Moonbox Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 13 minutes ago, blackbird said: The Liberal government just committed tens of millions of dollars to Haiti. Is there no end of throwing taxpayer money to everything around the world? Yet the government of Canada is billions of dollars in debt. What does that have to do with this thread subject? 😐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 12 minutes ago, Moonbox said: What does that have to do with this thread subject? 😐 We should stop immigration from Muslim countries but also stop sending money to UNRWA and various Palestinian groups and stop sending money to third world countries like Haiti. The whole foreign affairs policy is a disaster. Stop the massive third world immigration. Canada now belongs to the U.N. They dictate Canadian policy. A good example is the adoption of UNDRIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 53 minutes ago, blackbird said: Zionism is simply the support of the State of Israel. Nothing wrong with that unless you are a diehard anti-Semite. Zionism is an ideology that called for the creation of a Jewish state in what is now Israel because of a religious-based claim to the land, and now supports the continued existence of Israel as an ethnonationalist entity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Zionism is an ideology that called for the creation of a Jewish state in what is now Israel because of a religious-based claim to the land, and now supports the continued existence of Israel as an ethnonationalist entity. That land belongs to Israel and it existed there several thousand years ago. Israel has a perfect right to their homeland. The world is generally anti-Semitic and they need to be able to defend themselves from the hatred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 Deport anti-Semites who immigrated here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 30 minutes ago, blackbird said: That land belongs to Israel and it existed there several thousand years ago. Israel has a perfect right to their homeland. The world is generally anti-Semitic and they need to be able to defend themselves from the hatred. Great when are you moving out and giving your house to an Indigenous family? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, blackbird said: Zionism is simply the support of the State of Israel. Nothing wrong with that unless you are a diehard anti-Semite. Zionists have made it clear that criticism of the state of Israel is anti-Semitic. Even Jews are anti-Semitic especially the more left-wing and secular they are. But I guess that sort of ideological hatred is as black and white everywhere you go. Like these guys for example. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 15 minutes ago, eyeball said: That's half this forum, sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 25 minutes ago, eyeball said: Zionists have made it clear that criticism of the state of Israel is anti-Semitic. Even Jews are anti-Semitic especially the more left-wing and secular they are. But I guess that sort of ideological hatred is as black and white everywhere you go. Like these guys for example. Some antisemites don't support the state of Israel's right to exist. They should be deported whenever possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 30 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Great when are you moving out and giving your house to an Indigenous family? People migrating is just how the world was settled. If you don't think non-natives have a right to live in Canada, what are you doing here? Israel is a unique case because God gave them that land in perpetuity. If you don't accept the Bible, there is nothing more to discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 22 minutes ago, blackbird said: People migrating is just how the world was settled. If you don't think non-natives have a right to live in Canada, what are you doing here? Israel is a unique case because God gave them that land in perpetuity. If you don't accept the Bible, there is nothing more to discuss. Yeah that's a completely insane thing to believe both geopolitically and on an individual level. Anyone who buys that should be sent to a rubber room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted February 24 Author Report Share Posted February 24 (edited) 4 hours ago, Black Dog said: Zionism is an ideology that called for the creation of a Jewish state in what is now Israel because of a religious-based claim to the land, and now supports the continued existence of Israel as an ethnonationalist entity. So what's wrong with that? Israel as a religious state has a helluva lot more room, respect and rights for people of other religions than other religious states like Iran, Sudan, or Saudi Arabia. It's also the only state in the region with gay bars and where women have equal rights. Is there a state in the entire middle east where Muslims and Christians have more rights than they do in Israel? Edited February 24 by I am Groot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 19 hours ago, Black Dog said: 1. A secular democracy with equal rights for all citizens. 2. Oh, better to ethnic cleanse them I guess. 