phoenyx75 Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 8 hours ago, cannuck said: I have a little trouble with the situation in Ukraine. When I was last there (;90s) hardly anyone East from Kiev even spoke Ukrainian - due to the fact that the Crimea was part of Mother Russia until Kruschev gave it to Ukraine (to lock them forever together - so he thought). Part of the heavy Russian presence in the East was historically slavic and part was due to USSR shipping in people. As much as I detest the Joe Stalin wannabe in Moscow there is SOME rationale for Russia's interests. I think that Putin was pretty clear as to why Russia intervened in Russia in February 24, 2022. Putin's speech on the day of his intervention brings up 2 points- the deplorable condition of the Donbass region in Ukraine and the national security of Russia. He actually brings both issues back to back. Quoting from it: ** This brings me to the situation in Donbass. We can see that the forces that staged the coup in Ukraine in 2014 have seized power, are keeping it with the help of ornamental election procedures and have abandoned the path of a peaceful conflict settlement. For eight years, for eight endless years we have been doing everything possible to settle the situation by peaceful political means. Everything was in vain. As I said in my previous address, you cannot look without compassion at what is happening there. It became impossible to tolerate it. We had to stop that atrocity, that genocide of the millions of people who live there and who pinned their hopes on Russia, on all of us. It is their aspirations, the feelings and pain of these people that were the main motivating force behind our decision to recognise the independence of the Donbass people’s republics. I would like to additionally emphasise the following. Focused on their own goals, the leading NATO countries are supporting the far-right nationalists and neo-Nazis in Ukraine, those who will never forgive the people of Crimea and Sevastopol for freely making a choice to reunite with Russia. They will undoubtedly try to bring war to Crimea just as they have done in Donbass, to kill innocent people just as members of the punitive units of Ukrainian nationalists and Hitler’s accomplices did during the Great Patriotic War. They have also openly laid claim to several other Russian regions. If we look at the sequence of events and the incoming reports, the showdown between Russia and these forces cannot be avoided. It is only a matter of time. They are getting ready and waiting for the right moment. Moreover, they went as far as aspire to acquire nuclear weapons. We will not let this happen. ** Full transcript: https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/transcript-vladimir-putin-s-televised-address-on-ukraine-1.1728035 For those who were watching, Zelensky did in fact state that he was thinking about getting nuclear weapons prior to Russia's military intervention. Here's an article from 2021 that points this out: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/16/ukraine-may-seek-nuclear-weapons-if-left-out-of-nato-diplomat I previously found an article wherein Putin commented on this stance of Ukraine just a bit before his intervention in Ukraine as well. That being said, based on what I read from former Swiss Intelligence officer Jacques Baud, this wasn't the last straw that got Putin to decide to intervene in Ukraine- the last straw was Ukraine's renewed military assault on the Donbass region. Here's Jacques Baud's article that brings that up: https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted July 10 Author Report Share Posted July 10 Bump. This NATO meeting in Washington DC is a perfect occasion to do as his mother did. And his father. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted July 13 Report Share Posted July 13 On 7/10/2024 at 12:05 PM, August1991 said: Bump. This NATO meeting in Washington DC is a perfect occasion to do as his mother did. And his father. Have an affair with castro... DId his father have an affair with castro as well....This family has a lot of skeletons in the closet... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted July 18 Author Report Share Posted July 18 On 7/13/2024 at 10:38 AM, Army Guy said: Have an affair with castro... DId his father have an affair with castro as well....This family has a lot of skeletons in the closet... In Dec 1968, in anticipation of the collapse of Bretton Woods, Trudeau Snr let the Canadian dollar float. Note that this was after Nixon's election in Nov 1968 but before the changes of Aug 1971. https://www.bankofcanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/1962-70.pdf **** Stanley Kubrick famously said, I paraphrase: World politics is all about gangsters and prostitutes. I disagree. Ordinary people live better when they can freely trade and travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted July 19 Report Share Posted July 19 Conscription in Canada? Someone loves picking at scabs don't they? There is zero need for useless, poorly trained cannon fodder now or in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 On 7/18/2024 at 10:49 PM, herbie said: Conscription in Canada? Someone loves picking at scabs don't they? There is zero need for useless, poorly trained cannon fodder now or in the near future. Sorry Herbie, They normally don't take in liberals, nor lefties....they are looking at men and women that are patriotic, have a sense of duty and honor, and are some what fit....not normally found in the left....Oh the left is trying it hardest to dilute the military with all these new found leftist beliefs...but once PP gets in all that chicken sh1t is going to stop.... But hey when they run out of real men and women , you lefties might have a chance to don a uniform and march around the parade square take some pictures and call it a day.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 Oh yes, pomp and circumstance and all that's most important. King & country, glory etc. etc. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 (edited) On 8/17/2024 at 12:05 AM, herbie said: Oh yes, pomp and circumstance and all that's most important. King & country, glory etc. etc. etc. I was actually thinking about everything it takes to preserving life, liberty, and all your rights we enjoy today...That's where the left (you) and the rest of Canada differ, King and country are of the utmost importance, worthy of defending with your life if necessary...today the left have done everything in it's power to dismantle everything that made this country great....I am hoping that once the conservatives take power things will return back to normal. Don't worry i'm sure the left will get back their tampon donations soon enough. Edited August 18 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted August 19 Author Report Share Posted August 19 On 8/16/2024 at 9:13 PM, Army Guy said: Sorry Herbie, They normally don't take in liberals, nor lefties....they are looking at men and women that are patriotic... AG, define "patriotic". The US has the boutique, costly weapon systems. ==== To me, NATO was a means to defeat the Soviet Union. As Reagan famously said, "We win. You lose." