Canada’s fertility rate has hit its lowest level in recorded history

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

Housing prices.. the bain of most people's lives. Some want high home prices so that their home has high resale value. Some want high home prices because it is more lucrative for their 1038 exchange so as to avoid capital gains taxes. Then there is good old supply and demand.. some places are just expensive due to high demand and low supply. Examples are San Francisco, Monterey CA, San Diego, San Juan Islands WA, etc. 

Well it's vastly worse in canada right now.  One bedroom places in some of our cities are going for 700 grand or more. IT's becoming common for people with an average canadian wage to pay 40 percent or more of their income for housing - anything over 30 is considered to be fiscally distressed.

 

 

[Zeitgeist]

Few people want to hear it, but these are key reasons why we have such low birth rates:

abortion

birth control

porn

feminism

promotion/normalization of same sex relationships

high levels of estrogen, atrazine, and other chemicals in the water, lowering fertility 

high cost of living

urbanization

gender ideology

 

Edited February 2, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[Aristides]

7 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Lower housing costs would be a start. Same as better economic opportunities.

My partner and I are in our late 20s and would love to have children, but we simply can't afford it right now. We're many in our friends circle who have the same issue.

Many of us don't want to raise a family in a chicken hen. We want either a house or somewhere spacious, because we're not rats.

So having kids isn't that high on your priority list and that's OK. It's not something you can put off forever.

[impartialobserver]

33 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well it's vastly worse in canada right now.  One bedroom places in some of our cities are going for 700 grand or more. IT's becoming common for people with an average canadian wage to pay 40 percent or more of their income for housing - anything over 30 is considered to be fiscally distressed.

 

 

It would be interesting to see how it breaks down by province. In the states, the two states that have the lowest birth rate are vermont and rhode island. 

[Black Dog]

7 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Lower housing costs would be a start. Same as better economic opportunities.

My partner and I are in our late 20s and would love to have children, but we simply can't afford it right now. We're many in our friends circle who have the same issue.

Many of us don't want to raise a family in a chicken hen. We want either a house or somewhere spacious, because we're not rats.

Blessing in disguise here.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Yes, changes to banking coupled with increasingly favorable tax codes had the effect of making the wealthiest classes obscenely wealthier.

Oh and there was also the degradation of the value of work when the same suspects skimmed a couple 100 trillion dollars of capital gains off the top of our planet's economy instead of sharing them the way they did following the period between WW2 and the 60's that you mentioned.

Don't get me started on the natural capital that's been squandered alongside the social and human capital that's also been laid waste.

 

Yeah - none of that.  But if it makes you feel better to pretend then sure

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You don't have a clue what I'm talking about do you?

Of course not - i don't do mushrooms.

[CdnFox]

43 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

It would be interesting to see how it breaks down by province. In the states, the two states that have the lowest birth rate are vermont and rhode island. 

Here's an interactive map with many interesting fertility factors and you can select it for each province to compare.  I don't know that you can see all at once tho. Some very interesting trends tho

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/71-607-x/71-607-x2022003-eng.htm

[eyeball]

54 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Of course not - i don't do mushrooms.

You might want to consider doing so.

Psychedelic spurs growth of neural connections lost in depression

A single dose of psilocybin, the active compound in “magic mushrooms,” given to mice prompted a long-lasting increase in the connections between neurons.

Here's a googly page filled with scholarly papers on research. I bet there's even a risk vs benefits study in here somewhere.

https://scholar.google.ca/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_vis=1&q=psilocybin+research&btnG=

You're welcome.

[Dougie93]

3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Few people want to hear it, but these are key reasons why we have such low birth rates:

for me it was quite simple

many decades ago, I foresaw the collapse of civilization that we are in the throes of now

thus I simply refused to raise any children to be servants to this abomination

thankfully I found a wife of similar mind, which was love at first from across a room

24 years happily married, raising Black Labs rather than children

a gift from the Nazarene, despite my sins

loving & merciful God

[impartialobserver]

To each their own but I chose to have 2 kids in this modern era. Maybe too selfish for my own good but just because the world is not perfect.. would not stop me from doing this. Has it been worth it? absolutely. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

You might want to consider doing so.

Ugh - the thought of being on the same mental wavelength as you is enough to keep an entire generation of kids clean and in school

[Zeitgeist]

14 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

for me it was quite simple

many decades ago, I foresaw the collapse of civilization that we are in the throes of now

thus I simply refused to raise any children to be servants to this abomination

thankfully I found a wife of similar mind, which was love at first from across a room

24 years happily married, raising Black Labs rather than children

a gift from the Nazarene, despite my sins

loving & merciful God

Well for sure the choice to have kids is a personal one that isn’t a matter of right or wrong.  I have heard friends say that they didn’t want to bring kids into the world the way it is today, which I think is sad.  I’m a big believer that the most successful societies are the ones that provide the most opportunities.

