A conundrum for the Republican convention: history's first

[myata]

To nominate a convicted felon, machinations, deceit and bribery to the post of the leader of the nation and the free world? Or not to nominate? The question.

Sure, a (stinky and shameful) milestone in the history of the American democracy. But also: an entirely logical and predictable outcome. When you give in to insanity; to a loudmouth authoritarian cult mob bit by bit and piece by piece, in the hope to tame it and run for your ends: doesn't it always fire back? Like, always?

See? Bombastic liars are always around. It's not about them, but what do you do, and how, and why.

It was so easy to avoid, sticking to the principles and integrity but oh well. Yes, an interesting one to watch. A landmark juncture.

Edited May 31, 2024 by myata

[gatomontes99]

There is no conundrum. The unDemocratic party got their banana republic conviction. Now the gloves come off. I'm no longer going to be civil to anyone that supports the power lust of the unDemocratic party. If you claim to be a Biden supporter, expect to be told what a piece of human garbage you are. If you have a Biden sticker on your car, you are getting brake checked. If you have a Biden sign in your yard, expect to get a TRUMP tag on your driveway.

I'm done with the left. Everyone that supports this b.s. needs to go to Cuba, Iran, China, Russia or anywhere else that this is acceptable. You are not American of you supported this.

[myata]

You see, these folks seem to live on another planet in some alternate universe, how else could one explain what they see? Twelve ordinary citizens, countrymen and women made this conviction. They were selected by the lawyers of both sides. That's just not what seem to have happened on their planet! The proof of extraterrestrial non-human intelligence, right here.

[gatomontes99]

The alternate universe is called reality. Find a portal and come over here.

[myata]

See? Now we only need to find someone up to the challenge of establishing intelligent contact with the species. Could take a few centuries though.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, myata said:

You see, these folks seem to live on another planet in some alternate universe, how else could one explain what they see? Twelve ordinary citizens, countrymen and women made this conviction. They were selected by the lawyers of both sides. That's just not what seem to have happened on their planet! The proof of extraterrestrial non-human intelligence, right here.

I'm pretty sure that the adults living in the real world saw the "extra crime" get tacked on after the trial, and before deliberation, which Trump and his lawyers never even got to defend against.

I'm sure that the adults living in the real world saw the FEC chair - the country's most important witness in this case - banned from the courtroom while a known perjurer took the stand. 

You're trying to start an important dialogue about the planet's foremost "democracy" while pretending this wasn't a sham trial... 

Grow up myata. This isn't a joke anymore, and this bogus conviction was more than just some punchline: it's a broadside against democracy. 

If you're keeping stock, leftists are now completely fine with police committing crimes to start show trials against political opponents, convicting political opponents in farcical trials, assuming gov't control of the media in Ukraine, and banning opposition parties in Ukraine, etc. You guys are on a fascist rampage and yet you still think of yourselves as decent people. 

Edited May 31, 2024 by WestCanMan

[Fluffypants]

2 hours ago, myata said:

You see, these folks seem to live on another planet in some alternate universe, how else could one explain what they see? Twelve ordinary citizens, countrymen and women made this conviction. They were selected by the lawyers of both sides. That's just not what seem to have happened on their planet! The proof of extraterrestrial non-human intelligence, right here.

They weren't chosen by lawyers on both sides, see if 8 out of 10 are Democrats in Manhatten you get a pool of 100 80 should be Democrats and 20 should be Republicans. Each side gets only so many vetos without cause and the judge gets to determine who should be dismissed with cause. Since this case is political in nature, lets not kid ourselves here if the defendents name wasn't Trump he would never of been indicted, every lever  was used was against Trump.

Judge was a Democrat whose daughter owns a company that literally does fundraising for Democrats only, he had clear conflict of interest in the first degree.

 

[myata]

11 minutes ago, Fluffypants said:

They weren't chosen by lawyers on both sides,

The fact is, as someone noted, just one Republican on the jury who could have thought that the case is politically motivated could have hung it. You see, it just wouldnt' connect. You would see it right away, the only two things needed are the eyes that see at least some of the reality honestly and objectively and a bit of the brain that still works.

