300 Muslim organizations demonstrate why Canada should end immigration from Muslim countries

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Again, Canada’s constitution allows for religious expression,

except if we invoke Section 33

the Canadian constitution actually allows broad latitude to make war upon any faith which Canada deems to be infidel

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

But the Ulster Scots and even the once highly fertile Catholics are leading the West’s mass suicide because the anti-Christian lifestyles that these non-practicing lapsing Christians (most Christians today in the West) have adopted are shrinking their birth rates: abortion, porn, birth control, MAID, urban living, gender ideology, homosexuality… You think the Muslims are embracing all that to the same degree?  They are not.  There won’t be any Ulster Scots, nor Papists, at least not enough to have political weight.

that is basically an argument for me to convert to Islam

what's the downside ?

 

[Zeitgeist]

10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

except if we invoke Section 33

the Canadian constitution actually allows broad latitude to make war upon any faith which Canada deems to be infidel

It’s an ideological battle, no, a spiritual one, against the excesses of wokism and the anti-Christian.

People have to remember that much of what attracts immigrants to Canada, whether they know it or not, has its roots in Judeo-Christian values (which have Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Sumerian, and other antecedents implicit within them).  If we unmoor ourselves from those roots, the excesses of an oppressive Post-National State are highly likely.

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[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

It’s an ideological battle, no, a spiritual one, against the excesses of wokism and the anti-Christian.

Canada is more of an absolute monarchy than you think

when you add up all the mechanisms in the Constitution Act which allow for impunity

 it's really just a question of who has Parliamentary Supremacy

but otherwise, the state is largely unrestrained in Canada

so long as you appoint your cronies to the Judiciary

frankly, George III would be pleased

[Dougie93]

27 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

It makes Canada ripe for falling into China-style Post-National State, atheist Internationalism.  No thanks.  I want to see Canada retain strong Christian influences. This is also why wokism poses such a threat.  Muslims and Christians can help each other fight the woke and maintain mutual respect much as the Protestants and Catholics have in Canada, but if Christianity continues to be encouraged to fizzle out, ruled “patriarchal”, “colonial”, “genocidal”, etc., the imbalance will be clear, and Canada will face Quebec’s mess with Muslims. It will also face BC’s mess with Indigenous.  It’s already happening under Trudeau.

again, the Muslims I know say Isa is a Prophet of God who was born to a virgin

whom will return to Earth before the Day of Judgment

to restore justice and defeat al-Masih ad-Dajjal, or “the false messiah” — also known as the Antichrist.

to wit, I've yet to actually encounter a Muslim whom opposes the Nazarene

[Zeitgeist]

23 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

except if we invoke Section 33

the Canadian constitution actually allows broad latitude to make war upon any faith which Canada deems to be infidel

that is basically an argument for me to convert to Islam

what's the downside ?

 

Well, the most successful civilizations in history have been Christian-dominated. They are the freest and most prosperous, but current citizens have forgotten the values that made them so productive and positive: adherence to virtue, restraint against hedonism, honesty, modesty before a higher power rather than hubris/pride, prolific and connected family, etc.  

[Zeitgeist]

16 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

again, the Muslims I know say Isa is a Prophet of God who was born to a virgin

whom will return to Earth before the Day of Judgment

to restore justice and defeat al-Masih ad-Dajjal, or “the false messiah” — also known as the Antichrist.

to wit, I've yet to actually encounter a Muslim whom opposes the Nazarene

Except that we are considered infidels, and I’m sure most Muslims would rather see Muslims in charge than Christians.  Many people have been slaughtered for being infidels, and the fervour for slaughter is real when the promise of heavenly reward is added, which many Muslims believe.

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[Dougie93]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

Well, the most successful civilizations in history have been Christian-dominated. They are the freest and most prosperous, but current citizens have forgotten the values that made them so productive and positive: adherence to virtue, restraint against hedonism, honesty, modesty before a higher power rather than hubris/pride, prolific and connected family, etc.  

I just stepped out to go over the plaza to talk to some Muslim friends

Pashtuns from Afghanistan

I asked them :  do Muslims oppose Isa ?

they said " nobody could oppose Isa "

God is great

 

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Except that we are considered infidels.

I am an infidel to your Imperator, Papist

so what's the difference ?

[Dougie93]

14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well, the most successful civilizations in history have been Christian-dominated. They are the freest and most prosperous

we only became the freest and most prosperous in the wake of the Glorious Revolution of 1688

Anglo-American Scots Irish Protestant Empire of Liberty, founded by William of Orange

prior to that, England was a backwater,  and Bourbonite France was the superpower

Edited March 2, 2024 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I am an infidel to your Imperator, Papist

so what's the difference ?

Well, you and I and Muslim friends can visit the Vatican; you can’t walk around the Kaaba in Mecca, but much more could be said.  Again, I’m not saying Muslims shouldn’t be in Canada and have the same rights as all Canadians, but Islam and Christianity are not the same.  If you’re one, you can’t be the other.

[blackbird]

10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I asked them :  do Muslims oppose Isa ?

What is Isa?