For example, it should be possible for a couple to buy a low maintenance condo but also a detached house in the city or country.  It should be affordable enough for that couple to have kids if they want them.  We’ve created a society where it’s very expensive to have kids and much more expensive for one parent to stay home with them.

We got it right on maternity leave E.I. benefits in Canada. It’s great to have a year at home with your baby while receiving an income.  Unfortunately you need a high income to raise a family today, and educated city dwellers tend to be the ones getting those high paying jobs.  City dwellers have smaller homes that take more income. They also tend to have modern values and dual incomes. It means that we must rely on immigration to keep our numbers up, which is no longer the fun it used to be.  We already have the restaurants and cultures from around the world, but our once smaller enclaves of foreign language speakers are now large enough that one doesn’t have to step outside them very much and integrate into wider society, creating new social tensions and lack of identification with Canada.

Also the elements of modern life have been embraced by those born and raised here: abortion, birth control, same sex parings, feminism, urban lifestyles, etc.   All of these factors basically add up to Canadians having fewer kids, especially Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, and atheists.  Muslims and Indigenous are still having big families, which is why their traditions will be preserved.

Edited February 3, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[I am Groot]

On 2/2/2024 at 4:05 AM, Moonlight Graham said:

If only there was a way for the government to increase the population while ensuring the non-urban population that doesn't vote for their party will consistently decline in numbers every single year.

If only there was a way to reduce global GHG emissions without needing to tax people or invest in expensive new tech etc.  Hmm...

If only there was a way to make the cost of living so unaffordable that Canadians didn't feel they could afford having kids.

If only there was a way to make old baby boomers die earlier.

If only there was a way to encourage Canadians to kill themselves.

Someone needs a hug.

22 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Why is it important that the babies are white?   Are my Chinese-coloured Canadian friends less Canadian than white people?

Perhaps. Are they born and raised here with Canadian values and cultural beliefs? 

[I am Groot]

A long time ago I read a paper that suggested there was a strong inverse correlation between immigration and birthrates. Basically, the more crowded your local area is the less likely you are to have kids, and the few of them you have. Now that might be related to the fact the more crowded your area is the less pleasant and more expensive it is. And certainly, that's the case here.

Aside from the details of government rule changes and technology, Canada was certainly a more pleasant place to live in 1967, at the Centenary, than it is now. The population then was half what it is now. Even then, though, the birth rate had been declining for years, most likely due to the pill and feminism pushing women out into the workforce. 

But note that there were precious few family supports then for women going off to work and still having babies and raising families. And even fewer for staying home with the kids. 

In any event, people need to have a secure relationship and secure finances to start a family and for many, that doesn't come until nearly middle age, which is why few families have more than one to two children. Richer people - and poorer, due to welfare - tend to have more kids. I suggest that's due largely to not having to worry about paying for them.

[Zeitgeist]

23 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Someone needs a hug.

Perhaps. Are they born and raised here with Canadian values and cultural beliefs? 

I know what you’re saying, but I don’t know that there’s any longer a clear, agreed upon frame of reference for Canadian values.  It used to be primarily liberal-democratic and based on Judeo-Christian values and the family unit mainly with a married husband and wife, with a free market and modestly sized government.  Now Canada’s government is a creepy overbearing gender ideology and feminist nanny state that actively deposes the values previously described, labeling them patriarchal, settler colonial, and racist.  We must rid Canada of these radical left cultural revolutionaries, who are making us totally reliant on immigration and government while destroying traditional Canadian values.  Immigration should be moderate and highly selective.  Traditional Canadian values should be elevated. I also think we need to start thinking about a right-sized Canada with a relatively stable population without endless rapid expansion, as our infrastructure and society can’t handle the surge of people. Who is high immigration serving? Not Canadians. Young Canadians can’t afford to buy homes, let alone raise kids.

Edited February 3, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[I am Groot]

18 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I know what you’re saying, but I don’t know that there’s any longer a clear, agreed upon frame of reference for Canadian values.  It used to be primarily liberal-democratic and based on Judeo-Christian values and the family unit mainly with a married husband and wife, with a free market and modestly sized government.  

That will do.

18 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Now Canada’s government is a creepy overbearing gender ideology and feminist nanny state that actively deposes the values previously described, labeling them patriarchal, settler colonial, and racist.

These are mostly American imports

18 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 We must rid Canada of these radical left cultural revolutionaries, who are making us totally reliant on immigration and government while destroying traditional Canadian values

That would involve getting control of the ideological tilt in education. And so far no government, including purportedly conservative ones, has shown much interest in doing so.

