France following Canada into darkness

[blackbird]

In 1789 France had the French Revolution and killed thousands of their own innocent people.

They produced Napoleon who did nothing but conduct huge wars.

In recent times they have brought in hundreds of thousands of immigrants and have had a lot of terrorist attacks and problems.

They recently put the right to kill unborn babies (abortion) in the Constitution.

Their leader, Macron, even said western troops might go into the Ukraine to fight, which would probably provoke a world war.

Now they are following Canada's footsteps and bringing in legislation for medical assistance in dying.

They are rapidly becoming a major disaster and a liability for their own people and the world.

[Queenmandy85]

Of course it depends on your point of view. The French Revolution, like most wars, was a tragedy. The issues were already underway to reform the political system to create a constitutional Monarchy. 

You under estimate Napoleon's contribution to society. He modernized the delivery of healthcare, science and brought in the metric system. 

Immigration is a Christian act. There are millions of people who are living in regions of the world that are no longer habitable. The are leaving a life surrounded by poverty, chaos and violence. They have to go somewhere, and Europe is the logical destination. Would Jesus turn away anyone in need? The mass migration from the south is only going to increase into a tsunami of humanity.

MAiD is a choice that each of us should be able to make. It is a matter of freedom of choice. To take that freedom away is socialism.

The issue of women's right to reproductive choice has been argued to death.

The issue of sending western troops into Ukraine may be a signal to the tyrant Putin that his actions are going to lead to War.  In the absence of American support, it is now up to Europe to ensure Ukraine's freedom and independence. 

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[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

In 1789 France had the French Revolution and killed thousands of their own innocent people.

They produced Napoleon who did nothing but conduct huge wars.

In recent times they have brought in hundreds of thousands of immigrants and have had a lot of terrorist attacks and problems.

They recently put the right to kill unborn babies (abortion) in the Constitution.

Their leader, Macron, even said western troops might go into the Ukraine to fight, which would probably provoke a world war.

Now they are following Canada's footsteps and bringing in legislation for medical assistance in dying.

They are rapidly becoming a major disaster and a liability for their own people and the world.

France, like Canada and Ireland, have forgotten the values that made them successful to begin with.  They are doing everything possible to lower their already low birth rates and disempower Christianity and cultural roots: Promote ani-family values; disparage Christian faiths by declaring them colonial, patriarchal and racist; declare men toxic; promote unlimited abortion, birth control, euthanasia, homosexuality, alternative sexualities, and trans identities; accelerate immigration; alienate farmers; feminize the military and men in general; impose laws against free speech to disempower political opposition; turn over more authority to the EU/UN/non-local, international unelected authorities; regulate and tax people into subsistence living to further disempower and reduce the middle class; entrench DEI.

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[Queenmandy85]

49 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

France, like Canada and Ireland, have forgotten the values that made them successful to begin with.  They are doing everything possible to lower their already low birth rates and disempower Christianity and cultural roots: Promote ani-family values; disparage Christian faiths by declaring them colonial, patriarchal and racist; declare men toxic; promote unlimited abortion, birth control, euthanasia, homosexuality, alternative sexualities, and trans identities; accelerate immigration; alienate farmers; feminize the military and men in general; impose laws against free speech to disempower political opposition; turn over more authority to the EU/UN/non-local, international unelected authorities; regulate and tax people into subsistence living to further disempower and reduce the middle class; entrench DEI.

I disagree. The earth can support and sustain a maximum population of 1.5 billion. 

Christianity is in decline and in the free market of theology, Islam is growing. That is because Islam responds to the needs of the faithful better than Christianity. To deny people the right to choose how they whorship God is socialism.

"Promotion" of homosexuality is ridiculous. Around 10% of people are gay. That is a percentatage that has been constant. You cannot persuade anyone to be gay. They just are. Deus Vult.

You appear to be opposed to feminism, and the right of women to have the right to make their own decisions regarding reproduction. You advocate socialism where people don't have the right to make their own decisions. Your opposition to people having the right to choose to terminate their own life also socialistic.

Your term "feminizing the military" contradicts your advocacy of Christianity. The military is trained to kill people. Right or wrong, that is a contradiction of Christian, Zoroastrian and Jewish doctrine. ie. Thou Shalt not Kill. There were no qualifacations to that commandment.

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[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

1. The earth can support and sustain a maximum population of 1.5 billion. 

2. Christianity is in decline and in the free market of theology, Islam is growing. 

3.To deny people the right to choose how they whorship God is socialism.

4. "Promotion" of homosexuality is ridiculous. Around 10% of people are gay. That is a percentatage that has been constant. You cannot persuade anyone to be gay. They just are. Deus Vult.

