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55 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1a) from CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/30/politics/trump-awaits-jury-verdict-analysis/index.html

  • As Merchan explained, the ex-president is facing 34 charges of falsifying business records. Such an act is only a misdemeanor in New York. To convict Trump of a felony, therefore, the jury must also find that he falsified the documents to hide another crime. Prosecutors are not required to prove a secondary crime took place or even to nail down exactly what it is. In this case, the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office raised the possibility of tax law infringements and the intent to falsify other documents and suggested Trump may have wanted to violate election law using “unlawful” means to deprive someone else of an election win.

Trump was charged with misdemeanours, but even if he was being charged with felonies, the stautue of limitations was exceeded in 2022. This trial had no legitimate basis.

1b) Those alleged crimes were past their due date. This trial had to be held in 2021 in order for it to be legitimate. The jury didn't fid Trump guilty of anything within the state of NY's purview. 

Can you tell me how NY State is trying Trump for misdemeanours from 2016? Even if they were upgraded to felonies, they passed their statute of limitations in 2021. 

2.) https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/key-trump-witness-nixed-after-merchan-s-stringent-rulings-reveals-what-his-testimony-would-have-been/ar-BB1mNALM

  • Former President Trump’s legal team was slated to call on a former commissioner of the Federal Election Commission to testify in the NY v. Trump case, but the expert’s testimony was not heard after the presiding judge curbed the scope of what he could discuss before the jury. 

What's the point of calling a witness who can't talk?

The perjurer and the porn star were allowed to go on at length, but the country's most knowledgeable expert on the topic of election finance laws was supposed to keep his trap shut? 

That's kangaroo court BS, and you know it.

This is exactly the silliness I'm talking about. You honestly believe that any trial--let alone a trial of this magnitude--proceeded without any concern for the statute of limitations? Really? Or are you just blindly repeating Trump's unhinged spin?

That matter was asked and answered in pre-trial. The COVID extensions (nothing to do with Trump) mean that this case was filed within the extended statute. Trump's absence from the state would also allow, but it's not necessary because of the extensions. 

Like any witness, some topics are constrained. Same was true for Cohen 

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6 hours ago, West said:

So he was gagged from providing a legitimate piece of information 

No, from irrelevant opinion. I suppose you listened to Trump's whining, but didn't read the Judge's ruling, which is publicly available?

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2 minutes ago, Hodad said:

No, from irrelevant opinion. I suppose you listened to Trump's whining, but didn't read the Judge's ruling, which is publicly available?

How is it irrelevant? They were weighting Cohens testimony as a convicted felon to something not even a crime according to the SEC and speaks to motive and intent. 

Not to mention they made the defense go first not even fully knowing the charges. Bizarre

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52 minutes ago, West said:

How is it irrelevant? They were weighting Cohens testimony as a convicted felon to something not even a crime according to the SEC and speaks to motive and intent. 

Not to mention they made the defense go first not even fully knowing the charges. Bizarre

Is Smith somehow an expert in falsified business records? Is he an expert on NY law prohibiting fraud to deprive someone of elected office? No, of course not. So not relevant. 

Smith could have testified that hush money is not an FEC violation, but Trump was not charged for paying hush money. He was charged with illegal acts undertaken to conceal the hush money. If he had just paid it legally there would have been no problem. And, as Merchan explained, the prosecution would have simply brought in their own expert and giving the jury dueling expert opinion on a non-critical question is just confusing them with a sideshow.

And, again, you are patently incorrect. The defense knew every single charge before closing and had known them for over a year. There were no new charges. Just the same 34 counts we've known for over a year.

 

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1 hour ago, West said:

How is it irrelevant? They were weighting Cohens testimony as a convicted felon to something not even a crime according to the SEC and speaks to motive and intent. 

The SEC has nothing to do with this.

1 hour ago, West said:

Not to mention they made the defense go first not even fully knowing the charges. Bizarre

Why do you keep listening to FOS LIES?

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4 hours ago, Rebound said:

You so dumb, you think the President controls state prosecutors and judges. 

You're so God-damned stupid, you think that Joe Biden doesn't control state prosecutors and judges. 

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2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Is Smith somehow an expert in falsified business records? Is he an expert on NY law prohibiting fraud to deprive someone of elected office? No, of course not. So not relevant. 

