August1991 Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 Trust me, this interview will be famous. 1. Carlson was clueless. 2. Putin speaks in Russian like Trudeau, Levesque spoke in French. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 Tucker will be the Tokyo Rose of his generation. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted February 9 Author Report Share Posted February 9 (edited) Carlson's questions were so foolish, naive. Putin's way of speaking in Russian remind me of Trudeau Snr. Edited February 9 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted February 10 Author Report Share Posted February 10 We in Canada get along. For many centuries, we Canadians have a system that works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted February 10 Author Report Share Posted February 10 I recently listened to Churchill's Fulton speech. ===== Putin was saying the same. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted February 10 Author Report Share Posted February 10 I was struggling for a way to explain this to foreigners. Vladimir Putin speaks Russian the way René Lévesque spoke French in Québec. It is clear and direct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 15 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Tucker will be the Tokyo Rose of his generation. Mike...did you watch the interview? For someone who likes to think he's reasonable...you're just not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 (edited) I've watched the first hour. I'm not sure what Tucker was going for with his performance, but it was not his finest hour. It's hard to say what went on behind the scenes. Perhaps he was given limiting parameters in which to conduct the interview. I've noticed that the really good liars, or instead maybe the highly intelligent folks, the ones with a formidable intellect lets say. They can lie seamlessly. They can make you believe just about anything if you are not careful. I'm sure we can all pick our favorite politician to hate and agree that some people have turned deceiving the public into a fine art. Putin may well be such a one. From what I've seen of the interview thus far, I simply can't spot it when Putin is lying. It kind of reminds me of Obama. Such a smooth talker, making you feel good about yourself as he pulls the wool over your eyes. I am not armed with a knowledge of Russian history, but I doubt that Putin would be so stupid to tell whoppers that can so easily be proved wrong, so his discourse on his country’s history is probably at least close, eh? Edited February 10 by sharkman Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 (edited) 19 minutes ago, sharkman said: I've watched the first hour. I'm not sure what Tucker was going for with his performance, but it was not his finest hour. It's hard to say what went on behind the scenes. Perhaps he was given limiting parameters in which to conduct the interview. I've noticed that the really good liars, or instead maybe the highly intelligent folks, the ones with a formidable intellect lets say. They can lie seamlessly. They can make you believe just about anything if you are not careful. I'm sure we can all pick our favorite politician to hate and agree that some people have turned deceiving the public into a fine art. Putin may well be such a one. From what I've seen of the interview thus far, I simply can't spot it when Putin is lying. It kind of reminds me of Obama. Such a smooth talker, making you feel good about yourself as he pulls the wool over your eyes. I am not armed with a knowledge of Russian history, but I doubt that Putin would be so stupid to tell whoppers that can so easily be proved wrong, so his discourse on his countries history is probably at least close, eh? Quote If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself. Quote A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth Quote Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident they are acting on their own free will. Quote There was no point in seeking to convert the intellectuals. For intellectuals would never be converted and would anyway always yield to the stronger, and this will always be "the man in the street." Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect. Truth was unimportant and entirely subordinate to tactics and psychology. Joseph Goebbels Even if Putin believes his own lies, they are still lies. Edited February 10 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 55 minutes ago, sharkman said: From what I've seen of the interview thus far, I simply can't spot it when Putin is lying. It kind of reminds me of Obama. Such a smooth talker, making you feel good about yourself as he pulls the wool over your eyes. I am not armed with a knowledge of Russian history, but I doubt that Putin would be so stupid to tell whoppers that can so easily be proved wrong, so his discourse on his country’s history is probably at least close, eh? He did plenty of exactly that. For example, despite the fact that Stalin and Hitler had signed a pact to both invade and then divide Poland between them, Putin absurdly argued that Poland collaborated with Hitler. It makes absolutely no sense, but most folks watching Tucker Carlson wouldn’t know any better and as you say, good liars bullshit eloquently and seamlessly. What was really cringe about it was how Tucker Carlson just sat there nodding his head the whole time like a sycophantic bobblehead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 I fully trust the intentions of Tucker and Trump regarding Russia and Putin. Although, I'm only saying this so I don't get thrown out a window. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athos Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 Putin explained Russian 2000 Year old historical facts in 30 minutes. I just wonder how long Biden can talk about 200 yo US history? 😀 On 2/10/2024 at 11:04 AM, August1991 said: We in Canada get along. For many centuries, we Canadians have a system that works How many centuries? