The Ten Commandments to be posted in Louisiana schools, lefties go bananas

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, Rebound said:

The Access Hollywood tape wasn’t even denied by your false god Trump himself. He admitted it!  He even… gulp! apologized for it.  

Nobody said anything about a tape. 

Where was he "proven" to have raped a woman.  Where was he charged, who declared it 'proven'. 

Starting to sound like you were lying again. 

[Yakuda]

On 6/21/2024 at 12:08 PM, Hodad said:

Lol. No one can "require" anyone to believe or follow the 10 commandments. That's literally impossible. And it's also not what the establishment clause proscribes.

The government should use taxpayer money to promote any religion. In constitutional terms, they should not further the establishment of said religion. The government should not force people to consume religious messages. Period. For lots of reasons evident with even a rudimentary logical exercise, but also in plain writing in and around our constitution. 

You simply cannot have freedom of religion in an environment in which the government promotes a religion. "Freedom of" and "freedom from" are two sides of the same coin, and have been since this nation was founded.

People are constantly "forced" to consume all kinds of messages. The govt is by no means establishing a religion. Posting the 10 commandments in no way establishes a religion. Period. 

[Michael Hardner]

19 hours ago, West said:

Cancel culture is vile. 

What is it ?

If you can articulate it in non-political language I'd be interested.  Otherwise, this sentence should just read "Democrats are vile"

[Rebound]

55 minutes ago, Yakuda said:

People are constantly "forced" to consume all kinds of messages. The govt is by no means establishing a religion. Posting the 10 commandments in no way establishes a religion. Period. 

Can you please explain the meaning of the first two of the Ten Commandments?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

Can you please explain the meaning of the first two of the Ten Commandments?

Not complicated. If you believe in that god, then you're not allowed to worship other gods ahead of him.  A more modern interpretation would likely be that while all religions are to be considered valid you can't place one ahead of Christianity in importance. And fair enough. 

The second is a lot harder to say because it really depends on your interpretation but basically it seems to be admonishing idolatry. Nothing wrong with that, idolatry is not a great practice and it's one we do all the time. 

Anything else?

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

What is it ?

If you can articulate it in non-political language I'd be interested.  Otherwise, this sentence should just read "Democrats are vile"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancel_culture

You're welcome.

[Hodad]

4 hours ago, Yakuda said:

People are constantly "forced" to consume all kinds of messages. The govt is by no means establishing a religion. Posting the 10 commandments in no way establishes a religion. Period. 

Yes, it does intend to further the establishment of a religion. Period.   (See how useful those hand-waving proclamations are?)

When you announce that you want every child in every classroom, all day, every day to see a government-sponsored message about the one true god from a specific scripture and tradition (and how sculpture is evil, lol) the intention is to have children absorb that message. And you know it.

Same question to you. Would you support as constitutional state legislation that mandates that every classroom present a banner that reads "Muhammad is the one true prophet."  Or one that reads "There is no god."  Or, "Satan is king."  Would those mandates be legal or constitutional in your view?

Of course you wouldn't. Because you know that those are examples of government endorsement and indoctrination of those religions or of non-religion. You know that it's wrong for the government to tell children what religious beliefs to follow. 

But you will lie about knowing that when the endorsement is one of which you, personally, approve. Perhaps you should spend some time contemplating the ninth commandment?

[Matthew]

I'm a teacher, leftist, and atheist and I don't find this significant or noteworthy. If the government were to put a sign up in my room with religious stuff from the bronze age, I don't see any good or any harm that would come from it.

I live in a red state where republican lawmakers tend to do a lot of pointless stuff like this that uses the coercive power of the government purely for virtue-signaling performance, with seldom any long term policy interest in improving society in any way.

[User]

5 hours ago, Hodad said:

Yes, it does intend to further the establishment of a religion. Period.   (See how useful those hand-waving proclamations are?)

When you announce that you want every child in every classroom, all day, every day to see a government-sponsored message about the one true god from a specific scripture and tradition (and how sculpture is evil, lol) the intention is to have children absorb that message. And you know it.