Smith is literally America's foremost expert on laws prohibiting election fraud, dummy. How could you possibly not know that? Are you Joe Biden? Don't you have more important things to screw up right now than this forum?

You go ahead and pay close heed to the Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohens of the world if you want Mr Biden, nothing would surprise me less. You watch CNN and call it "the news" ffs.

I disregard the people and institutions that you cling to for the same reason that I don't consider an unflushed toilet a punchbowl. 

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15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Smith is literally America's foremost expert on laws prohibiting election fraud, dummy. How could you possibly not know that? Are you Joe Biden? Don't you have more important things to screw up right now than this forum?

You go ahead and pay close heed to the Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohens of the world if you want Mr Biden, nothing would surprise me less. You watch CNN and call it "the news" ffs.

I disregard the people and institutions that you cling to for the same reason that I don't consider an unflushed toilet a punchbowl. 

A. "America's foremost expert." Lol. Dude, just because Trump says it doesn't mean you have to repeat it, Dummy. --I'm sure he's very esteemed, but at least a dozen people have held the same position this century alone. If you didn't think there are different opinions you're kidding yourself. 

B. Trump wasn't charged with FEC violations or with "election fraud." So why do you think he should have testified on those subjects? Seems like you're making the case for Merchan.

Try thinking for yourself instead of just regurgitating Trump's demonstrably false talking points. 

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3 hours ago, Hodad said:

Is Smith somehow an expert in falsified business records? Is he an expert on NY law prohibiting fraud to deprive someone of elected office? No, of course not. So not relevant. 

Smith could have testified that hush money is not an FEC violation, but Trump was not charged for paying hush money. He was charged with illegal acts undertaken to conceal the hush money. If he had just paid it legally there would have been no problem. And, as Merchan explained, the prosecution would have simply brought in their own expert and giving the jury dueling expert opinion on a non-critical question is just confusing them with a sideshow.

And, again, you are patently incorrect. The defense knew every single charge before closing and had known them for over a year. There were no new charges. Just the same 34 counts we've known for over a year.

 

The business records that Cohen drafted? 

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3 hours ago, West said:

The business records that Cohen drafted? 

No, the business records Trump's company faked to hide the reimbursements to Cohen. You can actually see the documents if you're interested.

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10 hours ago, Rebound said:

You so dumb, you think the President controls state prosecutors and judges. 

You know one of the prosecutors worked for biden and the dems till trump announced he'd run again right? then the guy magically quit and went to work for the prosecutor who a month or so later launched the charges. 

Just coincidence i'm sure. 

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On 5/30/2024 at 3:44 PM, West said:

The 30 whatever charges were basically just writing realistically two or three charges a bunch of different ways. 

The reason why I think it's a sham is because to the average observer it would seem he did something very very wrong 30 something charges wrong. It's written for effect which is sad and pathetic for a functioning democracy to be doing this. 

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They see he banged a porn star, think it's repugnant then excuse this nonsense because they have no idea what's even happening

 

It is like you never ever watched any criminal cases.   It is very typical for just about any case to end up with 30 to 50 different criminal charges.

Why do you think the US is a banana republic just because they had a successful case against a corrupt former president?

I thought the US was a banana republic when they went to war against Iraq claiming Iraq had nuclear weapons and then showed the bombings on their TV like it was some sort of show.   It is a banana republic when out of 400 million Americans they had three "viable" president nominees in the past 10 some years  - Trump, Biden and Hilary.  It is a banana republic when they have so many people in poverty, can't stop the flow of Mexicans and other refugees like they do not want to, don't seem to be able to compete in productivity with other nations and expect to stay afloat by military power and always increasing their national debt limit.

As for Trump, yes he banged the porn star , grabbed women by the p* which is repugnant and should have disqualified him from running for president, but then he decided to manipulate the public opinion by bribing the porn star and it turns out this was a criminal offense.    Too bad.   He should have known that, but maybe he is that stupid.

 

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9 minutes ago, cougar said:

It is like you never ever watched any criminal cases.   It is very typical for just about any case to end up with 30 to 50 different criminal charges.

Why do you think the US is a banana republic just because they had a successful case against a corrupt former president?

I thought the US was a banana republic when they went to war against Iraq claiming Iraq had nuclear weapons and then showed the bombings on their TV like it was some sort of show.   It is a banana republic when out of 400 million Americans they had three "viable" president nominees in the past 10 some years  - Trump, Biden and Hilary.  It is a banana republic when they have so many people in poverty, can't stop the flow of Mexicans and other refugees like they do not want to, don't seem to be able to compete in productivity with other nations and expect to stay afloat by military power and always increasing their national debt limit.