[Dougie93]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

 you can’t walk around the Kaaba in Mecca

no worries, I have no desire to

I worship the Nazarene, not a rock in Saudi Arabia

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’m not saying Muslims shouldn’t be in Canada

I don't believe they should ever have been allowed into Canada to begin with.  They do not fit in with western Judeo-Christian civilization and never will.  The west has been at odds with them for over a thousand years.  They had to be pushed out of France and Spain as they were going to take over centuries ago.  Now they are invited in.  Will the west, particularly liberals, ever learn anything?

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

What is Isa?

Isa is Jesus, in Arabic

the literal translation of the word īsā means " the salvation of God"

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, blackbird said:

They do not fit in with western Judeo-Christian civilization and never will.

but the Muslims do not deny the New Testament

they embrace it

they worship Jesus too

far more than the vast majority of  Westerners now

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

but the Muslims do not deny the New Testament

they embrace it

they worship Jesus too

far more than the vast majority of  Westerners now

They don’t believe Jesus is God.  They believe He is a lesser prophet than Muhammad.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

They don’t believe Jesus is God.  They believe He is a lesser prophet than Muhammad.

which is more than the Jews

the Jews don't even acknowledge Jesus at all

while the Muslims say He is a holy prophet of God

[Dougie93]

7 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

They don’t believe Jesus is God.

so you can live with British Unitarians who say that Jesus was simply a political figure, inspired by God

as opposed to the Muslims, who say Jesus is a divine prophet who will return on Judgment Day ?

[Zeitgeist]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

so you can live with British Unitarians who say that Jesus was simply a political figure, inspired by God

as opposed to the Muslims, who say Jesus is a divine prophet who will return on Judgment Day ?

“Live with”?  I accept that Muslims, Unitarians, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists, and many others live among us and can be good neighbours.  Not having the same beliefs doesn’t mean I have to wish anyone ill will.  In fact, many Muslims (and people with different beliefs) are kind and helpful. My point in this discussion is that Muslims are reproducing themselves and asserting their beliefs more than Christians, which is a problem for Christians, and I believe, ultimately a problem for Canadian culture and values, because what you value about Canada is connected to Christian values and culture.  You appreciate the Scots-Irish Protestant influences more than just about anyone on this site, right?  Well, that important element of Canadian culture is endangered.

Edited March 2, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

17 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 They believe He is a lesser prophet than Muhammad.

ah, but even in Islam, the Nazarene plays His role

the Muslims do not say that Muhammad returns to Damascus at the end times to judge all souls

only Jesus does that, even in the Koran

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 You appreciate the Scots-Irish Protestant influences more than just about anyone on this site, right?  Well, that important element of Canadian culture is endangered.

it's not endangered

it's long gone

my nation is no more

even the United Kingdom is falling to the Communists

so what matters Ulster anymore ?

thus I am left only with my fiery Protestant faith

in that this is a direct relationship between me and a supernatural God

the Nazarene is with me

no man nor office between us, to include Canada

[Zeitgeist]

11 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

ah, but even in Islam, the Nazarene plays His role

the Muslims do not say that Muhammad returns to Damascus at the end times to judge all souls

only Jesus does that, even in the Koran

Well you seem to be selling Islam.  I see some essential common values in all of the major religions.  The compelling aspects of Islam to me are its fervour and total submission to God, which can be very compelling, especially for people who feel lost.  It’s the fastest growing religion.  I just think that the messages of the New Testament are more compelling.  Both the Jews and Muslims avoid depictions of God because of the belief that God is ineffable, which is also compelling to me. Christian mystic Meister Echart said radical things like, you have to destroy god to get to God.  What he meant was, our concept of the Devine is limited.  I do believe we are somewhat in the dark, hopefully seeking the light.  

Edited March 2, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[Zeitgeist]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

it's not endangered

it's long gone

my nation is no more

even the United Kingdom is falling to the Communists

so what matters Ulster anymore ?

thus I am left only with my fiery Protestant faith

in that this is a direct relationship between me and a supernatural God

the Nazarene is with me

no man nor office between us, to include Canada

But there are consequences for not defending Christianity in Canada, such as the next generation growing up as woke lunatic cultural Marxists, or at the other end of the political spectrum, Islamo-fascists supporting the suppression of women and “infidels”.

Edited March 2, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well you seem to be selling Islam.

not sure how you came to that conclusion

since I don't believe in Muhammad at all

I simply point out that the Muslims actually embrace the New Testament in every respect except one

as opposed to the Jews, and the godless atheist Communists who rule here

the Jews denying the New Testament

while the Communists seek to kill us all as Kulaks

hence, if I have to choose between, why would I condemn the Muslims whom are the closest to my faith ?

love thine enemies,  Isa commands, but are the Muslims really my worst enemies ?

perhaps they are my allies in the end

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

But there are consequences for not defending Christianity in Canada, such as the next generation growing up as woke lunatic cultural Marxists, or at the other end of the political spectrum, Islamo-fascists supporting the suppression of women and “infidels”.

perhaps that is the righteous wrath of an Old Testament God upon the wicked

perhaps the women deserve it

perhaps the Islamo-Fascists are simply the Flood from Genesis

the God of the Hebrews is a vengeful Lord after all