Same question to you. Would you support as constitutional state legislation that mandates that every classroom present a banner that reads "Muhammad is the one true prophet."  Or one that reads "There is no god."  Or, "Satan is king."  Would those mandates be legal or constitutional in your view?

Of course you wouldn't. Because you know that those are examples of government endorsement and indoctrination of those religions or of non-religion. You know that it's wrong for the government to tell children what religious beliefs to follow. 

But you will lie about knowing that when the endorsement is one of which you, personally, approve. Perhaps you should spend some time contemplating the ninth commandment?

It is comical how forceful you are at proclaiming hanging the 10 Commandments in the classroom to establish a religion... but when it comes to hanging the LGBTQ flag in the classroom... 
 

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, User said:

It is comical how forceful you are at proclaiming hanging the 10 Commandments in the classroom to establish a religion... but when it comes to hanging the LGBTQ flag in the classroom... 
 

Right?   Ohhh hanging the flag doesn't really mean much, we're not indoctrinating kids, children dont' just look at something and suddenly believe in it like thaHEY DON"T YOU DARE PUT UP BIBLE-STUFF, YOU"RE TRYING TO INDOCTRIATE KIDS!! THEY"LL ALL BECOME CHRISTIAN IF YOU DO THAT!!!  (so evil!) 

[User]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Right?   Ohhh hanging the flag doesn't really mean much, we're not indoctrinating kids, children dont' just look at something and suddenly believe in it like thaHEY DON"T YOU DARE PUT UP BIBLE-STUFF, YOU"RE TRYING TO INDOCTRIATE KIDS!! THEY"LL ALL BECOME CHRISTIAN IF YOU DO THAT!!!  (so evil!) 

He played this same dumb game when I proposed we hang the Pro-Life flag in the classroom too. 

 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, User said:

It is comical how forceful you are at proclaiming hanging the 10 Commandments in the classroom to establish a religion... but when it comes to hanging the LGBTQ flag in the classroom... 
 

Posting The Ten Commandments is about establishing Christian supremacy over other religions and indoctrinating kids into Christianity. 
 

Contrary to right wing ideology, the pride flag is not about about establishing LGBTQ supremacy over straight people or indoctrinating kids into becoming LGBTQ 

[User]

3 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Posting The Ten Commandments is about establishing Christian supremacy over other religions and indoctrinating kids into Christianity. 
 

Contrary to right wing ideology, the pride flag is not about about establishing LGBTQ supremacy over straight people or indoctrinating kids into becoming LGBTQ 

Posting The LGBTQ Flag is about establishing LGBTQ supremacy over others and indoctrinating kids into LGBTQ. 
 

Contrary to left wing ideology, the Ten Commandments is not about about establishing supremacy over others or indoctrinating kids into becoming Christians.  

[BeaverFever]

22 minutes ago, User said:

Posting The LGBTQ Flag is about establishing LGBTQ supremacy over others and indoctrinating kids into LGBTQ. 
 

Contrary to left wing ideology, the Ten Commandments is not about about establishing supremacy over others or indoctrinating kids into becoming Christians.  

LOL wrong on both.   What would “LGBTQ supremacy even mean in practical terms LMAO  Tolerating LGBTQ as citizens with equal rights is not making them supreme.  

If posting Ten Commandments is not about Christian supremacy then you’ll support the law also requiring texts from the Koran and other non-Christian religions too right?

Literally the first 4 commandments are about forbidding the practices of other religions…how do you say with a straight face it’s not about Christian supremacy?

Edited June 25, 2024 by BeaverFever

[CdnFox]

39 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Posting The Ten Commandments is about establishing Christian supremacy over other religions and indoctrinating kids into Christianity. 
 

Contrary to right wing ideology, the pride flag is not about about establishing LGBTQ supremacy over straight people or indoctrinating kids into becoming LGBTQ 

Listen to yourself man. 

One symbol is definitely indoctriantion. Another definitely isn't.

That's not the way the universe works, either they both are or they are not, you can't have it be both ways. 