1. In other words an Arab majority state that will politically dominate the Jews and make them a vulnerable minority against people with violent genocidal hatred against them. 2. Israel isn't ethnically cleansing Gaza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 17 hours ago, Black Dog said: Zionism is an ideology that called for the creation of a Jewish state in what is now Israel because of a religious-based claim to the land, and now supports the continued existence of Israel as an ethnonationalist entity. And? Look up the word "nation-state". Israel legally bought a ton of land in what's now Israel in the 1800s until end of WWII. They wanted to share the land in the region with Arabs, who didn't want to share and attacked the Jews, and this has been going on ever since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 17 hours ago, Black Dog said: Yeah that's a completely insane thing to believe both geopolitically and on an individual level. Anyone who buys that should be sent to a rubber room. quote Jews’ continuous presence in the land of Israel for well over 3,000 years, Trotter writes, “affirms their ‘mana whenua’ or historic right to the land.” unquote Barbara Kay: Israel a true Indigenous success story (msn.com) The early history of Israel is stated clearly in the Old Testament. God created the nation of Israel and stated quite clearly the land will belong to them forever. Many of them were driven out of the land down through the centuries, but some remained. They have the title in Holy Scripture which is a foundation of both Jewish Bible and Christian Bibles. The Christian Bible's Old Testament is part of the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Therefore we have the history in the Christian Bible. The world owes the Jews for being the conduit that God used to provide the world with the Holy Scriptures (Old Testament). God also used the Jews to bring the Messiah, Jesus Christ into the world to save the world. Those who reject that will spend eternity in hell. Those who pay attention to the Bible and believe it and believe in Jesus Christ will be saved and spend eternity in heaven. The rest are heading for hell. The Bible also says those who bless the Jews will be blessed and those who curse the Jews will be cursed. Anti-semites should heed that warning. Nobody can fight against God and win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannuck Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 (edited) I have a very simple take on this crap: if your life revolves around some religious belief LEAVE CANADA and to and live in your host Theorcracy. The last thing a country with trillions of dollars of debt needs is people wasting time and resources with their cult fascination. Any government (don't care what party) that is so stupid as to invite people from truly incompatible cultures into our country deserves to be out on their ass. Edited February 24 by cannuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 On 2/23/2024 at 12:38 PM, Black Dog said: 1. A secular democracy with equal rights for all citizens. 2. Oh, better to ethnic cleanse them I guess. 1. In other words an Arab majority state that will politically dominate the Jews and make them a vulnerable minority against people with violent genocidal hatred against them. 2. Israel isn't ethnically cleansing Gaza Mosques are private and can disallow anyone on its property, like any other private property. I don't see how this would mean all Muslims shouldn't be allowed in Canada, that's extreme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 On 2/24/2024 at 1:30 PM, Moonlight Graham said: 1. In other words an Arab majority state that will politically dominate the Jews and make them a vulnerable minority against people with violent genocidal hatred against them. Maybe people wouldn't hate them if they didn't steal the land. Quote 2. Israel isn't ethnically cleansing Gaza lol yes they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 On 2/24/2024 at 8:04 AM, blackbird said: quote Jews’ continuous presence in the land of Israel for well over 3,000 years, Trotter writes, “affirms their ‘mana whenua’ or historic right to the land.” unquote Barbara Kay: Israel a true Indigenous success story (msn.com) Again: when are you giving up your house to your local Indigenous people and heading back to whatever European bog yor ancestors crawled out from to dispossess the people living there now? Quote The early history of Israel is stated clearly in the Old Testament. God created the nation of Israel and stated quite clearly the land will belong to them forever. Many of them were driven out of the land down through the centuries, but some remained. They have the title in Holy Scripture which is a foundation of both Jewish Bible and Christian Bibles. The Christian Bible's Old Testament is part of the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Therefore we have the history in the Christian Bible. The world owes the Jews for being the conduit that God used to provide the world with the Holy Scriptures (Old Testament). God also used the Jews to bring the Messiah, Jesus Christ into the world to save the world. And how did the Christian Church repay the Jews? Centuries of persecution and oppression and pogroms. Quote Those who reject that will spend eternity in hell. Those who pay attention to the Bible and believe it and believe in Jesus Christ will be saved and spend eternity in heaven. The rest are heading for