America officially becomes a banana republic indicating a presidential candidate, likely jail time

[robosmith]

23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The jury didn't prove anything. The whole trial was a farce.

Juries NEVER prove anything at a trial. They decide whether the proof is sufficient to CONVICT. Duh

23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

NYTimes wrote about Merchan's donations to Biden as well, dummy. 

Doesn't matter, means nothing. 

Tell us what he got WRONG in court Mr. Legal Eagle. 

Maybe you can give Trump some tips for his appeal. LMAO

15 minutes ago, West said:

The judge knowingly allowed a case to be brought well passed the statute of limitations. Very sad

Sure he did. IF that were true, the appeal will be a slam dunk. But it's NOT.

The additional crime which was the reason for the false business records, MADE THEM FELONIES with a 6 year statute.

[WestCanMan]

39 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Maybe you can give Trump some tips for his appeal. LMAO

Trump will eventually win an appeal, that was never the point.

The point of this trial was to give Biden the ability to call Trump a convicted felon during the election cycle.

[robosmith]

24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Trump will eventually win an appeal, that was never the point.

The point of this trial was to give Biden the ability to call Trump a convicted felon during the election cycle.

Well then it was really stupid of Trump have falsified his business records and left so much evidence AGAINST HIMSELF.

Seems his "luck" and overestimation of the corruption of the NY legal system has finally run out.

Use to be he could buy his way out of legal trouble with some well placed "campaign contributions." LMAO 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Trump will eventually win an appeal, that was never the point.

The point of this trial was to give Biden the ability to call Trump a convicted felon during the election cycle.

Sure it was...

Because stealing from his charity, running a scam "university," financial fraud and sexual abuse all weren't quite enough. --Andd that's just what's been proven in court.

But now that he's a convicted felon, he'll start to sound like a bad guy.

[Rebound]

9 hours ago, West said:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ny-v-trump-jury-verdict-former-presidents-historic-criminal-trial

Sick country 

Trump’s been indicted many times. Over 100 felonies. Today, the POS was convicted of 34 felonies. By a jury. 

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Judge Merchan is a Biden donor. https://nypost.com/2024/05/17/us-news/ethics-complaint-against-trump-hush-money-judge-over-biden-donations-dismissed/

Fifteen dollars. WOW. 

[Rebound]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Trump will eventually win an appeal, that was never the point.

The point of this trial was to give Biden the ability to call Trump a convicted felon during the election cycle.

[West]

7 hours ago, Rebound said:

Trump’s been indicted many times. Over 100 felonies. Today, the POS was convicted of 34 felonies. By a jury. 

Fifteen dollars. WOW. 

Of course he has because you guys have a guy who takes bribes from China in the Whitehouse calling the shots

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, West said:

Of course he has because you guys have a guy who takes bribes from China in the Whitehouse calling the shots

Objectivity is impossible, therefore it is the enemy.  Good government can't come from laws and institutions now - it can only come from the one true leader that you trust implicitly.  

This is where we are with this.

[Deluge]

17 hours ago, West said:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ny-v-trump-jury-verdict-former-presidents-historic-criminal-trial

Sick country 

We've been sick for a while, thanks to the woke mind virus. I'm at a loss right now. 

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, Deluge said:

We've been sick for a while, thanks to the woke mind virus. I'm at a loss right now. 

Curious about this:  what are some other bad ideas democracy faced in the past and how were they handled by our system of public discussion ?  How is this similar/different ?  Will it go away one day ?

[Moonbox]

7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Curious about this:  what are some other bad ideas democracy faced in the past and how were they handled by our system of public discussion ?  How is this similar/different ?  Will it go away one day ?

You might think you are, but you're really not curious about this genius' thoughts on this.  

[Deluge]

15 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Curious about this:  what are some other bad ideas democracy faced in the past and how were they handled by our system of public discussion ?  How is this similar/different ?  Will it go away one day ?

Wokeness is not going away - it's the golden goose of leftism and it's here to stay. It'll probably take a war to get it uprooted. 