And the STATED purpose of the gay flag IS indoctrination - they want to make sure kids know that homosexuality is normalized and accepted. That's WHY they SAY they want to do it.  

Now we can argueif that'sa  good thing or not but we CAN"T argue that that's the point. 

The 10 commandments are  just a good set of rules to live by whether you're Christian or not and I'm speaking as a non Christian.  

[User]

20 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

LOL wrong...

LOL wrong!

What would “Christian supremacy" even mean in practical terms LMAO  Tolerating Christians as citizens with equal rights is not making them supreme.  

If posting LGBTQ Flags is not about LGBTQ supremacy then you’ll support the law also requiring flags from the Pro-Life movement and others too right?

Literally the LGBTQ flag excludes people who are not LGBTQ or don't agree with the lies it promotes about gender…how do you say with a straight face it’s not about LGBTQ supremacy?

[Hodad]

4 hours ago, User said:

It is comical how forceful you are at proclaiming hanging the 10 Commandments in the classroom to establish a religion... but when it comes to hanging the LGBTQ flag in the classroom... 
 

If you didn't understand it the last dozen times, this is unlikely to do the trick...

Those Christian religious messages (KJV) are explicitly exclusive and hostile to other religions and non-religions. They are unwelcome.

The Pride flag is inclusive. Everyone is welcome to feel pride in whatever they are. There is no explicit message. There is no antagonism or alienation. There is no effort to convert anyone to anything. It doesn't tell people but to be cis or straight. The only thing it symbolizes is that this is a safe space to be yourself even if you are not cis or straight. 

I react to them differently because they are very different. There is no equivalency. Not to mention that one is barred but the Constitution and the other is not. 

 

Edited June 25, 2024 by Hodad

[User]

6 minutes ago, Hodad said:

If you didn't understand it the last dozen times....

 

The LGBTQ Flag is explicitly exclusive and hostile to non LGBTQ people. As you have repeatedly demonstrated, they are not welcome if they don't behave and accept the LGBTQ flag. 

The LGBTQ Flag was specifically created for LGBTQ people and its further iterations to include very specific sub groups to the exclusion of all others. It was created with an explicit message, you literally just tried to define one. There is most definitely an effort to convert others to LGBTQ ideology, as you have demonstrated repeatedly here, that we must all accept and behave the way you demand we do. It certainly is not safe for those who accept basic biological truth. 

 

[Rebound]

8 hours ago, User said:

The LGBTQ Flag is explicitly exclusive and hostile to non LGBTQ people. As you have repeatedly demonstrated, they are not welcome if they don't behave and accept the LGBTQ flag. 

The LGBTQ Flag was specifically created for LGBTQ people and its further iterations to include very specific sub groups to the exclusion of all others. It was created with an explicit message, you literally just tried to define one. There is most definitely an effort to convert others to LGBTQ ideology, as you have demonstrated repeatedly here, that we must all accept and behave the way you demand we do. It certainly is not safe for those who accept basic biological truth. 

 

What is LGBTQ “ideology”? That they should be treated equally and the same as everyone else? Why is that such a Big Struggle for you? Is it because you fight so hard to resist your own gay urges?

I have no problem with homosexuals. They don’t threaten my masculinity or sexuality. I’ve had men try to pick me up, but I’m not interested and that’s that. It’s no big deal. You screw who you want and they’ll screw who they want.

MEANWHILE: Can you please tell us the meaning of the first two of the Ten Commandments?

[User]

22 minutes ago, Rebound said:

What is LGBTQ “ideology”? That they should be treated equally and the same as everyone else? Why is that such a Big Struggle for you? Is it because you fight so hard to resist your own gay urges?

Do you support straight pride flags in the classroom too? 

23 minutes ago, Rebound said:

I have no problem with homosexuals. They don’t threaten my masculinity or sexuality. I’ve had men try to pick me up, but I’m not interested and that’s that. It’s no big deal. You screw who you want and they’ll screw who they want.

The fact that you have to make this public proclamation makes me wonder... you feeling guilty about something?

