issue is that the influx of these people might shift the cultural fabric of Canada, and result in people who lack the proper amount of reverence for jews. In fact, they might be shoved into the same box as whites as evil colonialists and racists. That cultural shift is what blackbird hopes to avoid by imposing draconian policies on the observed state of mind of immigrants.

 

But this is a futile display because the fact of the matter is that the Palestinians will be coming here, regardless of what Canadians think about it. And they will be hating jews regardless of how legal it is to hate jews. 

[Moonbox]

16 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Real talk. What blackbird is really worried about is that a million palestinians will be relocated to canada...and many of them will have a chip on their shoulder for the harm hews did to them.

Calling it "real talk" doesn't make what you're saying less nonsensical.  

There are only 2M Palestinians in Gaza.  Blackbird is worried about half of them being relocated to Canada? 

17 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

result in people who lack the proper amount of reverence for jews.

What's the "proper amount of reverence" for jews?