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 On 2/10/2024 at 9:59 AM, Moonbox said: He did plenty of exactly that. For example, despite the fact that Stalin and Hitler had signed a pact to both invade and then divide Poland between them, Putin absurdly argued that Poland collaborated with Hitler. It makes absolutely no sense, but most folks watching Tucker Carlson wouldn’t know any better and as you say, good liars bullshit eloquently and seamlessly. What was really cringe about it was how Tucker Carlson just sat there nodding his head the whole time like a sycophantic bobblehead. Okay, riddle me this. In 1934 Hitler signed a treaty with Poland called the, “German Polish Declaration of Non Aggression Pact”. Didn’t Germany sign the agreement with Stalin later? So Putin would technically not be wrong about that, or, what am I missing? Yes it’s clear that Hitler was not dealing honestly with Poland, too bad that Chamberlain was so easily duped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted February 12 Author Report Share Posted February 12 On 2/10/2024 at 12:59 PM, Moonbox said: ... Stalin and Hitler had signed a pact to both invade and then divide Poland between them, Putin absurdly argued that Poland collaborated with Hitler. It makes absolutely no sense. In the 1990s, Yeltsin put on display in Moscow these maps. Carlson should have called Putin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspektiv Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 On 2/10/2024 at 11:57 AM, sharkman said: From what I've seen of the interview thus far, I simply can't spot it when Putin is lying. He's a well trained ex KGB agent. Lying, reading people and manipulation are likely some of his best assets. It literally looked like fish being fed to a large shark. Tucker was well out of his element, precisely why Putin chose him. Low enough of an IQ that you could use him as an easy springboard to push out your propaganda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted February 12 Author Report Share Posted February 12 48 minutes ago, Perspektiv said: .... Tucker was well out of his element, .... On this, I agree. It is amazing how self-centred you Americans are. This interview was not about America - it was about international affairs, the rest of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 8 hours ago, sharkman said: Okay, riddle me this. In 1934 Hitler signed a treaty with Poland called the, “German Polish Declaration of Non Aggression Pact”. Didn’t Germany sign the agreement with Stalin later? So Putin would technically not be wrong about that, or, what am I missing? Germany signed a non-aggression pact with Poland, which is nothing more than an agreement to not attack each other. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, on the other hand, was a secret pact between Nazi Germany and the USSR to jointly attack Poland and divide it between them. It was the Soviet Union that cooperated and colluded with Hitler, but that history doesn't line up with Putin's exercises in make-believe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspektiv Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 7 hours ago, August1991 said: It is amazing how self-centred you Americans are. Am Canadian :cP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 12 hours ago, Moonbox said: Germany signed a non-aggression pact with Poland, which is nothing more than an agreement to not attack each other. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, on the other hand, was a secret pact between Nazi Germany and the USSR to jointly attack Poland and divide it between them. It was the Soviet Union that cooperated and colluded with Hitler, but that history doesn't line up with Putin's exercises in make-believe. The timeline on this seems to bear out Putin’s version. Stalin signed the pact with Hitler in 1939. Poland signed their pact in 1934. There was a normalization of relations between Poland and Germany after that, and different forms of cooperation. How much of the Putin interview did you take in? Hopefully you are not simply getting this from your Twitter feed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 30 minutes ago, sharkman said: The timeline on this seems to bear out Putin’s version. Stalin signed the pact with Hitler in 1939. Poland signed their pact in 1934. There was a normalization of relations between Poland and Germany after that, and different forms of cooperation. The timeline is irrelevant. Surely you can understand the difference between two countries agreeing not to attack each other (Poland's 1934 agreement with Germany), vs two countries agreeing to attack and divide up another country together (Germany and USSR literally allying with each other to attack Poland). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted February 13 Report Share Posted February 13 On 2/12/2024 at 9:35 AM, sharkman said: The timeline on this seems to bear out Putin’s version. Stalin signed the pact with Hitler in 1939. Poland signed their pact in 1934. There was a normalization of relations between Poland and Germany after that, and different forms of cooperation. How much of the Putin interview did you take in? Hopefully you are not simply getting this from your Twitter feed. The Soviets invaded Poland 16 days after Germany invaded. The pact between Hitler and Stalin was signed in August 23, eight days before Hitler invaded Poland. The timeline indicates Stalin cut a deal with Hitler not to support Poland as long as Hitler was willing to divide Poland between them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted February 14 Author Report Share Posted February 14 On 2/12/2024 at 12:05 AM, Moonbox said: ... The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, on the other hand, was a secret pact between Nazi Germany and the USSR to jointly attack Poland and divide it between them. ... In Canada, the war started in 1939. For Americans and Russians, it started in 1941. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 14 Report Share Posted February 14 1 hour ago, August1991 said: For Americans and Russians, it started in 1941. The USSR invaded Poland in 1939. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted February 14 Author Report Share Posted February 14 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Moonbox said: The USSR invaded Poland in 1939. For Russians, the Great Patriotic War started in June 1941. For Americans, December 1941. In the UK, it was 1939. Frankly, i have no desire to look at these years/dates as significant. To me, the 30 years between 1914 and 1945 were a catastrophe. Versailles, 1919? Irrelevant - part of the folly of these years. IMHO, a civilised world collapsed in 1914. Why? How? Edited February 14 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted February 14 Report Share Posted February 14 7 hours ago, Moonbox said: The USSR invaded Poland in 1939. And that has to do with current events...how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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