As for Trump, yes he banged the porn star , grabbed women by the p* which is repugnant and should have disqualified him from running for president, but then he decided to manipulate the public opinion by bribing the porn star and it turns out this was a criminal offense.    Too bad.   He should have known that, but maybe he is that stupid.

 

I find your response repugnant. All this nonsense over where the guy filed a line on a form. Meanwhile you have a president getting BJs in his office, another guy targeting civilians with drones and dropping a pallet of cash to Iran, and the current guy who's alleged to have raped a woman as a Senator who now lives in exile

 

THIS is why I consider America to be a banana republic

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7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You're so God-damned stupid, you think that Joe Biden doesn't control state prosecutors and judges. 

You're so God-damned stupid, you believe your gratuitous OPINIONS mean something.

Show us the EVIDENCE, IF you can.

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4 minutes ago, West said:

I find your response repugnant. All this nonsense over where the guy filed a line on a form. Meanwhile you have a president getting BJs in his office, another guy targeting civilians with drones and dropping a pallet of cash to Iran, and the current guy who's alleged to have raped a woman as a Senator who now lives in exile

 

THIS is why I consider America to be a banana republic

Now that makes sense. You call America juvenile names because you're completely IGNORANT about history. Probably due to watching ONLY FOS LIES where they're so dishonest the got caught to the tune of $800M penalty. LMAO

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6 hours ago, Hodad said:

A. "America's foremost expert." Lol. Dude, just because Trump says it doesn't mean you have to repeat it, Dummy. --I'm sure he's very esteemed, but at least a dozen people have held the same position this century alone. If you didn't think there are different opinions you're kidding yourself. 

B. Trump wasn't charged with FEC violations or with "election fraud." So why do you think he should have testified on those subjects? Seems like you're making the case for Merchan.

Try thinking for yourself instead of just regurgitating Trump's demonstrably false talking points. 

Gawd you're stupid.

The transactions that were allegedly fraudulent were just misdemeanours. In order to be considered felonies the jury had to believe that they were part of an election fraud.

The chair of the FEC is the ultimate authority on whether or not election laws were violated. Dummy. 

If the Dems (prosecutors, judges... you know... Demi stooges) really wanted to 'prove' that Trump was guilty of election fraud they could have called upon the expert testimony of one of the "dozen" peple you cited, but they didn't. For some reason they didn't want expert witnesses, just Stormy and Cohen lol. 

Face it, the Demonrats are a bunch of God-damned lowlife weasels and you're their lackey. 

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7 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Now that makes sense. You call America juvenile names because you're completely IGNORANT about history. Probably due to watching ONLY FOS LIES where they're so dishonest the got caught to the tune of $800M penalty. LMAO

No I call it a third world shit hole. Especially now under a man who's rape victim lives in exile

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7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Gawd you're stupid.

The transactions that were allegedly fraudulent were just misdemeanours. In order to be considered felonies the jury had to believe that they were part of an election fraud.

And the jury did, so the requirement was met.

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The chair of the FEC is the ultimate authority on whether or not election laws were violated. Dummy. 

He's NOT the chair. He hasn't been on the FEC since the mid 2000s

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

If the Dems (prosecutors, judges... you know... Demi stooges) really wanted to 'prove' that Trump was guilty of election fraud they could have called upon the expert testimony of one of the "dozen" peple you cited, but they didn't. For some reason they didn't want expert witnesses, just Stormy and Cohen lol. 

He wasn't guilty of election fraud nor was conviction required. ONLY his intent was required and the jury was convinced so YOUR OPINION doesn't matter.

Of course there are NY State campaign finance violation, too, which also meet the requirement to elevate the records violation to FELONIES.

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Face it, the Demonrats are a bunch of God-damned lowlife weasels and you're their lackey. 

Face it, you don't know the LAW but continue to delude yourself that you do.

7 minutes ago, West said:

No I call it a third world shit hole. Especially now under a man who's rape victim lives in exile

Thanks for confirming again your complete IGNORANCE. And your failure to post EVIDENCE that proves it.

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3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

And the jury did, so the requirement was met.