[Michael Hardner]

Equating LGBTQ+ to a religion is antii-conservative anti-freedom trolling, and nothing but.

Religions that constitute around 80% of the world's population incorporate some kind of supernatural force in the universe for one thing.  LGBTQ+ is a set of moral beliefs that sweeps away religious prejudices.  It's is no more a religion than the science of evolution, or anti-slavery morality is.

@Rebound if you are posting to educate or entertain then please do fill your cup but I see discussion as a mutual teaching/learning cycle.  If you do also you will remain thirsty after your exchange here.

[User]

14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Equating LGBTQ+ to a religion is antii-conservative anti-freedom trolling, and nothing but.

Religions that constitute around 80% of the world's population incorporate some kind of supernatural force in the universe for one thing.  LGBTQ+ is a set of moral beliefs that sweeps away religious prejudices.  It's is no more a religion than the science of evolution, or anti-slavery morality is.

@Rebound if you are posting to educate or entertain then please do fill your cup but I see discussion as a mutual teaching/learning cycle.  If you do also you will remain thirsty after your exchange here.

Poor Michael... ignored me but still has to see other people responding to me. 

I was not equating LGBTQ+ to religion. What is trolling is you mischaracterizing my arguments while ignoring me and then trying to get others to do the same. 

What I was clearly doing was comparing the placing of LGBTQ symbols like the Pride flag in the classroom as compared to the 10 commandments, pointing out the duplicity behind the reasoning to oppose the 10 Commandments while having no issues with things like the LGBTQ flag. 

LGBTQ brings it own prejudices. 

 

 

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, User said:

Do you support straight pride flags in the classroom too? 

The fact that you have to make this public proclamation makes me wonder... you feeling guilty about something?

I don’t have any problem with homosexuality. Consenting sex between two or more adults is their own business. If I felt like having sex with other men, I probably would have. The limits: Sex must be consensual and it must be between consenting adults. Apart rom that, do what you want; that’s what freedom is.

I do have a problem with discrimination. The purpose of the pride flag is to promote equality. A White Pride flag would not serve the purpose of promoting equality. 

THIRD REQUEST: Can you please tell us the meaning of the first two of the Ten Commandments?

Edited June 25, 2024 by Rebound

[User]

18 minutes ago, Rebound said:

I don’t have any problem with homosexuality. Consenting sex between two or more adults is their own business. If I felt like having sex with other men, I probably would have. The limits: Sex must be consensual and it must be between consenting adults. Apart rom that, do what you want; that’s what freedom is.

You must really be feeling guilty... you keep having to tell us you don't have any issues with homosexuality. 

19 minutes ago, Rebound said:

I do have a problem with discrimination. The purpose of the pride flag is to promote equality. A White Pride flag would not serve the purpose of promoting equality. 

Really, you have a problem with discrimination? So, you would support the 10 Commandements in the classroom if it was not a law forcing it, but rather, just the local school / teacher making that decision on their own?

The purpose of the pride flag is to force indoctrination onto students. 

I did not ask you about a "white pride" flag. I asked you about a straight pride flag. Although, a white pride flag would serve just as much purpose in promoting equality in the classroom, now that you mention it. You say you support equality, but apparently, white people can't have pride? So much for equality. 

 

21 minutes ago, Rebound said:

THIRD REQUEST: Can you please tell us the meaning of the first two of the Ten Commandments?

I do believe this is the first time you have directed this comment towards me. Why are you asking me this question?

[impartialobserver]

37 minutes ago, Rebound said:

I don’t have any problem with homosexuality. Consenting sex between two or more adults is their own business. If I felt like having sex with other men, I probably would have. The limits: Sex must be consensual and it must be between consenting adults. Apart rom that, do what you want; that’s what freedom is.

I do have a problem with discrimination. The purpose of the pride flag is to promote equality. A White Pride flag would not serve the purpose of promoting equality. 

THIRD REQUEST: Can you please tell us the meaning of the first two of the Ten Commandments?

Helpful hint... the poster that you are directing this request/question will never answer it directly.