The Ten Commandments to be posted in Louisiana schools, lefties go bananas

[West]

7 hours ago, User said:

No, I am not like that at all. You were the one who asserted some freedom "from" religion nonsense here as a right, when there is no such thing. 

Except... the government has never remained free of religion in its entire existence. Please define what exactly you mean by free of religion and how that translates into freedom "from" it.

Well, no, there are plenty of questions and debate around the extent to which the establishment clause functions... as we are here debating it and the precedents for this are not black and white like you seem to be arguing. 

 

Exactly. 

Plus the whole separation of church and state argument being brought in is pretty ignorant of the facts. Nobody is codifying Christianity as the official religion of the state which is really what separation of church and state is. 

It IS NOT grounds for eliminating Christianity or any other religion from the public square and shoving them into a corner so they can't support policy based on their religious belief

[User]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

From what anyone can understand of your idi0tic post, I can promise you that as an atheist I fully support keeping religious bullshit away from everyone. Too bad your bible-thumping Christian Taliban conservatives can’t promise the same. 

Yeah, we get that you are such an anti-religious bigot that you want to keep religion away from everyone... 

You seem to have no issues shoving your bigotry in others' faces, though. 

[Aristides]

[Michael Hardner]

The State can and does convey and educate students on the morality of the commons.  Indeed if we couldn't, how could we elevate the nation and community values as being worthwhile.

What we can't do is elevate Deism or aspects of it such as sabbaths or cultural prohibitions.

You can't teach the Commandments because they are full of these, apart from... honour your parents and don't kill, steal or lie.

Our collective morality has improved on these simple ideas over 5000 years or so.  Moral progressivism is essential to our humanity and is even fuel for this board.

But Deism is a personal matter and parents' rights material.  You have no more right to teach my children that g-d exists than teaching that he doesn't.

 

[BeaverFever]

9 hours ago, User said:

Yeah, we get that you are such an anti-religious bigot that you want to keep religion away from everyone... 

You seem to have no issues shoving your bigotry in others' faces, though. 

Nope, you want to be religious go ahead but don’t force it on others through measures like the Republican idi0cy described in the OP
 

Thats not bigotry or shoving it in others face, it the opposite. How do you not understand that?

13 hours ago, West said:

You dismantled nothing 😆

I dismantled your ridiculous assertions. 

[West]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Nope, you want to be religious go ahead but don’t force it on others through measures like the Republican idi0cy described in the OP
 

Thats not bigotry or shoving it in others face, it the opposite. How do you not understand that?

I dismantled your ridiculous assertions. 

Only in your mind sir

[West]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The State can and does convey and educate students on the morality of the commons.  Indeed if we couldn't, how could we elevate the nation and community values as being worthwhile.

What we can't do is elevate Deism or aspects of it such as sabbaths or cultural prohibitions.

You can't teach the Commandments because they are full of these, apart from... honour your parents and don't kill, steal or lie.

Our collective morality has improved on these simple ideas over 5000 years or so.  Moral progressivism is essential to our humanity and is even fuel for this board.

But Deism is a personal matter and parents' rights material.  You have no more right to teach my children that g-d exists than teaching that he doesn't.

 

Maybe but religious material is already allowed in schools. Just don't know why it triggers sensitive people that Christianity would be allowed as well. 

[User]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Nope, you want to be religious go ahead but don’t force it on others through measures like the Republican idi0cy described in the OP
 

Thats not bigotry or shoving it in others face, it the opposite. How do you not understand that?

I am talking about what you are doing here. You have no problems shoving it in our faces. 

No one is forcing anyone to be religious here by posting a copy of the 10 Commandments on the wall. Read it or don't, abide by it or don't. 

[Rebound]

9 hours ago, Aristides said:

[User]

34 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Funny... but if you read the law, they clearly proscribe what is supposed to be written in English verbatim. 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, West said:

Maybe but religious material is already allowed in schools. Just don't know why it triggers sensitive people that Christianity would be allowed as well. 

What kind of material are you referring to?  And the Ten Commandments aren't Christian in origin either...

[West]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

What kind of material are you referring to?  And the Ten Commandments aren't Christian in origin either...

Much of the counseling your child receives these days is rooted in confusionism/Buddhism  as one example. Another is native medicine wheel teachings which are part of the curriculum. 

Agreed as with your second point as I've already said in this thread already

Edited June 21, 2024 by West

[Hodad]

41 minutes ago, User said:

Funny... but if you read the law, they clearly proscribe what is supposed to be written in English verbatim. 

🙄So they're not just violating the establishment clause by promoting one particular faith, but one specific version of the bible. Crazier still.