Hey stupid, it was hoboy who said that the FEC chair wasn't an expert witness here, not me. Get your head out of your arse for once.

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He's NOT the chair. He hasn't been on the FEC since the mid 2000s

So whta? He's still an expert witness, dummy.

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He wasn't guilty of election fraud nor was conviction required. ONLY his intent was required and the jury was convinced so YOUR OPINION doesn't matter.

He wasn't guilty of election fraud, you're right.

He's not really guilty of anything because the state of NY didn't have any charges to lay that were within their statute of limitations. This was just another witch hunt.

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Of course there are NY State campaign finance violation, too, which also meet the requirement to elevate the records violation to FELONIES.

Felonies in NY state have a 5 yr limit, dummy. 

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Face it, you don't know the LAW but continue to delude yourself that you do.

I just schooled you, id10t.

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Thanks for confirming again your complete IGNORANCE. And your failure to post EVIDENCE that proves it.

Thanks for proving my point against hoboy, stupid. Thanks for just saying a whole bunch of stupid things again, you make the rest of us look like geniuses.

Hey dummy, what's the statute of limitations on felonies in NY state (aside from violent felonies, like murder and rape)?

Oh, can't answer, because it will prove that your trial was bogus?

G'nite loser. Hit the skids. 

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51 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Gawd you're stupid.

The transactions that were allegedly fraudulent were just misdemeanours. In order to be considered felonies the jury had to believe that they were part of an election fraud.

The chair of the FEC is the ultimate authority on whether or not election laws were violated. Dummy. 

If the Dems (prosecutors, judges... you know... Demi stooges) really wanted to 'prove' that Trump was guilty of election fraud they could have called upon the expert testimony of one of the "dozen" peple you cited, but they didn't. For some reason they didn't want expert witnesses, just Stormy and Cohen lol. 

Face it, the Demonrats are a bunch of God-damned lowlife weasels and you're their lackey. 

Lol. No, they didn't have to prove it was part of "election fraud " Again, it appears you have no idea of the details of this case. Only that you're big orange crush was convicted and it's making you cranky. 

Honestly, why would you even "debate" a case you didn't understand? You just look like a petulant child.

Solve the issue. Go read the case. Read the jury instructions. Hell, even read some real news sources if that's too hard. 

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52 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Hey stupid, it was hoboy who said that the FEC chair wasn't an expert witness here, not me. Get your head out of your arse for once.

So whta? He's still an expert witness, dummy.

He wasn't guilty of election fraud, you're right.

He's not really guilty of anything because the state of NY didn't have any charges to lay that were within their statute of limitations. This was just another witch hunt.

Felonies in NY state have a 5 yr limit, dummy. 

I just schooled you, id10t.

Thanks for proving my point against hoboy, stupid. Thanks for just saying a whole bunch of stupid things again, you make the rest of us look like geniuses.

Hey dummy, what's the statute of limitations on felonies in NY state (aside from violent felonies, like murder and rape)?

Oh, can't answer, because it will prove that your trial was bogus?

G'nite loser. Hit the skids. 

If someone says it slower and louder will it help penetrate the brain fever? 

The. Statue. Of. Limitations. Was. Extended. During. COVID.

There. You can't say I didn't try. But based on your history here, I don't have much hope.

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8 hours ago, Hodad said:

Lol. No, they didn't have to prove it was part of "election fraud " Again, it appears you have no idea of the details of this case. Only that you're big orange crush was convicted and it's making you cranky. 

Honestly, why would you even "debate" a case you didn't understand? You just look like a petulant child.

Solve the issue. Go read the case. Read the jury instructions. Hell, even read some real news sources if that's too hard. 

You're so dumb that you watched his trial for 2 hrs a day and still don't have the foggiest clue what happened. Typical leftard.

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8 hours ago, Hodad said:

If someone says it slower and louder will it help penetrate the brain fever? 

The. Statue. Of. Limitations. Was. Extended. During. COVID.

There. You can't say I didn't try. But based on your history here, I don't have much hope.

Statute of limitations, dummy: 

https://www.newsweek.com/has-statute-limitations-run-out-stormy-daniels-payment-depends-how-you-count-opinion-1789338 

https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/4/4/23648390/trump-indictment-supreme-court-stormy-daniels-manhattan-alvin-bragg

There was no calculation of whether or not the case was past it's due date, just an arbitrary ruling from a Democrat judge. 

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