Canada just posted its fastest two-month immigration in history. This graph shows just how high it is.

[ExFlyer]

8 hours ago, GroundskeeperWillie said:

I can't believe how you could have posted this garbage without getting banned.

Welcome to repolitics.

I think before you besmirch me, you should look at the root cause and what others post and what led up to that post.

Edited July 23 by ExFlyer

[Goddess]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Welcome to repolitics.

I think before you besmirch me, you should look at the root cause and what others post and what led up to that post.

YOU are responsible for what you post, not anyone else.

When you say things like the above, you're just admitting you have zero self-control or maturity.

Rapists use similar reasoning - "she was wearing a short skirt" or "she had too much to drink", so she deserved it.

I really doubt you are an adult.

[Moonbox]

11 minutes ago, Goddess said:

When you say things like the above, you're just admitting you have zero self-control or maturity.

Always funny to see you crying foul on this forum.  

Karen's gonna Karen.  🤷‍♂️

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

YOU are responsible for what you post, not anyone else.

When you say things like the above, you're just admitting you have zero self-control or maturity.

Rapists use similar reasoning - "she was wearing a short skirt" or "she had too much to drink", so she deserved it.

I really doubt you are an adult.

Yup, as you are.

When you say things like the above you presume you are better than anyone else and we all know you are not. You are the same.

Rapists?? WTF??  You just proved you are the same if not worse. Clearly not practising what you are preaching. A very poor analogy.

I doubt you are a reasonable person....I have read your conspiracy theories LOL

Bottom line, in your glass house, you should not throw stones.

As I said to  Groundskeeperwille, he needs to look at what precipitated those comments. A chain of insults starts somewhere and never gets better.

You should know that as you start many LOL

 

Edited July 23 by ExFlyer

[CITIZEN_2015]

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well that just makes it look like you're not very bright.  When does it become 'mass'? What makes it 'mass'?  Would 400 thousand have been mass? Yes no why?  Would 300 thousand? What's the "critical mass" for calling it 'mass'?  What if they all went on a diet?

Use words that make sense.  "mass" is not a word that applies to immigration in any useful way. Max thought that up because his english has always been a quarter bubble off center and he thought it sounded cool and thought 'mass' meant "a lot".  Probably got it confused with the french word for 'bulk" and thought it was like 'bulk buying' or something, or maybe he was thinking of 'mass murderer' and got confused.  Who can say .

But when you use language that makes no sense that was crafted by a failed politician you weaken your argument.  Come up with something where the words actually mean what you're talking about - it's not like they're not out there. 

In any case what you seem to mean is that you feel right now that the immigration rate is excessive. Most people in Canada agree so you're on fairly solid footing there. 

There's slightly less evidence of that, we do have a relatively robust points based system. 

But we do allow a lot of refugees and that's a problem as they require special integration assistance that trudeau stopped providing and there's probably some room for improvement overall. Clearly we were giving student visas to people who never intended to go to school for a single day. 

Sure. There can be no doubt they do it wrong, and the way we used to do it between 2006 and 2015 was better. And not just because those were the harper years, there were very specific changes that significantly improved things that have fallen by the wayside. 

My point to get across was that Canada's immigration policies are working against and not for Canada ot Canadians especially the poor and unemployed and homeless but you seem more interested to play with words whether we should call it mass immigration or excessive immigration. Also worried about extreme elements like Islamist to cause issues in Canada.

[CdnFox]

34 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

My point to get across was that Canada's immigration policies are working against and not for Canada ot Canadians especially the poor and unemployed and homeless but you seem more interested to play with words whether we should call it mass immigration or excessive immigration. Also worried about extreme elements like Islamist to cause issues in Canada.

IN fact i acknowledged your points directly.  All i said is maybe don't look stupid while you're making them. I think they're good points, i just think in order for people to take them seriously we can't sound like dinglewarts putting them forward. 

[I am Groot]

On 3/22/2024 at 6:34 PM, ExFlyer said:

Cannot get at me so you need to recruit folks to thinking your way ?? LOL

Uhm, if people tell you you're acting like an ignorant twat maybe you should consider the possibility that the only one recruiting them into that belief is you.

[CDN1]

On 7/17/2024 at 2:50 PM, Five of swords said:

 

 

Countries are destroyed by foreign invasion and internal revolutions which replace the elite.

 

 

This is exactly what's going on across the West. Multiculturalism will eat itself and leave us with low-trust societies.