hell. The Bible also says those who bless the Jews will be blessed and those who curse the Jews will be cursed. Anti-semites should heed that warning. Nobody can fight against God and win. No I have easily defeated God. He's locked in my basement right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 On 2/24/2024 at 6:39 AM, Moonlight Graham said: And? Look up the word "nation-state". Israel legally bought a ton of land in what's now Israel in the 1800s until end of WWII. They wanted to share the land in the region with Arabs, who didn't want to share and attacked the Jews, and this has been going on ever since. Jews were 33% of the population, owned 6-7% of the land, were given 56% of the land by the UN and you wonder why the Arabs rejected the proposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Again: when are you giving up your house to your local Indigenous people and heading back to whatever European bog yor ancestors crawled out from to dispossess the people living there now? God did not give aboriginals permanent ownership of North America (Turtle Island). In fact, they never even occupied all the land many of the bands now claim as their traditional territory. They may have hunted on parts of it or travelled through the vast wilderness, but they never occupied it and developed it or extracted the resources from it. So the settlers in Canada had a perfect right to move there and live. This has nothing to do with the case of Israel which God gave the land to. 12 minutes ago, Black Dog said: And how did the Christian Church repay the Jews? Centuries of persecution and oppression and pogroms. That is true. It was a result of a false understanding of the Bible. It was anti-Christian. Hatred and persecution are contrary to the Bible. That was mainly the mainline state church of Rome that was antisemitic. But also in Russia and other places in the world. It is another good reason Israel needed to re-establish the State of Israel in 1948. Edited February 26 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted February 26 Author Report Share Posted February 26 (edited) The government is getting ready to bring thousands of Sudanese here due to the fighting Sudan, and the ones here want a big refugee program. But the refugee program was originally intended to help those fleeing persecution due to religion, ethnicity, etc., or political persecution by the government. It excluded those fleeing war for the very good reason that such a number could easily overwhelm everyone. Canada has widened its definition of refugees to the point virtually anyone in the third world qualifies one way or another. Or can pretend they do. After all, how can you question someone who says they're fleeing because they're gay. Or trans? You can't ask them to prove it. Nor would it be politically acceptable to demand evidence. As for the Sudanese, from what I understand almost none of them will ever be able to support themselves, and will wind up on welfare for life. It's notable the Globe immediately closed their comments section on this story. https://archive.is/YDY8w 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: Maybe people wouldn't hate them if they didn't steal the land. They didn't 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: lol yes they are. They should. Move them to the West Bank and force all the Jews on the West Bank to go to Gaza. Then give the West Bank back to Jordan. Edited February 26 by I am Groot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted February 26 Author Report Share Posted February 26 46 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Jews were 33% of the population, owned 6-7% of the land, were given 56% of the land by the UN and you wonder why the Arabs rejected the proposal. The lines were drawn to separate the Jews and Arabs, as much as possible. And if it makes you feel better, within a year of Israel's birth the numbers were reversed due to so many Arabs leaving the Israeli section, and a million Jews moving in after being expelled from surrounding Arab states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 48 minutes ago, blackbird said: God did not give aboriginals permanent ownership of North America (Turtle Island). God's not real. Quote In fact, they never even occupied all the land many of the bands now claim as their traditional territory. They may have hunted on parts of it or travelled through the vast wilderness, but they never occupied it and developed it or extracted the resources from it. Irrelevant plus wait until you hear how much of the current state of Israel the Jews actually occupied. Quote So the settlers in Canada had a perfect right to move there and live. This has nothing to do with the case of Israel which God gave the land to. You're a crazy person who believes in magic lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: Maybe people wouldn't hate them if they didn't steal the land. What does this have to do with you wanting them to become a minority in a country filled with people that want them genocided? Yeah let's recreate Nazi Germany for them, great idea. 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: lol yes they are. Look up the definition of ethnic cleansing and stop listening to Twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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