Climate Change, definitions and refutation of the fairy tale.

[Michael Hardner]

30 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

But you still occasionally engage in discussions with these types? I know that I do.. regrettably. 

I do indeed.  It's a function of the subject matter, and how bored I am.

And to their credit, the ones I have on ignore often make good points and not-often will engage without insults or dumb-down tactics.  But overall, they are unprincipled and refuse to discuss in an edifying respectful manner.  So... begone.

[impartialobserver]

25 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I do indeed.  It's a function of the subject matter, and how bored I am.

And to their credit, the ones I have on ignore often make good points and not-often will engage without insults or dumb-down tactics.  But overall, they are unprincipled and refuse to discuss in an edifying respectful manner.  So... begone.

A lot of them are simply bored and seeking affirmation. 

[reason10]

22 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

I have done enough research to know that they are practical for myself now. A bit pricey but in most cases, they do the job fine. I do not agree with mandates being as they are expensive and do have a few more issues. Besides some folks need a genuine truck for work and in the winter.. commuting. Back to the point though. I do not do this because of some deep seated need to be a climate change warrior. 

as for censorship.. this is not censorship. This is more selective ignoring. Censorship would be the person being banned from posting. This is where folks simply do not look at your stuff. 

So you have no problem driving a hand grenade with the  pin  pulled, and the  possibility of it exploding.

[impartialobserver]

Just now, reason10 said:

So you have no problem driving a hand grenade with the  pin  pulled, and the  possibility of it exploding.

You exaggerate. Yes,  a few of them have had issues but the hybrid models have had very few documented issues like you describe. But lets not let data get in the way of your narrative. 

[reason10]

20 hours ago, robosmith said:

 

What's your question? How is it measured? LMAO

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You're NEVER going to understand the climate science cause you're too lazy and stupid to even read the research.

A bunch of left wing computer nerds looking at flawed computer models, GETTING PAID BY GEORGE SOROS does not rise to the level of research.

The phrase "Climate Change" has replaced Global Warming, because the  earth did NOT warm when Algore said it would. Florida is not under water.

I already defined ACTUAL CLIMATE CHANGE. So for you've done NOTHING to refute the facts.

And 

 

[reason10]

1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

You exaggerate. Yes,  a few of them have had issues but the hybrid models have had very few documented issues like you describe. But lets not let data get in the way of your narrative. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lithium-ion-battery-fires-electric-cars-bikes-scooters-firefighters/

The rechargeable batteries that power common items like e-bikes, scooters and electric cars can pose a dangerous new threat to firefighters. They burn hotter and longer — and many fire departments may be unprepared to tackle them.  

In June, four people were killed and two others seriously injured after a lithium-ion battery malfunctioned and sparked a fire in a first-floor e-bike shop in New York. Fire officials say the blaze quickly spread to apartments above the shop.   

It's not an isolated incident. Fires caused by rechargeable batteries, including lithium-ion batteries, have been increasing steadily in large cities like New York and San Francisco. Since at least 2019, fire departments in the two cities say they've responded to at least 669 incidents combined. 

https://fireisolator.com/the-danger-of-an-ev-car-fire-in-garages/?utm_term=&utm_campaign=Fire+Isolator&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_acc=9785469166&hsa_cam=16067451964&hsa_grp=138668930811&hsa_ad=617970623937&hsa_src=g&hsa_tgt=dsa-39951123389&hsa_kw=&hsa_mt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwhb60BhClARIsABGGtw_8wzu-Ho6Pi8zuSwBKt77af-0aOHnPOUikfJB6D6jBnZAppnGH50EaAqOKEALw_wcB

The fear of EV cars catching fire, however, is growing too. Some HOA’s (Home Owners Associations) in the Netherlands have even banned electric cars from parking in parking garages under residential complexes as a precaution to prevent EV car fires. But banning electric cars from garages is not exactly legal, according to director Kees Oomen (Dutch foundation of HOA).

 

 

[impartialobserver]

4 minutes ago, reason10 said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lithium-ion-battery-fires-electric-cars-bikes-scooters-firefighters/

The rechargeable batteries that power common items like e-bikes, scooters and electric cars can pose a dangerous new threat to firefighters. They burn hotter and longer — and many fire departments may be unprepared to tackle them.  

In June, four people were killed and two others seriously injured after a lithium-ion battery malfunctioned and sparked a fire in a first-floor e-bike shop in New York. Fire officials say the blaze quickly spread to apartments above the shop.   

It's not an isolated incident. Fires caused by rechargeable batteries, including lithium-ion batteries, have been increasing steadily in large cities like New York and San Francisco. Since at least 2019, fire departments in the two cities say they've responded to at least 669 incidents combined. 

https://fireisolator.com/the-danger-of-an-ev-car-fire-in-garages/?utm_term=&utm_campaign=Fire+Isolator&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_acc=9785469166&hsa_cam=16067451964&hsa_grp=138668930811&hsa_ad=617970623937&hsa_src=g&hsa_tgt=dsa-39951123389&hsa_kw=&hsa_mt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwhb60BhClARIsABGGtw_8wzu-Ho6Pi8zuSwBKt77af-0aOHnPOUikfJB6D6jBnZAppnGH50EaAqOKEALw_wcB

The fear of EV cars catching fire, however, is growing too. Some HOA’s (Home Owners Associations) in the Netherlands have even banned electric cars from parking in parking garages under residential complexes as a precaution to prevent EV car fires. But banning electric cars from garages is not exactly legal, according to director Kees Oomen (Dutch foundation of HOA).