 

1. That's a guess, from somewhere.

2. Secular life becomes the biggest growing group in countries with freedom of religion.

3. Huh ?

4. The whole section you're posting from is a conspiracy theory.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I disagree. The earth can support and sustain a maximum population of 1.5 billion. 

Christianity is in decline and in the free market of theology, Islam is growing. That is because Islam responds to the needs of the faithful better than Christianity. To deny people the right to choose how they whorship God is socialism.

"Promotion" of homosexuality is ridiculous. Around 10% of people are gay. That is a percentatage that has been constant. You cannot persuade anyone to be gay. They just are. Deus Vult.

You appear to be opposed to feminism, and the right of women to have the right to make their own decisions regarding reproduction. You advocate socialism where people don't have the right to make their own decisions. Your opposition to people having the right to choose to terminate their own life also socialistic.

Your term "feminizing the military" contradicts your advocacy of Christianity. The military is trained to kill people. Right or wrong, that is a contradiction of Christian, Zoroastrian and Jewish doctrine. ie. Thou Shalt not Kill. There were no qualifacations to that commandment.

That’s a sick perspective that’s very much the 2030 Agenda and ESG.  You do realize that to slash the population to what your twisted perspective of sustainability requires can only be done by either mass murder or mass sterilization.  It probably also means mass enslavement and indoctrination to achieve your goals. Smarten up.  The entire world’s population can be fed by food produced in the San Fernando Valley.

Your comments about religion are very stupid. Christianity supports marriage between a man and a woman and opposes abortion, which is the killing of human life, no matter how you try to rationalize it.

With regard to women’s rights, which religion do you think supports them more, Christianity or Islam?

You and the other 60’s train wreck milquetoast Boomers are exemplars of the reason Canada is fast-tracked to self-destruction and lost in the ideology of cultural Marxist radical left lunatics.  Under your direction, Canada’s ability to maintain itself as some kind of UN jurisdiction would depend entirely upon destabilizing mass immigration.

I hope that the youngest generations see the folly of the 60’s love children who are essentially asleep at the wheel.

Be careful what you wish for, because you would be quickly euthanized in your old age in the effort to create the “pure” world you envision.  The churches would be either mosques, condos or dance clubs.  Your grandaughters and grandsons sons would be promiscuous singles aborting and hormonally sterilizing themselves into menopause and old age.  Oh well, the rise and fall of empires…

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[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You do realize that to slash the population to what your twisted perspective of sustainability requires can only be done by either mass murder or mass sterilization.

Nonsense, nature's course - climate change, war, economic inequality - will take care of that.

We don't have to do a thing.

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Nonsense, nature's course - climate change, war, economic inequality - will take care of that.

We don't have to do a thing.

You do you in your creepy dystopia.  I’ll migrate to a saner civilization.

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

You do you in your creepy dystopia.  I’ll migrate to a saner civilization.

Where were you thinking of migrating to, Mars or Alpha Centauri or something? 

Dystopia seems more like the Matrix meets Monty Python to me.

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

France, like Canada and Ireland, have forgotten the values that made them successful to begin with.  They are doing everything possible to lower their already low birth rates and disempower Christianity and cultural roots: Promote ani-family values; disparage Christian faiths by declaring them colonial, patriarchal and racist; declare men toxic; promote unlimited abortion, birth control, euthanasia, homosexuality, alternative sexualities, and trans identities; accelerate immigration; alienate farmers; feminize the military and men in general; impose laws against free speech to disempower political opposition; turn over more authority to the EU/UN/non-local, international unelected authorities; regulate and tax people into subsistence living to further disempower and reduce the middle class; entrench DEI.

Low birth rates are an issue in all developed countries, including China.

I don't understand the animosity toward the EU. It has been responsible for the longest period of peace in European history. The whole principle behind the EU is that if you bring people closer together the more they have to lose and the less likely they are to try and kill each other. So far it has worked very well.

[Michael Hardner]

35 minutes ago, Aristides said:

1. Low birth rates are an issue in all developed countries, including China.

1. And... uh...  Bangladesh... Pakistan.... keep going...

[Zeitgeist]

56 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Low birth rates are an issue in all developed countries, including China.

I don't understand the animosity toward the EU. It has been responsible for the longest period of peace in European history. The whole principle behind the EU is that if you bring people closer together the more they have to lose and the less likely they are to try and kill each other. So far it has worked very well.