[Rebound]

40 minutes ago, West said:

Of course he has because you guys have a guy who takes bribes from China in the Whitehouse calling the shots

If that were true, why no indictments? No impeachment?

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, Rebound said:

If that were true, why no indictments? No impeachment?

 

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Wokeness is not going away - it's the golden goose of leftism and it's here to stay. It'll probably take a war to get it uprooted. 

Ok - so a civil war would be an approach to removing this idea ?  Kind of like happened with Slavery... Is that a good analogy ?

[Deluge]

6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ok - so a civil war would be an approach to removing this idea ?  Kind of like happened with Slavery... Is that a good analogy ?

It looks that way, Mike. I mean, we're getting some pushback to this destructive idea, but it's looking too much like "too little, too late". 

Look at how we've gone from Pride Day to Pride Month. How long will we go before Pride is the new normal and not supporting it will be against the law? 

 

[Fluffypants]

12 hours ago, robosmith said:

Juries NEVER prove anything at a trial. They decide whether the proof is sufficient to CONVICT. Duh

Doesn't matter, means nothing. 

Tell us what he got WRONG in court Mr. Legal Eagle. 

Maybe you can give Trump some tips for his appeal. LMAO

Sure he did. IF that were true, the appeal will be a slam dunk. But it's NOT.

The additional crime which was the reason for the false business records, MADE THEM FELONIES with a 6 year statute.

What additional crime? They never actually said what it was Merchan gave the jury of a menu of what they could choose even though they never actually explained the crimes or the FACT he was never even indicted for any of those other crimes.

Merchan didn't allow the FEC expert to take the stand to explain why the hush money payments were not a campaign violation.

Merchan didn't recuse himself when his own daughter works for Democrats to help them fund raise and literally was making money off the trial

Merchan allowed the testimony of Stormy Daniels even though it had 0 bearing on the case.

Merchan didn't grant a change of venue when there was 0 way Trump would get a fair trial in Manhattan which voted over 80% democrat.

They seated a jury in less than a week, whereas in most cases of this nature would of taken months to seat.

Merchan put a gag order on Trump not allowing him to respond to prosecution witnesses attacking him.

Merchan show undue favoritism towards the prosecution essentially allowing them to say and do whatever they want while overruling and admonishing the defense for objecting too much

Merchan threatened a defense witness with striking his testimony and yelled at him for rolling his eyes at the judge because the judge was sustaining every objection the prosecution made.

Jury's look towards the judge to call balls and strikes but when the defense was batting it seemed like the strike zone was from dugout to dugout and when the prosecution was batting the dug out was the size of the catcher mitt.

This entire trial was designed with a giant thumb on the scales of lady justice to get the verdict they wanted.

 

 

 

Edited May 31, 2024 by Fluffypants

[West]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ok - so a civil war would be an approach to removing this idea ?  Kind of like happened with Slavery... Is that a good analogy ?

I hope not but my personal observations are that liberals are goading people on both sides of the boarder into doing something irrational

[Deluge]

19 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Many of the Trump fanatics are very challenged in looking at things like legal cases. Logically I mean. 

Basically they are tribal in nature, so they are bad at analysis and they just look at things like loyalty, my country right or wrong etc 

And many pseudo-conservatives, such as yourself, can't see the forest for the trees.

In other words, you stupidly bury your heads in the cases and completely ignore the motivation behind AND the timing of these cases.  

This is a political witch hunt. Nothing more. 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

What additional crime? They never actually said what it was Merchan gave the jury of a menu of what they could choose even though they never actually explained the crimes or the FACT he was never even indicted for any of those other crimes.

Merchan didn't allow the FEC expert to take the stand to explain why the hush money payments were not a campaign violation.

There was a lot of important stuff there, I just wanted to zero in on these things for a sec:

1a) the fact that there was "an additional crime" tacked on at the end, which Trump and his lawyers never even got to defend him against, is just right out of bizarro world. Judge Merchan might as well have slapped Lady Justice across the mouth with a dildo at that second, it was just that out of line in a "legitimate" democracy. 