 

 

You breeze over where I mentioned "hybrids".. typical internet forum poster.. all passion, no intellect. If you truly want to make a case.. show some raw data not cherry picked internet articles. Show the absolute number of proven cases by year and place... I know that goes beyond your skill set. If you want an example of raw data (no summarizations, no articles).. look below.


https://www.bls.gov/cew/data.htm

Edited July 11 by impartialobserver

[reason10]

5 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

You breeze over where I mentioned "hybrids".. typical internet forum poster.. all passion, no intellect. If you truly want to make a case.. show some raw data not cherry picked internet articles. Show the absolute number of proven cases by year and place... I know that goes beyond your skill set. If you want an example of raw data (no summarizations, no articles).. look below.


https://www.bls.gov/cew/data.htm

I rented a hybrid for a 200 mile business trip.  And it was  a Chrysler Pacifica, one of the better ones.

Never again. Too many tics and strange noises.

 

And who is to say your article isn't cherry picked as well? After all it IS financed by George Soros.

[impartialobserver]

2 hours ago, reason10 said:

I rented a hybrid for a 200 mile business trip.  And it was  a Chrysler Pacifica, one of the better ones.

Never again. Too many tics and strange noises.

 

And who is to say your article isn't cherry picked as well? After all it IS financed by George Soros.

Financed by George Soros.. you are quite the comedian.. the qcew data set predates George Soros. I know that you have absolutely no idea what QCEW is. 

[reason10]

55 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Financed by George Soros.. you are quite the comedian.. the qcew data set predates George Soros. I know that you have absolutely no idea what QCEW is. 

Soros was a Nazi informant and sympathizer. He predates QCEW.

[impartialobserver]

17 hours ago, reason10 said:

Soros was a Nazi informant and sympathizer. He predates QCEW.

Ok, will give you this one. QCEW dates to 1935 and Soros is from 1930.. But he financed it at 5 years old.. quite the comedian. Still.. I can tell that you have absolutely no idea what QCEW is... You think it is a magazine or a blog... damn, you can't make this stuff up

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

Ok, will give you this one. QCEW dates to 1935 and Soros is from 1930.. But he financed it at 5 years old.. quite the comedian. Still.. I can tell that you have absolutely no idea what QCEW is... You think it is a magazine or a blog... damn, you can't make this stuff up

You give R10 way too little credit; he can manufacture BULLSHIT like there's no tomorrow.

[User]

34 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You give R10 way too little credit; he can manufacture BULLSHIT like there's no tomorrow.

Are you jealous of the competition?

 

[impartialobserver]

36 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You give R10 way too little credit; he can manufacture BULLSHIT like there's no tomorrow.

He is just a garden variety internet forum troll. He is actually pretty tame in comparison to those on the last forum I was on.. liberalforum.net

[robosmith]

6 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

He is just a garden variety internet forum troll. He is actually pretty tame in comparison to those on the last forum I was on.. liberalforum.net

He used to be TOP TROLL here, but he's not posting nearly as much now.

[User]

6 minutes ago, robosmith said:

He used to be TOP TROLL here, but he's not posting nearly as much now.

You have that title now

[impartialobserver]

6 minutes ago, robosmith said:

He used to be TOP TROLL here, but he's not posting nearly as much now.

Well, a TROLL is a TROLL regardless of severity. I love how according to him... everyone in Florida is smarter, more moral, and earns more than any other place in the world.. I love my current state of residence, NV, but also know its not perfect. 

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

Well, a TROLL is a TROLL regardless of severity. I love how according to him... everyone in Florida is smarter, more moral, and earns more than any other place in the world.. I love my current state of residence, NV, but also know its not perfect. 

and you think robo isn't a troll? The guy who posts silly articles about trump 10 times a day?

 You seem to have a selective definition  

[Nationalist]

Ok...getting back to "climate change"...

All of you climate-cultists. @Michael Hardner @robosmith @AllOfYou...

Our reactions to this green scare has been and currently is, a serious drag on the entire global economy. It's effects are felt by every other industry. I would venture to guess this green scare is responsible for at least half of the inflationary pressures the entire world is experiencing right now. 

PROVE...with all those "peer reviewed papers" you Greenies like to wave about...that the world has a climate "crisis" worthy of the drastic impositions taken on the economy and on the population.

Either that or...

SHUT THE FCK UP and GET THE HELL OUTTA THE WAY!!!

Now...prove it.

Edited July 13 by Nationalist

[Michael Hardner]

23 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

 

1. PROVE...with all those "peer reviewed papers" you Greenies like to wave about...that the world has a climate "crisis" worthy of the drastic impositions taken on the economy and on the population.