 

The White population is poised to fall off a cliff within the next 20ish years and then it's open season, a power vacuum. 

Edited July 24 by CDN1

[I am Groot]

On 3/23/2024 at 6:44 AM, August1991 said:

As an Australian once noted, it is net migrants that matter. Many immigrants to Canada move south.

Maybe we should consider why so many Canadians move south, aside from those going for the weather.

There are 800k Canadians working in the US. Since, unlike Canada, they don't allow people to come and work there as unskilled labour these are all skilled people. Exporting skilled people and importing unskilled people from the third world sets us on a path that will not lead to anything good.

[I am Groot]

On 3/26/2024 at 7:09 PM, August1991 said:

Between 1880 and 1920, many foreigners were arriving in Canada.

How many were foreigners vs other British citizens?

The British weren't foreigners. Canadians were British up until just after WW2. 

On 7/17/2024 at 12:19 AM, Five of swords said:

Sounds like you are just afraid of change.

Should we not be afraid of change for the worse?

[I am Groot]

On 7/17/2024 at 12:46 AM, Five of swords said:

Well...in your op you suggested immigration will destroy Canada.

No, it will simply change canada.

So far, it appears to be changing Canada for the worse. 

On 7/17/2024 at 12:46 AM, Five of swords said:

Canada used to be a white country. Soon, it will not be a white country. Probably, thanks to immigration, we can look forward to a future where there will be no white people in canada at all.

Why would anyone look forward to that? 

On 7/17/2024 at 12:46 AM, Five of swords said:

Is that what you mean by 'destroying canada'? Or is it just a change? Perhaps a change that many people welcome...

Importing masses of people from wildly different cultural backgrounds and religious beliefs (often zealously held) and not integrating them leads to a buildup of entirely separate cultures that will inevitably collide.

The number of successful, peaceful, multi-ethnic countries on this planet can be ticked off on one hand. The number of those types of countries that have disintegrated into civil war, or are pestholes filled with violence, corruption, and rebellion seems limitless. 

[I am Groot]

On 7/18/2024 at 8:56 PM, CdnFox said:

Leeds riot sees double decker bus gutted by flames as hundreds take to streets in night of violence - Mirror Online

 

That's horrific. Sounds like it's being organized on social media and growing.  Doesn't really say who they are or what it's about. 

No, the mainstream media never does. That is one of the reasons why so many, especially on the right, distrust them. The media set themselves up as the judges of what information should be kept from people "for their own good" some years ago. Any information which might lead readers/viewers to form unflattering judgments about groups of people who, for example, commit a disproportionate amount of crime, falls into that category of 'information "ordinary people can't handle".

This inevitably leads to deep cynicism about such stories along with memes about 'the usual suspects' or "I'm noticing things I'm not supposed to notice". 

The media generally avoids mentioning the race, religion or ethnicity of people arrested or sought for violence. Lately, they don't even give the names due to a certain no-doubt coincidental similarity of so many of those names to people born in the Middle East and North Africa. 

In any event, this started when child care services came to remove a child from the home of a Romani family. The child had been dropped out a window and taken to hospital. The family went to the hospital and took the child back, not caring about treatment. Police had to be called and the neighbors, who appear to be mostly Muslim, came out to form a mob and attack the police.

Edited July 24 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

On 7/22/2024 at 9:46 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Maybe they deserve what is coming to them!. Strange that this comes from me but they colonized and exploited more than half the known world for centuries (India, Africa, Arabia, just name few) more than any other colonial power

And left most of them better than they found them.

[I am Groot]

On 7/22/2024 at 10:37 PM, CdnFox said:

There is no such thing as "mass" immigration, it has no meaning. What's a 'mass' of immigrants? is 10 a mass? How many masses do i have if i have 10000 immigrants?  

I would interpret the phrase 'mass immigration' to be one of enormous numbers compared to the resident population, such high numbers the ability to be picky, to only select those likely to be a benefit to the new country, is lost. 

We lost that ability years ago. Canada's passport is the easiest to get in the world. Almost anyone can come here, declare themselves a refugee, and be given a passport. Or if they're more patient they can get a student visa, get an education here, and then be given Permanent Residency. Or just send in some phony documents (we don't have time to check them out) and get high points for being a fluently English (we don't test them) very experienced (we don't have time to check work history) university graduate with two degrees (lots of phony degrees in the third world). 

The Liberals just opened up a new path for anyone coming to be a personal support worker. Immediate permanent residency! You come to work in a nursing home for a week, get your PR and then go out and find a better job elsewhere. 