18 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 Immigration should be moderate and highly selective.  Traditional Canadian values should be elevated. I also think we need to start thinking about a right-sized Canada with a relatively stable population without endless rapid expansion, as our infrastructure and society can’t handle the surge of people. Who is high immigration serving? Not Canadians. Young Canadians can’t afford to buy homes, let alone raise kids.

Nothing to disagree with there. But it won't happen until we get a conservative government that is determined to act conservatively, and to control the bureaucracy and tame the oligopolies pushing for constantly higher immigration.

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well for sure the choice to have kids is a personal one that isn’t a matter of right or wrong. 

the Nazarene dd not come like a stranger in the night, until I was middle aged man

I was raised in the Woke Communist milieu in the 70s & 80's

and I come from a broken home therein

so I never aspired to be a parent

as I say, I could see the far left extremist cultural revolution coming, during its nascent stage

under the shadow of 1983, the most dangerous year in history, at the brink of the Third World War

thus I've been preparing for a breach on the Trace in Europe

for my entire life

ideological soldier

I ask God to forgive me

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the Nazarene dd not come like a stranger in the night, until I was middle aged man

I was raised in the Woke Communist milieu in the 70s & 80's

and I come from a broken home therein

so I never aspired to be a parent

as I say, I could see the far left extremist cultural revolution coming, during its nascent stage

under the shadow of 1983, the most dangerous year in history, at the brink of the Third World War

thus I've been preparing for a breach on the Trace in Europe

for my entire life

ideological soldier

I ask God to forgive me

Btw I enjoyed your commentary in the Defence thread. Still want that aircraft carrier.  

Edited February 3, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Btw I enjoyed your commentary in the Defence thread. Still want that aircraft carrier.  

I enjoy all of your posts

you are a great inspiration to me

in His ministry together

Cuidich 'n Righ

[NAME REMOVED]

On 2/1/2024 at 7:46 PM, CdnFox said:

https://globalnews.ca/news/10262331/canadas-fertility-rate-record-low/

The Canadian fertility rate has hit its lowest level since Statistics Canada began collecting data more than a century ago.

The agency released its most recent numbers Wednesday, showing the birth rate fell to 1.33 children per woman in 2022, well below the replacement level of around 2.1.

Canada’s birth rate dropped from 1.43 in 2021 and continues a “downward trend [that] began in 2009.”

This is a national trajectory with record lows in nearly every province and territories. Quebec and Nova Scotia were the exceptions, says Statistics Canada.

 

Ban birth control?

 

We have to be proactive about this.

 

Open adult theatres in every city

make street prostitution legal

encourage teens to have unprotected sex

open more swingers clubs

have pornography billboards

give more money to couples to have unprotected sex

 

[GroundskeeperWillie]

On 2/1/2024 at 6:17 PM, Michael Hardner said:

If only there were a way to increase the population without forcing women to give birth... 

This is the commie dream.  Make Canada more and more brown.

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, GroundskeeperWillie said:

This is the commie dream.  Make Canada more and more brown.

As opposed to the National dream where Canada dies out...

[GroundskeeperWillie]

19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

 IT's becoming common for people with an average canadian wage to pay 40 percent or more of their income for housing - anything over 30 is considered to be fiscally distressed.

What's worse is that the government knows this, however it doesn't care.  It just keeps letting in more and more immigrants.

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

As opposed to the National dream where Canada dies out...

Nope.

 

How about we encourage real Canadians to have more babies?  The country won't die out, and won't turn brown, either.  But I know you hate this.

Edited February 3, 2024 by GroundskeeperWillie

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

 I’m a big believer that the most successful societies are the ones that provide the most opportunities.

from when I was just a boy in short pants

all I ever wanted to be was a soldier of the Crown

just like my grandfather & great grandfather before me

to serve HM Queen Elizabeth II

in defence of British North America, and the free world beyond

I was steeped in the historical lineage of the 48th Highlanders of Canada, by my father

so from enlistment at 17 through my 20's, all that mattered to me, was Regiment, Colours & Colonel-in-Chief

the brothers to the left & right of me in the ranks, my regimental family

I would go from one tasking to the next, soldiering in the field & garrison

then we would party at the clubs, one girlfriend after the next, military bachelors

until I saw my wife to be from across the room at McVeigh's New Windsor House Tavern in Toronto

on St. Patrick's Day, 17 March 2000

which was love at first sight

divine intervention

 

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, GroundskeeperWillie said:

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How about we encourage real Canadians to have more babies?  The country won't die out, and won't turn brown, either.  But I know you hate this.

No, I'm pragmatic. The fact is that governments around the world have been trying this and none of them have been successful. Not even China.