Should nato implement new rules ?

[western]

Should nato implement new rules such as

1 voting power is based on last 2 year’s actual defence spending (not %) on nato ?
2 referendum goes ahead if it passes 60% of the vote ?
If not USA can threaten to leave.
I am sure no european country will leave nato because they want USA’s protection.

Who wants to protect Europe when german defence spending is below 2%, germans have not given taurus missiles to Ukraine, turkey/hungary played up when Sweden and finland wanted to join, macron is overly friendly with the enemy china etc ?

UK is the only real ally of USA in nato.  

Edited February 19, 2024 by western

[CdnFox]

I'm not sure i see those PARTICULAR rule changes as being the right solution, but i do think there should be a penalty to not living up to your commitments as a nato member.

(actually i'm a big fan of consequences for not living up to your commitments period but there's no way we'll make THAT popluar with politcians in general )

[Army Guy]

18 hours ago, western said:

Should nato implement new rules such as

1 voting power is based on last 2 year’s actual defence spending (not %) on nato ?
2 referendum goes ahead if it passes 60% of the vote ?
If not USA can threaten to leave.
I am sure no european country will leave nato because they want USA’s protection.

Who wants to protect Europe when german defence spending is below 2%, germans have not given taurus missiles to Ukraine, turkey/hungary played up when Sweden and finland wanted to join, macron is overly friendly with the enemy china etc ?

UK is the only real ally of USA in nato.  

Trump will figure this out shortly...either pay up or get out....

Germany spends 54 bil euros each year...we spend 26 bil Canadian peso's  at best and count everything we can to boost that number see the difference...they have a military we don't.

US has accused UK of not living up to it's commitments as well, 

Edited February 20, 2024 by Army Guy

[Michael Hardner]

What are you talking about, voting power?

It's a military alliance for defense.

[Michael Hardner]

5% tax hike across the board.

 

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

5% tax hike across the board.

 

Only a liberal would need a 5 percent tax hike to pay for 2 percent spending   LOL

[Caswell Thomas]

20 hours ago, western said:

Should nato implement new rules such as

1 voting power is based on last 2 year’s actual defence spending (not %) on nato ?
2 referendum goes ahead if it passes 60% of the vote ?
If not USA can threaten to leave.
I am sure no european country will leave nato because they want USA’s protection.

Who wants to protect Europe when german defence spending is below 2%, germans have not given taurus missiles to Ukraine, turkey/hungary played up when Sweden and finland wanted to join, macron is overly friendly with the enemy china etc ?

UK is the only real ally of USA in nato.  

Nice try..for an obvious beginner in the online Republican Field of Dreams, Fantasies and Conspiracy lies.  NATO as of this minute is now the strongest force for good and anti aggressive violence on the planet thanks to Trumps, again, pre-emptive blabbing of Vladimir Putin's Plan to take down NATO by dividing its countries by invading their cyberspace, bolstering Russian Agents with funding through shell companies to takeover whatever countries they can, and split America , its greatest enemy apart from its allies by outright fraud, deceptions, lies, conspiracy theories and bribery, threats and select, targeted violence until it can attack us at our weakest point and break us up. In this, by reviving long ago forgotten by the 20th century Deep South resentment and distrust of The Union it was economically forced to rejoin after the Civil War and fanning it into modern violence by a small part of America who, due to their own irresponsibility , let modern life pass them by and who want to blame others for it so they can, they think, get the rich,  full life they blew in their own. 

[Rebound]

On 2/19/2024 at 1:04 AM, western said:

Should nato implement new rules such as

1 voting power is based on last 2 year’s actual defence spending (not %) on nato ?
2 referendum goes ahead if it passes 60% of the vote ?
If not USA can threaten to leave.
I am sure no european country will leave nato because they want USA’s protection.

Who wants to protect Europe when german defence spending is below 2%, germans have not given taurus missiles to Ukraine, turkey/hungary played up when Sweden and finland wanted to join, macron is overly friendly with the enemy china etc ?

UK is the only real ally of USA in nato.  

The NATO Charter does not obligate spending levels. Members made commitments, but the commitments are not required by the NATO Charter. The US has obscenely high military spending, but that money is not solely allocated to the defense of Western Europe by any means.

Edited February 21, 2024 by Rebound

[Deluge]

On 2/19/2024 at 5:19 PM, Michael Hardner said:

What are you talking about, voting power?

It's a military alliance for defense.

Now it's an alliance for wokeness disciples and social justice warriors.

[Yakuda]

On 2/19/2024 at 1:04 AM, western said:

Should nato implement new rules such as

1 voting power is based on last 2 year’s actual defence spending (not %) on nato ?
2 referendum goes ahead if it passes 60% of the vote ?
If not USA can threaten to leave.
I am sure no european country will leave nato because they want USA’s protection.

Who wants to protect Europe when german defence spending is below 2%, germans have not given taurus missiles to Ukraine, turkey/hungary played up when Sweden and finland wanted to join, macron is overly friendly with the enemy china etc ?

UK is the only real ally of USA in nato.  

There only needs to be one rule, pay up or you're out. Simple and easy to remember 

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, Yakuda said:

There only needs to be one rule, pay up or you're out. Simple and easy to remember 

That rule does not exist. 
The rule that does exist: “If one of us is attacked, we all defend him.”  That rule has only been invoked once, when NATO went to Afghanistan in defense of the US after the September 11 attacks. 

[Aristides]

On 2/18/2024 at 10:04 PM, western said:

Should nato implement new rules such as

1 voting power is based on last 2 year’s actual defence spending (not %) on nato ?
2 referendum goes ahead if it passes 60% of the vote ?
If not USA can threaten to leave.
I am sure no european country will leave nato because they want USA’s protection.

Who wants to protect Europe when german defence spending is below 2%, germans have not given taurus missiles to Ukraine, turkey/hungary played up when Sweden and finland wanted to join, macron is overly friendly with the enemy china etc ?

UK is the only real ally of USA in nato.  

Germany is increasing to 2% this year. Most of US defence spending is not because of NATO commitments. For instance, you do not need 10 super carriers to defend Europe.

Edited February 22, 2024 by Aristides

[CdnFox]

30 minutes ago, Rebound said:

That rule does not exist. 
The rule that does exist: “If one of us is attacked, we all defend him.”  That rule has only been invoked once, when NATO went to Afghanistan in defense of the US after the September 11 attacks. 

The rule does actually exist.  That's in the agreement. It's just never been enforced.

[herbie]

The only military value is how much they spend. So says The Donald and all his minions. Over and over until it becomes the truth

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, herbie said:

The only military value is how much they spend. So says The Donald and all his minions. Over and over until it becomes the truth

well... the donald and the nato agreements they all signed.

Oooops - forgot that part didn't you. 

But then again - people on the left don't value their word or commitments so it probably never occurred to you.  So - how's those paris targets coming along?