[I am Groot]

On 7/23/2024 at 1:21 AM, CdnFox said:

There's slightly less evidence of that, we do have a relatively robust points based system. 

You used the present tense inaccurately. Perhaps you meant to say we 'did' have a relatively robust points system?

That's no longer the case. The Trudeau government has screwed that up, just as it has everything else. Even when actually used, the points system no longer accurately reflects the needs of our employers. And the majority of people have long come here without regard to points. Even of those who technically come in under the points system only a minority actually are skilled. The rest, more than two-thirds, have always been their families. So at its height when the government claimed that, for example, 60% were skilled, it was actually more like 20%. 

On 7/23/2024 at 1:21 AM, CdnFox said:

But we do allow a lot of refugees and that's a problem as they require special integration assistance that trudeau stopped providing

The refugee determination system is an absolute disaster. The Liberals have expanded the criteria to the point almost anyone can get in. The approval rate on first hearing is 79%. Of those turned down, a significant number get approved through appeals. Of the remainder, most just stay anyway. We don't really keep track, and we have no real means of trying to find them. We have no equivalent of the Americans' ICE. All of this is known in certain countries, which is why the number of asylum claims has risen from around 20k when Trudeau took over to 150k last year.

On 7/23/2024 at 1:21 AM, CdnFox said:

 Clearly we were giving student visas to people who never intended to go to school for a single day. 

A large percentage of them. Most of those appear to be from India, and from a particular province in India (Punjab). And unlike previous foreign students these ones are much poorer and have much poorer language skills. 

On 7/23/2024 at 1:21 AM, CdnFox said:

Sure. There can be no doubt they do it wrong, and the way we used to do it between 2006 and 2015 was better. And not just because those were the harper years, there were very specific changes that significantly improved things that have fallen by the wayside. 

The only reason to have immigration is to benefit the country. But governments stopped using immigration for that in the 1980s. It's been designed to benefit the politicians in power since Mulroney tripled immigration after being convinced the immigrants would become loyal supporters of the party that was in power that let them in.

[I am Groot]

44 minutes ago, CDN1 said:

This is exactly what's going on across the West. Multiculturalism will eat itself and leave us with low-trust societies

The White population is poised to fall off a cliff within the next 20ish years and then it's open season, a power vacuum. 

I wonder what the indigenous 'first nations' are going to do when the majority of voters, not to mention those in government, are not hand-wringing, bleeding-heart white liberals but people who came here from hardscrabble societies where you were given nothing. I find it difficult to believe there'll be much sympathy for the demand from natives that they be given ever more money to make up for this or that historical injustice.

I have a feeling they'll be told to quit whining, go find a job, or starve.

Edited July 24 by I am Groot

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Uhm, if people tell you you're acting like an ignorant twat maybe you should consider the possibility that the only one recruiting them into that belief is you.

"acting like an ignorant twat"?  like you are in this thread??

What happened to you? You used to be a reasonable poster. Did they take you off your meds??

[Five of swords]

57 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

So far, it appears to be changing Canada for the worse. 

Why would anyone look forward to that? 

Importing masses of people from wildly different cultural backgrounds and religious beliefs (often zealously held) and not integrating them leads to a buildup of entirely separate cultures that will inevitably collide.

The number of successful, peaceful, multi-ethnic countries on this planet can be ticked off on one hand. The number of those types of countries that have disintegrated into civil war, or are pestholes filled with violence, corruption, and rebellion seems limitless. 

Why wouldanyone want to turn historically white countries into non white countries?

 

Well for one thing, maybe they just don't like white people.

 

A more 'sophisticated attitude could be revealed in the works of Richard coudenhove kalergi, who seems very misunderstood by some conspiracy theorists, but there is a point here: kalergi, reflecting on the causes of world War 1 and also recognizing that the struggle for the power of states required ever increasing resources and population, combined with (probably his personal experience as a hapa), realized that mixing the dna of people ('confusing the nations as senecherib did in the talmud')...tends to make people feel less loyal to either ancestor. Thus they lose the blood ties to the past and strong ethnic or racial identification and are more willing to tie their loyalty to 'concepts' rather than blood. These concepts could be religious, or vague platitudes like 'freedom', or dedication to a particular football team or other consumer products. In that way, Europe could be unified because Germany, France, and England would no longer chafe under the idea of a merging into a single state. That hypothetical state would be far more powerful and easy to organize than the three states are seperately...and severing the European ties to their ancestry was critical to that project, similar to what the usa managed to do with its 'melting pot' (albeit the usa failed to melt across races, which may be a miscalculation on kalergi's part).