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, myata said:

The fact is, as someone noted, just one Republican on the jury who could have thought that the case is politically motivated could have hung it. You see, it just wouldnt' connect. You would see it right away, the only two things needed are the eyes that see at least some of the reality honestly and objectively and a bit of the brain that still works.

There's almost no way there were no Republicans based on pure chance.  And so maybe objectivity is still a thing.

[Hodad]

6 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

There is no conundrum. The unDemocratic party got their banana republic conviction. Now the gloves come off. I'm no longer going to be civil to anyone that supports the power lust of the unDemocratic party. If you claim to be a Biden supporter, expect to be told what a piece of human garbage you are. If you have a Biden sticker on your car, you are getting brake checked. If you have a Biden sign in your yard, expect to get a TRUMP tag on your driveway.

I'm done with the left. Everyone that supports this b.s. needs to go to Cuba, Iran, China, Russia or anywhere else that this is acceptable. You are not American of you supported this.

This is the new flag of fools everywhere?

You're going to risk a traffic accident because a criminal was convicted of his crimes? 

What a buffoon.

[Nefarious Banana]

26 minutes ago, myata said:

The fact is, as someone noted, just one Republican on the jury who could have thought that the case is politically motivated could have hung it. You see, it just wouldnt' connect. You would see it right away, the only two things needed are the eyes that see at least some of the reality honestly and objectively and a bit of the brain that still works.

Thirty-four convictions in one day . . . a lot of thought and deliberation went into that  outcome.  Trial was a sham.

[myata]

9 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Trial was a sham.

Is it some kind of an epidemic? Jurors deliberated and decided - or "trial"? Jurors are "a sham"? Justice is "a sham" if doesn't go the way I like?

Do they know still what this is about? It takes a piece of a working brain; maybe a small one, but still working. Nothing would work without that small part.

Edited May 31, 2024 by myata

[herbie]

Listen to the bawlings of the Russian troll, American traitors and the mentally and morally challenged in their desperate attempt to keep their dream alive.
If the 'party of law and order" does not disqualify Trump as a candidate it will be ended forever. Destroyed by one single man.
Imagine a country where felons are routinely disenfranchised, but can run for President. Sick, sad.
Imagine one with citizens so dysfunctional gangs of miscreants thinking braying even louder will make a majority of citizens so deluded they'd support an actual criminal as their leader.
Sorry, the USA is not Putin's Russia, the for the GOP to get behind a new candidate or it will be blown away so badly it will makes the Whigs look good in history books.
 

[I am Groot]

The irony of this election is that if they tossed Trump and put in almost ANYONE else, even Pence, they'd kick Biden's ass - as he deserves, and send him to the retirement home and Harris back to California. Probably win both houses easily too.

But they won't do it.

Of course, the other part of the irony is if the Democrats got ridden of Biden/Harris and put any reasonably moderate person in to replace them they'd kick Trump's ass, and probably take both houses.

Nobody likes either of these guys. One because he's too old and represents the identity politics tribe and the other because he's too lacking in almost everything needed to be president.

[Nefarious Banana]

American politics are 'comic relief' and a therapeutic divirsion from the Canadian federal Liberal fiasco.  Enjoy the Yankee sideshow for a while, learn to smile for the moment before coming to the reality of the Canadian leftard federal government and the truly brain-dead voters that support Trudeau and his band of penguins . . . Thank you America !

[myata]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Of course, the other part of the irony is if the Democrats got ridden of Biden/Harris and put any reasonably moderate person in to replace them they'd kick Trump's ass, and probably take both houses.

Only it isn't the irony but the logical end product of the partisan, binary system. It worked itself to the end and now can only produce the same broken tape, like a worn out gramophone. It couldn't see and understand what's happening around it, it makes no difference whatsoever bzzz bzzz bzzz.

[cougar]

10 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

I'm done with the left. Everyone that supports this b.s. needs to go to Cuba, Iran, China, Russia or anywhere else that this is acceptable. You are not American of you supported this.

I personally do not care if you are left or right, but what is the justification for supporting a convicted felon ??

It is not about a Stormy Daniels and sex as he wants us to believe.  It is about fraud, lies, manipulations, intimidation and trying to cling to power in the face of it all.

Do yourselves a favor, put this buffoon in jail ASAP and elect a person with dignity and credibility.