1b) the fact that the jury didn't even have to agree on what they were finding him guilty of is just a total joke. The whole trial was a farce from start to finish, 

2) The fact that the judge allowed testimony from a disgruntled jilted ex, and from a known liar and perjurer, but disallowed the expert testimony of a top government official - and arguably the planet's leading expert in this case - is just the epitome of kangaroo court skullduggery. 

If this "trial" happened in lower slobovia, CNN would have instantly noticed all the telltale signs of jumpbuck justice, but it happened to Trump, so they grabbed some popcorn and churned out false narratives as fast as they possibly could. 

Edited May 31, 2024 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

Biden's next nominee for the SC: 

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, West said:

Of course he has because you guys have a guy who takes bribes from China in the Whitehouse calling the shots

Of course you know ^this is UNPROVEN. AKA, completely lacks EVIDENCE.

You gotta stop believing the crap you hear on on FOS LIES. LMAO

4 hours ago, Deluge said:

We've been sick for a while, thanks to the woke mind virus. I'm at a loss right now. 

Yes, thanks for admitting you LOST.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

 

Your pathetic meme is an appropriate answer to the question.

Cause FANTASY is all the RepubliCON House has on Joe. LMAO

[Michael Hardner]

49 minutes ago, Deluge said:

In other words, you stupidly bury your heads in the cases and completely ignore the motivation behind AND the timing of these cases.  

This is a political witch hunt. Nothing more. 

Yeah, maybe.  I don't think I ever denied that.  Does Trump deserve it ?  Would he do the same if he had the chance ?  This is why I'm staying away from the whole moral angle.  If politics is a cesspool don't expect me to show up with my white gloves and a pack of sani-wipes...

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

What additional crime? They never actually said what it was Merchan gave the jury of a menu of what they could choose even though they never actually explained the crimes or the FACT he was never even indicted for any of those other crimes.

It doesn't matter which crime, cause all the jury had to determine was Trump's INTENT to act ILLEGALLY.

3 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

Merchan didn't allow the FEC expert to take the stand to explain why the hush money payments were not a campaign violation.

The FEC was not involved in 3 of the 4 examples of additional NY STATE crimes.

3 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

Merchan didn't recuse himself when his own daughter works for Democrats to help them fund raise and literally was making money off the trial

Were they really? Prove it.

3 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

Merchan allowed the testimony of Stormy Daniels even though it had 0 bearing on the case.

Thanks for your worthless OPINION, Mr. Legal Eagle.

3 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

Merchan didn't grant a change of venue when there was 0 way Trump would get a fair trial in Manhattan which voted over 80% democrat.

Do you even know the reason why? Those petitions are routinely REJECTED.

3 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

They seated a jury in less than a week, whereas in most cases of this nature would of taken months to seat.

Says who? It's a routine business records falsification case with a minor enhancment.

3 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

Merchan put a gag order on Trump not allowing him to respond to prosecution witnesses attacking him.

That's allowed because Trump was indicted and he was violating the conditions of his release.

3 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

Merchan show undue favoritism towards the prosecution essentially allowing them to say and do whatever they want while overruling and admonishing the defense for objecting too much

Everyone ELSE (aside from FOS LIES) is saying Merchan bent over backwards to be fair.

He could have jailed Trump for contempt many times but did not.

3 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

Merchan threatened a defense witness with striking his testimony and yelled at him for rolling his eyes at the judge because the judge was sustaining every objection the prosecution made.

Not the reason. Duh Judges NEED to control their court.

3 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

Jury's look towards the judge to call balls and strikes but when the defense was batting it seemed like the strike zone was from dugout to dugout and when the prosecution was batting the dug out was the size of the catcher mitt.

Seemed to you, which means NOTHING in court.

3 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

This entire trial was designed with a giant thumb on the scales of lady justice to get the verdict they wanted.

That's what happens when Trump breaks the law NOW, cause he can no longer buy his way out.