[Michael Hardner]

34 minutes ago, West said:

Much of the counseling your child receives these days is rooted in confusionism/Buddhism  as one example. Another is native medicine wheel teachings which are part of the curriculum. 

Almost all of it is rooted in Christian teaching and that's not a bad thing either.

Putting the actual scripture up is turning the clock back though.

Edited June 21, 2024 by Michael Hardner

[West]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Almost all of it is rooted in Christian teaching and that's not a bad thing either.

Putting the actual scripture up is turning the clock back though.

Why?

I remember being in school and there was Confuscious quotes on the walls and stories about a man standing on the backs of a turtle and forming North America. 

So Christians are supposed to tolerate this but others won't tolerate the ten commandments which form the moral framework for alot of Jews, Christians and Muslims? 

Sounds an awful lot like cultural genocide

Edited June 21, 2024 by West

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, West said:

Why?

I remember being in school and there was Confuscious quotes on the walls and stories about a man standing on the backs of a turtle and forming North America. 

So Christians are supposed to tolerate this but others won't tolerate the ten commandments which form the moral framework for alot of Jews, Christians and Muslims? 

Why what ?  Nobody is teaching the kids that the turtle actually happened.  They can teach the history of our moral sphere in context but not that it's truth.

[West]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Why what ?  Nobody is teaching the kids that the turtle actually happened.  They can teach the history of our moral sphere in context but not that it's truth.

The point is they already have incorporated everyone else's teachings into the classroom but Christians are told they cannot because their teachings are "immoral". 

[Deluge]

On 6/20/2024 at 8:49 AM, impartialobserver said:

If I lived in Louisiana.. I would simply move. No need to be outraged and protest. I would quietly get another job and move. 

And I just want to thank you for doing the right thing, partialobserver.  

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, West said:

The point is they already have incorporated everyone else's teachings into the classroom but Christians are told they cannot because their teachings are "immoral". 

Nobody said that, except for an unofficial moonbat or other.  Pretty much everything taught in the classroom as well as how instruction happens is based on the fundamental Christian philosophy including inclusion.  Whether you agree with their interpretation (or mine) of Christianity is an entirely different point.  

[Rebound]

14 hours ago, West said:

Exactly. 

Plus the whole separation of church and state argument being brought in is pretty ignorant of the facts. Nobody is codifying Christianity as the official religion of the state which is really what separation of church and state is. 

It IS NOT grounds for eliminating Christianity or any other religion from the public square and shoving them into a corner so they can't support policy based on their religious belief

It does not matter that the Ten Commandments were appropriated from Judaism by Christians and Muslims. It is still religious.  Read the first two commandments.  
 

Americans are free to teach their children religion as they see fit and the public schools should not proscribe any religion. 

[Rebound]

5 minutes ago, West said:

The point is they already have incorporated everyone else's teachings into the classroom but Christians are told they cannot because their teachings are "immoral". 

If you’re an observant Christian, why are you lying?

Theres no law that says schools must display a poster of the noble truths of Buddhism, or statues of the gods of Hinduism, or Native American spirit warriors.  And those laws would be unconstitutional as well.  
 

You’re pretending that you cannot overturn 75+ years of judicial findings, you’re being “persecuted.”  But being denied the “right” to impose your religion upon others is not persecution, it’s the exact opposite.  Teach your kids whatever religion you want and keep my kids out of it.  

[robosmith]

4 minutes ago, Deluge said:

And I just want to thank you for doing the right thing, partialobserver.  

He's NOT DOING ANYTHING, lDIOT.

[robosmith]

55 minutes ago, West said:

Much of the counseling your child receives these days is rooted in confusionism/Buddhism  as one example. Another is native medicine wheel teachings which are part of the curriculum. 

Agreed as with your second point as I've already said in this thread already

Teaching the HISTORY of religions is NOT unConstitutional. Pushing a religion's DOGMA is.

[Deluge]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

He's NOT DOING ANYTHING, lDIOT.

Yet. 

Now f*ck off and go play with your Pat and Pat non-binary rainbow dolls. 

[West]

8 minutes ago, Rebound said:

It does not matter that the Ten Commandments were appropriated from Judaism by Christians and Muslims. It is still religious.  Read the first two commandments.  
 

Americans are free to teach their children religion as they see fit and the public schools should not proscribe any religion. 

But they do.. thats the point. 

Posting and teaching 10 commandments is no different than teaching mindfulness. 

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Teaching the HISTORY of religions is NOT unConstitutional. Pushing a religion's DOGMA is.

They push dogma all the time. 

You can be a Buddhist and you can teach your mindfulness