The EU worked at first to contain Germany and facilitate trade.  I think it served the members fairly well for periods.  The problem is that Brussels extorts money from member states to pay for ideological projects and hamstrings the economies of member states, as countries can no longer lower interest rates and devalue their currencies when unemployment rates go up and the economy falters.  Britain realized her independence as a nation state was at stake.  I miss the access that my British passport provided when it was in the EU.

However, Britain now has better control of immigration and can set her own domestic and foreign affairs.  Europe is an overtaxed, over-regulated class system where only the multi-generational wealthy live North American lifestyles.  The European middle class has less disposable income and is essentially beholden to elite climate fascists who don’t understand where their food comes from.  EU farmers are being taxed and regulated out of existence.  They’ve also screwed up their energy production as part of their climate crusade and made themselves vulnerable to Putin, who is licking his chops waiting for Trump to walk away from NATO.

Britain figured out that America runs the show, maintained its military and close ties to the US, and got out of the EU.

In an ideal world some form of EU with a teensy weensy government in Brussels would be okay, but the EU is ideologically captured by the China-led UN.  So is Canada for that matter.

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[Aristides]

EU countries that aren't in the Euro Zone have control over their own currencies. Seven EU countries do not use the Euro, eight when the UK was still a member. Britain has had the worst performing economy in the G7 since Brexit.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64450882

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[Queenmandy85]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. That's a guess, from somewhere.

2. Secular life becomes the biggest growing group in countries with freedom of religion.

3. Huh ?

4. The whole section you're posting from is a conspiracy theory.

1. It was an estimate in answer to a question posed on Quirk and Quarks. 

2. True.

3. The choice of the manner of one's devotion to a deity is a personal one. It is a matter of freedom of choice. If our freedom of choice is taken away, if that is not socialism, I am not sure what to call it.

4. I am at a loss to know what conspiracy you are referring to. Are you referring to the Blackbird's OP or Zietgiest's response?

With the rapid depletion of resourses critical to survival, we will not be able to support billions of people in the future. If we are to reduce the population, it will have to be done slowly by improving people's standard of living. As we can see in the wealthiest societies, the birthrate declines naturally. We need to ensure our decendents have the resourses they require to survive and thrive.

 

[herbie]

Those cheese eatin' surrender monkeys should've just eaten the cake!

Obey! Obey the higher authority!

[Michael Hardner]

13 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

 

1.  If our freedom of choice is taken away, if that is not socialism, I am not sure what to call it.

2. I am at a loss to know what conspiracy you are referring to. Are you referring to the Blackbird's OP or Zietgiest's response?

3. If we are to reduce the population, it will have to be done slowly by improving people's standard of living. As we can see in the wealthiest societies, the birthrate declines naturally. We need to ensure our decendents have the resourses they require to survive and thrive.

 

1. Totalitarianism?  Socialism is a vague term in this context.  I have a nice choice of beers in Sweden.

2. Zeitgeist 

3. Birthrates are declining.  Governments are grappling with how to lower the population but increase markets.  Also they don't want to pay a living wage.

It's quite the pickle.  🥒

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[Zeitgeist]

Canadian governments are throwing their own populations under the bus, stripping away freedoms and living standards, following China into the abyss.  France is there too.  The only lasting defence of the increasing squeeze on our way of life is, “At least we’re not China or Russia.”  So sad what’s happening in Canada and many parts of the West.  People need to understand that they employ government.  Governments need to understand that they work for the people, all people, including families and average working people.

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[SpankyMcFarland]

On 3/11/2024 at 5:56 PM, Zeitgeist said:

The EU worked at first to contain Germany and facilitate trade.  I think it served the members fairly well for periods.  The problem is that Brussels extorts money from member states to pay for ideological projects and hamstrings the economies of member states, as countries can no longer lower interest rates and devalue their currencies when unemployment rates go up and the economy falters.  Britain realized her independence as a nation state was at stake.  I miss the access that my British passport provided when it was in the EU.

However, Britain now has better control of immigration and can set her own domestic and foreign affairs.  

Many people who voted for Brexit now regret what they did. Such feelings even have a rather ugly name:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/987347/brexit-opinion-poll/

And immigration remains a problem.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/25/uk/uk-net-migration-figures-gbr-intl/index.html

 

Britain still has to negotiate trade deals but as one medium-sized country that’s turning out to be far more difficult than predicted by Brexiteers all those years ago.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-uk-trade-cheese-1.7094817

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/18/joe-biden-signals-he-has-no-interest-in-signing-us-uk-trade-agreement

It is said that no man is an island. Well, it turns out that no island is an island either. Any country that desires a standard of living ahead of North Korea’s needs good relationships with other countries. Absolute sovereignty does not exist. Leaving a bloc which contained so many major trading partners was a rash decision opposed in two of the UK’s non-sovereign ‘countries’, more like provinces, Scotland and Northern Ireland, as well as London whose wealth sustains the whole shebang. Such internal divisions make the future of the UK itself less certain. 