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 13 hours ago, August1991 said: AG, define "patriotic". The US has the boutique, costly weapon systems. ==== To me, NATO was a means to defeat the Soviet Union. As Reagan famously said, "We win. You lose." NATO has changed with the times and now is involved more globally, not sure why that bothers you so much.. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted August 22 Author Report Share Posted August 22 On 8/19/2024 at 5:38 PM, Army Guy said: NATO has changed with the times and now is involved more globally, not sure why that bothers you so much.. True, sadly. NATO (like SEATO) was designed to confront the Communists. Now, NATO - in the 2020s - is "involved more globally". Why does it bother me? AG, imagine a world where Trump or Harris decide everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted August 22 Author Report Share Posted August 22 On this, I tend to agree with Mearscheimer. NATO is an aggressive organisation. ===== In 1815, Europeans created a century of peace for ordinary people. In summer 1914, this peace collapsed. In the late 1940s, we established another peace. This peace/arrangement collapsed in the 1980s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted August 24 Author Report Share Posted August 24 Bump. I feel very strongly about this. In these 2020s, we have the chance to create a century of peace for ordinary people ==== Let us be as the Europeans in 1815, or 1945. Establish a structure of peace: counterweights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted August 31 Author Report Share Posted August 31 Jake Sullivan recently visited Xi. I saw the translated texts I entirely agree with Xi. Sullivan is naive, wrong. ===== We Canadians must leave NATO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 11 hours ago, August1991 said: We Canadians must leave NATO. that would require Canada to become a Neutral which in turn would require Canada to spend vast sums on national defence and plausibly require conscription there's no realistic prospect of the Canadian population accepting that but moreover, it would simply result in Finlandization wherein, in the event of war, America would have to occupy Canada as strategic territory so its not even worth the effort, even if it was something Canadians would embrace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 On 8/21/2024 at 11:00 PM, August1991 said: On this, I tend to agree with Mearscheimer. NATO is an aggressive organisation. ===== but Mearscheimer would of course say that NATO is in Canada's interests NATO after all was a British - Canadian invention which London & Ottawa then slyly convinced America to accept during a Second Red Scare it's Winston Churchill himself who invokes the Scare at Fulton Missouri, 5 March 1946 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 On 8/23/2024 at 8:57 PM, August1991 said: Bump. I feel very strongly about this. but the vast majority of the Canadian population feels strongly in the opposing direction not only do Canadians not want to have to defend themselves instead of being defended by America Canadians are actually far more interventionist than Americans are take for example Yugoslavia Canada is first in with boots on the ground once Canada & Co get themselves in over their heads America is forced to come to the rescue with overwhelming military force Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 On 8/19/2024 at 5:38 PM, Army Guy said: NATO has changed with the times and now is involved more globally, technically the North Atlantic Security Zone always extended from the Trace in Europe to the Western Pacific in that, if the PLA attacks Andersen AFB on Guam, that would have always invoked NATO Article V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 On 8/19/2024 at 5:38 PM, Army Guy said: NATO has changed with the times and now is involved more globally, not sure why that bothers you so much.. NATO "changed" to justify their paychecks. What good has NATO done since the end of their mandate? None. It's a fcking money pit and I'm tired of my tax money funding it. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 4 minutes ago, Nationalist said: It's a fcking money pit and I'm tired of my tax money funding it. Seems like a good deal to have the US aligned with us on keeping Russia at bay. Your tax money pays for a fraction of the coverage. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 57 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Seems like a good deal to have the US aligned with us on keeping Russia at bay. Your tax money pays for a fraction of the coverage. A good deal? Do you figure the US is not aligned with Canada regardless? And when was the last time Russia threatened Canada? Get a grip Mike. NATO is nothing more than a scam now. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 6 minutes ago, Nationalist said: A good deal? Do you figure the US is not aligned with Canada regardless? And when was the last time Russia threatened Canada? Get a grip Mike. NATO is nothing more than a scam now. Get a grip ? If you had a good argue, you wouldn't have to imply that my point isn't even arguable. And, yes, Russia is a threat to it's neighbours if you haven't read the news lately. And you never got back to me on the Ivermectin thread. Probably for the better... Back to ignore then.... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: A good deal? Do you figure the US is not aligned with Canada regardless? And when was the last time Russia threatened Canada? Get a grip Mike. NATO is nothing more than a scam now. Russia is full scale invading Ukraine right now, but yeah, sure, NATO is just a scam. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Get a grip ? If you had a good argue, you wouldn't have to imply that my point isn't even arguable. And, yes, Russia is a threat to it's neighbours if you haven't read the news lately. And you never got back to me on the Ivermectin thread. Probably for the better... Back to ignore then.... It's not a threat to Canada.! I forgot about the ivermectin thing...I'll check. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 36 minutes ago, User said: Russia is full scale invading Ukraine right now, but yeah, sure, NATO is just a scam. And Ukraine is a NATO member? Oh wait...it was rejected. Oh well... Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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