 

2. SHUT THE FCK UP and GET THE HELL OUTTA THE WAY!!!

Now...prove it.

1. The peer-reviewed papers are about the science... Not about the economics, and those proposed solutions, which are more in the political economy realm. 

You're asking us to prove something.... Why don't you prove that this drag on the economy can be enumerated and that is significant?  That would be a good starting point.

2. All caps is an emotional thing.  Emotional folks aren't going to be able to engage in dispassionate analysis.  Not a good start for a discussion that you look for to make on the basis of reason.

And who is in the way? All the countries of the world who have signed on? Or the people who claim that it's not happening or that no response is warranted? It feels like the people in the way are the ones who don't want to do anything.

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. The peer-reviewed papers are about the science... Not about the economics, and those proposed solutions, which are more in the political economy realm. 

You're asking us to prove something.... Why don't you prove that this drag on the economy can be enumerated and that is significant?  That would be a good starting point.

2. All caps is an emotional thing.  Emotional folks aren't going to be able to engage in dispassionate analysis.  Not a good start for a discussion that you look for to make on the basis of reason.

And who is in the way? All the countries of the world who have signed on? Or the people who claim that it's not happening or that no response is warranted? It feels like the people in the way are the ones who don't want to do anything.

Lol...strike one!

"It feels like the people in the way are the ones who don't want to do anything."

No. Most...by far...can read. We don't replace "could" with "crisis" because that would be what? That's right...it would be a lie.

We can also read that indeed the average global climate changes. We even would encourage and invest in different energy solutions. But NOT at the expense of inflation!

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/01/net-zero-cost-3-5-trillion-a-year/

$3,500,000,000.00/year globally Mike. Now just who do you figure is gonna pay for that Mike? African nations? China? Israel maybe? No...we are in this slimey western world we've created. Oh goodie!

https://globalnews.ca/news/8508541/canada-green-transition-inflation/

We all just came out of a supposed pandemic that trashed everyone's economy. This greenie imposition is just downright mean spirited.!

[Michael Hardner]

@Nationalist sorry buddy... You're too emotionally invested in this to have a real conversation.  Economics is a tricky topic, just so you know.  If you follow Economists, or think tanks like the Peterson Institute, they approach these things seriously and with an open mind.

Are you up for that?

[herbie]

The trees that weren't killed by the cold that didn't kill the bugs for decades are burning, there's years of drought in the Great Bear Rain Forest, warm water species are showing up in the N Pacific, great white sharks in Nova Scotia, heat domes, droughts all over, hurricanes in places and numbers  we've never seen before and the satellites tell is it's getting warmer year by year but Climate Change isn't real.

Must be God's retribution for those Drag Queen Story Hours, eh?

[Nationalist]

7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

@Nationalist sorry buddy... You're too emotionally invested in this to have a real conversation.  Economics is a tricky topic, just so you know.  If you follow Economists, or think tanks like the Peterson Institute, they approach these things seriously and with an open mind.

Are you up for that?

Strke two.. 

Mike...

https://www.iea.org/commentaries/what-is-behind-soaring-energy-prices-and-what-happens-next

He'll even the IMF admits the correlation between energy costs and inflation.

https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2022/09/09/cotw-how-food-and-energy-are-driving-the-global-inflation-surge

You have one stroke left.

Prove there's a climate crisis worthy of this gross imposition. 

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Ok...getting back to "climate change"...

All of you climate-cultists. @Michael Hardner @robosmith @AllOfYou...

Our reactions to this green scare has been and currently is, a serious drag on the entire global economy. It's effects are felt by every other industry. I would venture to guess this green scare is responsible for at least half of the inflationary pressures the entire world is experiencing right now. 

PROVE...with all those "peer reviewed papers" you Greenies like to wave about...that the world has a climate "crisis" worthy of the drastic impositions taken on the economy and on the population.

Either that or...

SHUT THE FCK UP and GET THE HELL OUTTA THE WAY!!!

Now...prove it.

When I was a kid, OPEC imposed an oil embargo which ground the U.S. economy to a halt. People waited in line for hours to get gasoline.  Japanese car sales exploded, because Americans finally wanted fuel efficient cars.  
 

We had oil scarcities again in the 80’s and 90’s. Then we went to war to defend Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. 
 

“It’s because liberals won’t let us drill enough!” they said.  Finally; under Biden, we produced more petroleum than we consume.  And what happened? Putin invaded Ukraine, petroleum supplies in Europe became scarce, OPEC again drastically raised prices… and American oil was exported, causing gasoline prices in America to sharply increase.  
 

Now… IMAGINE for a moment… what if 65-75% of our electricity came from renewable sources? Saudi Arabia can’t increase the cost of wind, can they? And Exxon can’t export electricity to Europe.  So we, in America, become truly energy independent and we don’t get any more energy shortages. Seems like the kind of America conservatives would want, if their party wasn’t bribed to the hilt by the $8 Trillion petroleum industry.