 

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Europe is an overtaxed, over-regulated class system where only the multi-generational wealthy live North American lifestyles.  TheEuropean middle class has less disposable income and is essentially beholden to elite climate fascists who don’t understand where their food comes from.  

As Andrew Coyne noted recently, many european countries have surpassed Canada’s GDP per capita. They certainly don’t have to depend on intergenerational wealth to live like us. 
 

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 If you took a poll, I suspect you would find most Canadians still think of us as one of the richest countries on Earth: maybe fifth or sixth. And at one time we were. As late as 1981, Canada ranked sixth among OECD countries in GDP per capita, behind only Switzerland, Luxembourg, Norway, the United States and Denmark.

But we’re not any more. As of 2022 we were 15th. Over the 40-odd years in between, Canada’s per capita GDP grew more slowly than that of 22 other OECD members. Countries that used to be poorer than us – Ireland, the Netherlands, Austria, Sweden, Iceland, Australia, Germany, Belgium, Finland – are now richer than we are.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-canada-is-no-longer-one-of-the-richest-nations-on-earth-country-after/

And as for social mobility by country…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Social_Mobility_Index

 

 

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[Zeitgeist]

54 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Many people who voted for Brexit now regret what they did. Such feelings even have a rather ugly name:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/987347/brexit-opinion-poll/

Immigration remains a problem.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/25/uk/uk-net-migration-figures-gbr-intl/index.html

 

Britain still has to negotiate trade deals, but as one medium sized country and not as a trading bloc, which is turning out to be far more difficult than predicted by the Brexiteers all those years ago.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-uk-trade-cheese-1.7094817

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/18/joe-biden-signals-he-has-no-interest-in-signing-us-uk-trade-agreement

It is said that no man is an island. Well, it turns out that no island is an island either. Any country that desires a standard of living ahead of North Korea’s needs good relationships with other countries. Absolute sovereignty does not exist. Leaving a bloc which contained so many major trading partners was a peculiar decision opposed in two of the UK’s non-sovereign ‘countries’, more like provinces, Scotland and Northern Ireland, as well as London whose wealth sustains the whole shebang. This makes the future of the UK itself uncertain.

 

As Andrew Coyne noted recently, many european countries have surpassed Canada’s GDP per capita and certainly don’t have to depend on intergenerational wealth to live like us. 
 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-canada-is-no-longer-one-of-the-richest-nations-on-earth-country-after/

You’re correct that Canada has declined significantly.  Really America is the model.  I would agree that the lifestyles in parts of Europe are quite good for average citizens, such as France with its high productivity.  People tout the size of Germany’s economy and trade or the social safety nets of Scandinavian countries.  It’s a mixed bag.  In much of Europe, especially the north, the cost of living is very high.  It’s harder to do business because of regulations and taxation.  Europe is a continent of nanny states where much is taken care of by the state but it’s harder to be an entrepreneur. Brussels is imposing regulations on the climate front that are disempowering farmers, raising prices, and creating security risks due to unreliable energy sources, especially in places like Germany.  Europe is overrun by migrant security risks that these countries aren’t equipped to house or contain. France is resorting to forms of secular fascism to contain radical Islam, putting pressure on its constitutional rights.

Britain is struggling to regain control of her economy and security.  I do see disadvantages of leaving the EU, but I think British people decided it’s better to be in control of your own destiny than to be beholden to Brussels and Frankfurt.  Britain is certainly vulnerable, as is Canada.

It’s hard for countries and cultures to sustain themselves culturally without compromising economically and vice versa.  I think it’s the British way of life that citizens are seeking to protect.  Americans are doing better at protecting their way of life.  Canada is certainly more vulnerable.

Edited March 13 by Zeitgeist

[Aristides]

Interesting that 10 of the top 13 ahead of us on the social mobility list are EU members and the other three are part of the Schengen zone.

[Dougie93]

On 3/11/2024 at 9:52 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

You under estimate Napoleon's contribution to society. He modernized the delivery of healthcare, science and brought in the metric system. 

but Bonaparte was such a tyrant, that he made the British monarchy seem positively libertarian in comparison

thus why & how France was defeated

when the money fled the Continent to seek liberty in Great Britain

Britain surpassing France as the global Hegemon therein

so in fact, Napoleon was the death throes of the French Empire

heralding the rise of the Anglo-American Empire of Liberty