[Five of swords]

1 hour ago, CDN1 said:

This is exactly what's going on across the West. Multiculturalism will eat itself and leave us with low-trust societies.

 

The White population is poised to fall off a cliff within the next 20ish years and then it's open season, a power vacuum. 

I disagree that it will leave a power vacuum. I don't think white people have any power today so our exit will cause no vacuum. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

I would interpret the phrase 'mass immigration' to be one of enormous numbers compared to the resident population, such high numbers the ability to be picky, to only select those likely to be a benefit to the new country, is lost. 

 

My point would be if you have to interpret it then it's not a real term. It's this kind of thing that lets the left wing dismiss the debate as being a bunch of hicks. It's a serious issue and we shouldn't be using words that don't actually mean anything to address it. It's like calling math racist

Everything you're saying about the negative effects of excessive or unsustainable immigration is true. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

 

The only reason to have immigration is to benefit the country. But governments stopped using immigration for that in the 1980s. It's been designed to benefit the politicians in power since Mulroney tripled immigration after being convinced the immigrants would become loyal supporters of the party that was in power that let them in.

I agree with most of the rest, but this is inaccurate. Certainly in 2006 radical changes were made to the system that were specifically designed to greatly enhance the benefit to Canada of immigration. And immigration has done well for us over the years by and large.

And every single research paper regardless of source keeps coming back with the same answers that immigrants do not all become citizens, and when they do become citizens they vote in historically low percentages compared to natural Canadians, and they tend to vote Along the lines of the area that they live in. If they moved to a conservative area they vote conservative, if they move to a liberal area they vote liberal. And as I said that's if they vote at all.

So the effect of immigration on elections is extremely muted. Any party bringing immigrants in thinking it will give them an edge in voting is stupid and it probably doesn't happen. About the only benefits you can gain is inflating the population of areas that you know already support you so that in the next census they gain more seats. But even that is very difficult as there is no guarantee that immigrants will stay put where you originally brought them in.

I haven't looked at the changes that you know has made to our point system but I'm perfectly willing to believe that it needs to be rejigged to match our current needs and that we need to reduce immigration to a level where it is completely sustainable, which is probably close to around 200,000 - 300,000 a year

[Goddess]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I would interpret the phrase 'mass immigration' to be one of enormous numbers compared to the resident population, such high numbers the ability to be picky, to only select those likely to be a benefit to the new country, is lost. 

We lost that ability years ago. Canada's passport is the easiest to get in the world. Almost anyone can come here, declare themselves a refugee, and be given a passport. Or if they're more patient they can get a student visa, get an education here, and then be given Permanent Residency. Or just send in some phony documents (we don't have time to check them out) and get high points for being a fluently English (we don't test them) very experienced (we don't have time to check work history) university graduate with two degrees (lots of phony degrees in the third world). 

The Liberals just opened up a new path for anyone coming to be a personal support worker. Immediate permanent residency! You come to work in a nursing home for a week, get your PR and then go out and find a better job elsewhere. 

Our passport has be cheapened to the point of coming out of a Crackerjack box.

In related news: 18 convicted of 150 offences of violent home invasions and carjackings in Peel.

 

[August1991]

At issue:

Population growth? The world does not lack children.

It lacks educated children.

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, August1991 said:

At issue:

Population growth? The world does not lack children.

It lacks educated children.

Interesting.

https://ourworldindata.org/global-education

Education in the world has increased 5 fold in 200 years.  Only 13% have no formal education today, globally.

[CdnFox]

44 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Interesting.

https://ourworldindata.org/global-education

Education in the world has increased 5 fold in 200 years.  Only 13% have no formal education today, globally.

Yes, the problem is actually more of the education they receive. Many are specifically taught hatred and to cling to historic grudges and that leads to many conflicts that just don't need to happen.   

Many are taught intolerance of others and tribalism in this day and age and that ends any chance of peaceful coexistence. 

and many have knowledge but no opportunity to use it. Gov'ts tend to want to be the solution not provide access to solutions, so people become dependent and when the gov't becomes overwhelmed they struggle.  Immigrants in many countries have usable skills but with no path to putting them to work they fall into dispair and lash out. 

It's not 'uneducated' people that are the problem, it's a little more complex than that.