This fat piece of trash should have been dealt with the moment he claimed how he was grabbing women by the p* because when you have power you can do that.

Edited June 1, 2024 by cougar

[myata]

Just not fit. Period. Those things, the eyes and the brain they exist for a reason.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

There's almost no way there were no Republicans based on pure chance.  And so maybe objectivity is still a thing.

In new york? In that district?  Statistically if you had 12 groups of 12 you'd still only have about 8 republicans total.  It is entirely likely that there are no republicans in that jury. 

That's why they wanted to change venues.  But were denied. 

[CdnFox]

31 minutes ago, cougar said:

I personally do not care if you are left or right, but what is the justification for supporting a convicted felon ??

Mandella was a convicted felon. It's not quite that simple. 

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It is not about a Stormy Daniels and sex as he wants us to believe.  It is about fraud, lies, manipulations, intimidation and trying to cling to power in the face of it all.

That's pretty much entirely false. It's about inflating an accounting issue into being a crime through legal trickery that has never ever been done in the history of the US legal system prior to this in what appears to be a personal effort by a judge and prosecutor to use the courts to suppress a political rival, something both ran on when they were elected to their positions. 

And that's why there's a very real chance this is going to blow up in their face politically. 

[gatomontes99]

43 minutes ago, cougar said:

I personally do not care if you are left or right, but what is the justification for supporting a convicted felon ??

It is not about a Stormy Daniels and sex as he wants us to believe.  It is about fraud, lies, manipulations, intimidation and trying to cling to power in the face of it all.

Do yourselves a favor, put this buffoon in jail ASAP and elect a person with dignity and credibility.

This fat piece of trash should have been dealt with the moment he claimed how he was grabbing women by the p* because when you have power you can do that.

You just told me you know nothing about the trial.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The irony of this election is that if they tossed Trump and put in almost ANYONE else, even Pence, they'd kick Biden's ass - as he deserves, and send him to the retirement home and Harris back to California. Probably win both houses easily too.

But they won't do it.

Of course, the other part of the irony is if the Democrats got ridden of Biden/Harris and put any reasonably moderate person in to replace them they'd kick Trump's ass, and probably take both houses.

Nobody likes either of these guys. One because he's too old and represents the identity politics tribe and the other because he's too lacking in almost everything needed to be president.

Biden got put in because bernie sanders was about to win the nomination and even the dems realized they couldnt' win with an actual communist running.  So he was the 'compromise candidate'. 

Trump is getting a second go at it because  a lot of republicans truly believe that the last election was stolen and this will be righting a wrong.  A sentiment the current dems aren't exactly helping by trying to put their political rival in jail on nonsense charges. 

Frankly I don't see either of them being particularly great candidates. Their policies aside I find both of them are divisive, polarizing and dishonest. But of the two I do find the democrats to be more of a threat to democracy by an order of magnitude compared to trump. What they're doing with the courts right now, and not just in this case, is beyond 'anti democratic'. 

[myata]

Looks like we have another affected: its the jurors, fellow citizens gave the verdict in this case not some "democrats". Ohoh. Not enough brain power to resist the epidemic. Only just missed the 10%. So sad 😞

[CdnFox]

50 minutes ago, myata said:

Looks like we have another affected: its the jurors, fellow citizens gave the verdict in this case not some "democrats". Ohoh. Not enough brain power to resist the epidemic. Only just missed the 10%. So sad 😞

I see that your understanding of how courts work is almost as poor as your understanding of how English works.

The jury is obliged to follow the instructions of the judge. It is already been noted that the judges instructions are, to say the least, extremely unusual and favor a guilty verdict heavily.

If you tell someone that they have to choose a b or c, and then say they're not allowed to choose a and if they choose B you're going to take it as them choosing c anyway, then it's not quite so much of the free choice that you are suggesting.  

I know, all of this stuff goes over your head. I swear to god you must be shorter than a Smurf.

 

Edited June 1, 2024 by CdnFox

[cougar]

3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

You just told me you know nothing about the trial.

I do not even have to.

There is a judge and jury that I have full faith in.

I also have my own two eyes, two ears and a bit of grey matter in my head that allows me to think 😃